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Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 So I completed the Surkesh mission with Nemain and as in Mass Effect 2, I still feel conflicted with how the Krogan/Genophage issue plays out. Regardless of what character I use I do not like being solely responsible for deciding on whether the Genophage should be cured. When I finally do give in and vouch for the Krogan's salvation, I end up feeling as though I do this only for gameplay purposes; roleplaying has no influence in this decision. Does anyone else feel this way sometimes? That they have a hard time deciding something strickly on role playing factors?

I felt that way when it came to rewriting or destroying the heretics. I was irritated with the "consensus" for making me the deciding vote. As for Sur'Kesh, I found it exhilarating on my first playthrough because it looked like I was going to have to pick between two races. I didn't know if I would need Salarians more for their expertise on the crucible or what. I didn't want to lose the krogans as ground forces either though. (Ah, how little I understood how war assets actually worked.) It really forced me to decide who Shepard would side with when push came to shove.

Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

If your Shepards were faced with a choice between keeping their LI with them or asking them to contribute  elsewhere which might be safer, what would they do? What about if it was a choice between preventing harm from coming to their LI or giving up/gaining a serious advantage against the Reapers?

The way I saw that situation, Kaidan was his own man. He knew the risks. He walked away at Horizon in ME2, but this time, without a guarantee of continuing the romance, he wanted to join up and contribute. If he wanted to come aboard, all right then, he knew the score. It wasn't like he was a space hamster I had to protect. I definitely saw the value of leaving him behind to deal with his biotic students, but that was something he could have decided on his own. His first choice was to join up with Normandy. The only time I'd leave Kaidan behind would be the final battle and I actually considered that. I had wondered if Bioware would kill off the two squaddies and decided nah, they wouldn't. (And then I see the deleted video of Garrus and Liara perishing in the beam while Shepard watched on horrified -- was sooo irritated that even got considered, much less produced.) Little did I know! =p

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Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

If your Shepards were faced with a choice between keeping their LI with them or asking them to contribute elsewhere which might be safer, what would they do? What about if it was a choice between preventing harm from coming to their LI or giving up/gaining a serious advantage against the Reapers?


Sarah will always put personal feelings aside when the galaxy is at stake but i kind of had to do this decision ingame with Kaidan. It was his personal wish to come back to the Normandy if Sarah felt that she could trust him again, otherwise he would take the position that Hackett had ready for him. She accepted his wish to come back and believed that her mission need the best and emotions aside she believe that Kaidan is the best damn human biotic out there in addition to him being a Spectre. With the galaxy falling apart it's just as likely that Kaidan will die on the Normandy as with Hackett in the end. Also they complement eachother and being with the people you care about will keep you sane and with the war.. sanity is getting rare

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Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 So I completed the Surkesh mission with Nemain and as in Mass Effect 2, I still feel conflicted with how the Krogan/Genophage issue plays out. Regardless of what character I use I do not like being solely responsible for deciding on whether the Genophage should be cured. When I finally do give in and vouch for the Krogan's salvation, I end up feeling as though I do this only for gameplay purposes; roleplaying has no influence in this decision. Does anyone else feel this way sometimes? That they have a hard time deciding something strickly on role playing factors?


It was a heavy choice for me as well. The entire issue has always been presented without a clear "good" or "bad" side and that made any decision regarding the genophage. I remember just thinking for a good long while about whether or not to reveal the Salarian offer to Wrex and Eve. But for me what it all came down to was the bond between Shepard and Wrex. In the end she just could not do that to Wrex. He is one of her closest friends and the idea of betraying him was just impossible for her to comprehend. It turned out alright in the end but even if it hadn't, I would still pick Wrex every time.

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Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

If your Shepards were faced with a choice between keeping their LI with them or asking them to contribute elsewhere which might be safer, what would they do? What about if it was a choice between preventing harm from coming to their LI or giving up/gaining a serious advantage against the Reapers?


I was hoping Liara would remain on the SB ship, since both the identity of the Shadow Broker and the location of the ship had managed to remain undetected for this long, it seemed like one of the safest places she could be.  Then we run into her on Mars and it seems like everybody and their father knows that she's the Shadow Broker...  Thanks, honey!  I've spent the last 6 months keeping your secret and threatening anyone who even pretended to know, but go ahead and tell Alliance high command who you are and what you do...

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nranola wrote...

What happens when you try to initiate a romance with her? Does she express any interest whatsoever? Do you get the Paramour achievement? You don't get a sexytiem scene with her, I know that much.


You can see what happens here.

And no, it doesn't get you paramour achievement.

I'll be in my corner. :crying:

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RainyDayLover wrote...

nranola wrote...

*snip*



Wow, that smile. It's so heart-wrenching to see her happy like that...knowing what awaits her in the end...

It is, it really is. :(

I want to believe that it's not over for Shepard - she does get that gasp of breath in the end so there's hope, I guess? We'll know (or we won't) soon enough with BioWare's supposed announcement at PAX. Crossing my fingers.


Gilsa wrote...

It wasn't like he was a space hamster I had to protect.

This. I love the analogy. xD

Kaidan can protect himself. So it's mostly whether you want him on your ship or not, and if you think he can serve better in the Normandy or elsewhere.

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AshiraShepard wrote...

nranola wrote...

What happens when you try to initiate a romance with her? Does she express any interest whatsoever? Do you get the Paramour achievement? You don't get a sexytiem scene with her, I know that much.


You can see what happens here.

And no, it doesn't get you paramour achievement.

I'll be in my corner. :crying:

LOL at casual sex option! But that's... yeah. Sorry Ashira. :( It does make more sense for Samara to not pursue a relationship with anyone imo. More in-character for her.

Is that your Shepard, by the way? She's gorgeous!

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I liked Sur-Kesh decision. It produced a real dilemma for my Shep.

She found the Dalatress's offer very attractive in military terms, despite her natural desire to right the wrong of the genophage. She kept the sabotage to herself on the trip there, partly because she didn't want to give the Krogan another reason to hate the Salarians, but also because she wanted her options open. Then Wrex wouldn't shup up about his plans for an empire which freaked her out a bit. Ultimately, she allowed Mordin to convince her to cure the genophage, but with no confidence that it was the right choice, or whether she just lacked the necessary moral courage.

Given how close she came to betraying the Krogan, their gratitude made her feel like a total fraud.


   That makes for good characterization. Do you find that your Shepard has made a lot of morally good decisions for practical reasons only?


Gilsa wrote...

I felt that way when it came to rewriting or destroying the heretics. I
was irritated with the "consensus" for making me the deciding vote.
As
for Sur'Kesh, I found it exhilarating on my first playthrough because it
looked like I was going to have to pick between two races. I didn't
know if I would need Salarians more for their expertise on the crucible
or what. I didn't want to lose the krogans as ground forces either
though. (Ah, how little I understood how war assets actually worked.) It
really forced me to decide who Shepard would side with when push came
to shove.


 That irritated me a little too, although I don't know how much differently that sceneraio could have been reworked. It does play into the theme of choice in this series, only the choices that Shepard has sometimes seem too grand for her character. Shepard not only has to fight; she has to become this master diplomat too. I played through ME3 twice by now and I can't even recall if letting the Heretics be rewritten had any real effect on the mission on Rannoch. If someone can, please remind me.

  Sharkboy421 wrote...


It was a heavy choice for me as well. The entire issue has always
been presented without a clear "good" or "bad" side and that made any
decision regarding the genophage. I remember just thinking for a good
long while about whether or not to reveal the Salarian offer to Wrex and
Eve. But for me what it all came down to was the bond between Shepard
and Wrex. In the end she just could not do that to Wrex. He is one of
her closest friends and the idea of betraying him was just impossible
for her to comprehend. It turned out alright in the end but even if it
hadn't, I would still pick Wrex every time.


 Interesting that it takes one friend of a species to allow you to put a "face" on the rest of that species. It's another way to justify making the decision to cure the Genophage, even if it does feel a little too personal and a tad selfish because of this.

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nranola wrote...
It is, it really is. :(

I want to believe that it's not over for Shepard - she does get that gasp of breath in the end so there's hope, I guess? We'll know (or we won't) soon enough with BioWare's supposed announcement at PAX. Crossing my fingers.


Well, if this is to be believed http://social.biowar...ndex/10935247/1

It's pretty much over for Shepard....they'll just be expanding upon the current ending in order to provide closure. I didn't really have any expectations to begin with, I think I should just move on (if that's possible)

Here's to you, femshep
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That agony is your triumph!



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nranola wrote...

LOL at casual sex option! But that's... yeah. Sorry Ashira. :( It does make more sense for Samara to not pursue a relationship with anyone imo. More in-character for her.

Is that your Shepard, by the way? She's gorgeous!


Yeah...her line "I believe I could find more than happiness with you..." does not help. :crying:

And unfortunately no. My Shepard isn't as eh...conventionally attractive. 

The only difference in the whole of ME3.

Jump to 3 minutes, it's how she says goodbye. And that is my Shepard. 

So wanted her to just go "Well what do you think I'm doing here, talking to you? D:"

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RainyDayLover wrote...

nranola wrote...
It is, it really is. :(

I want to believe that it's not over for Shepard - she does get that gasp of breath in the end so there's hope, I guess? We'll know (or we won't) soon enough with BioWare's supposed announcement at PAX. Crossing my fingers.


Well, if this is to be believed http://social.biowar...ndex/10935247/1

It's pretty much over for Shepard....they'll just be expanding upon the current ending in order to provide closure. I didn't really have any expectations to begin with, I think I should just move on (if that's possible)

Here's to you, femshep
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That agony is your triumph!



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No matter what, I was always going to go with the assumption that all my Shepard's faked their deaths so they could retire in peace.

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*cracks fingers* Good thing I can write. Fanfiction saved my headcanon.

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Lianna sFfalenn wrote...

If your Shepards were faced with a choice between keeping their LI with them or asking them to contribute elsewhere which might be safer, what would they do? What about if it was a choice between preventing harm from coming to their LI or giving up/gaining a serious advantage against the Reapers?


A hard choice for Jane. She accepted Kaidan's offer, but at the same time a small part of her wanted to send him someplace else. Where he could help Admiral Hackett and his soldiers. She still has feelings for Kaidan and want's him around not only because she still loves him, but also because she knows he is a good soldier. And if her LI want's to accompany her Jane will agree. Jane feels much stronger when the one she loves is around. Kaidan was with her on Ilos, and Jacob came with her to the Collector base. And now she is with Kaidan again.
But I don't know if I will take Kaidan to the final mission with me or not...
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AshiraShepard wrote...

*cracks fingers* Good thing I can write. Fanfiction saved my headcanon.


Seriously.  As much fun as it would have been to take her through future games, I was pretty well prepared for this to be the end of her video game career.  I mean she was going to retire anyway, so unless blue child rearing somehow translated into compelling gameplay, she was only ever gonna live on in my head and my stories.  It's just too bad I now have to fight Bioware in order to get there, but c'est la vie!

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Well, if this is to be believed http://social.biowar...ndex/10935247/1

It's pretty much over for Shepard....they'll just be expanding upon the current ending in order to provide closure. I didn't really have any expectations to begin with, I think I should just move on (if that's possible)

Here's to you, femshep
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That agony is your triumph!



*snip*

:crying:

I'll wait until PAX. Unless BioWare themselves say that it's over I'll keep clinging to that small hope that maybe, just maybe...


AshiraShepard wrote...

Yeah...her line "I believe I could find more than happiness with you..." does not help. :crying:

And unfortunately no. My Shepard isn't as eh...conventionally attractive. 

The only difference in the whole of ME3.

Jump to 3 minutes, it's how she says goodbye. And that is my Shepard. 

So wanted her to just go "Well what do you think I'm doing here, talking to you? D:"

Mmm love dem cheekbones~

Does the dialogue change if you pursued her in ME2? I can't remember if it's the same as to when I said goodbye to her on my playthrough.

It could've been a good use for an interrupt, that, a nod to Samara fans.

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nranola wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

It wasn't like he was a space hamster I had to protect.

This. I love the analogy. xD

Kaidan can protect himself. So it's mostly whether you want him on your ship or not, and if you think he can serve better in the Normandy or elsewhere.


Heh Posted Image That damn space hamster doesn't need protecting either - I left him scooting happily about in the cargo bay the first time down there because I couldn't catch him!

I think for me the question is raised by Aki's personality traits rather than anything to do with Kaidan. She doesn't doubt Kaidan's ability to look after himself, but she does doubt her own ability to be objective. Like she says to James, every N7 knows that sometimes you have to sacrifice people to get the job done. She still second-guesses Virmire - logically, Kaidan was the one to save (officer, nuke) but because logic made that choice for her she didn't have to test whether she could really sacrifice the man she loves for the good of the galaxy. Her worry is that she'll make a bad call because her emotions could influence her judgement.

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 Guess now is a good time to post some caps that I uploaded a week ago from Devi's conversation with Kaidan after the Cerberus attack.

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Kaidan has gotten really good at pulling off that "I disapprove" look. I might as well shrink him down to size and place him on Devi's shoulder. He'll be her conscience.:P

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"We're good, Kaidan. Always have been."
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nranola wrote...

@Ottemis- Is that Raine? Lovely shot~


NoxJuked wrote...

Really wanted Samara as a romance option for my femshep she's just about the only one that fit her. It was either Samara, no romance, or Liara. I made a nice background for Liara x Femshep just in case though(Some days I want her to be with Liara other days I like no romance for Molavetia just fine) - She didn't like Liara that way in ME1, learning how she was the only one who came back for her after she died sparked the love interest in ME2 after Shadow Broker well that and just how much they have been through together.

This I find very interesting. I've been looking for a reason for my Valentina to hook up with Liara and I think this might just do it. Same as you, I just can't her hooking up with Liara in ME1. But knowing what Liara did for her I can see Valentina going, "Wow... After everything I've done? She must really care for me." and kind of melt a bit of that cold heart of hers (Valentina is the most renegade of all my Shepards so far lol).



Dry your tears, Baby Blue... I'll romance you soon. <3


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Liara loved my canon since ME1 but she wasn't interested. They remained the closest of friends for years..........then things unexpectedly changed.

(apologies to those that have already read this)

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ME3 Journal Excerpt 
 
To put it bluntly, this will likely be my final entry as I'm fairly certain that I will be killed today. We are headed to the Illusive Man's base (where I intend to drive a stake through his motherf*cking heart) to get the data we need to get the Crucible operational and put an end to this.
 
It's funny the things you think about on the final day of your life. Like how grateful I am to Dr Chakwas for forcing me to start this journal over three years ago. It's been a long difficult journey to finally become a somewhat emotionally healthy functional adult and I know all this damn self examination is largely responsible.
 
It's rather funny that I'd finally fill that final piece of the puzzle, finding love, on the last day of my life. But there it is; on the very day I finally feel whole and happy, I'm not likely to live to see another. Even though I rejected Liara over three years ago, she has been there for me as a friend and loved me unconditionally. It's still true, I'm not into women (okay "mono gendered". Whatever) but life isn't perfect and neither is love. Surprisingly, it wasn't as awkward as I thought it would be (Actually it was kinda great). My only real issue was when she got undressed, it was just as I always suspected. I looked like a f*cking 12 year old boy next to her. Oh well, she didn't seem to care.
 
Here's the bottom line, she didn't turn her back on me when I worked for Cerberus, she didn't dump me for a scientist because it was the "safer choice".........and most of all she didn't leave me by dying. And here on the last day of my life, it is her that came to me to give me comfort, so it's her and her blue bubble butt that I am watching sleep in my bed as I write this.
 
Thank you Liara, for believing in me, always being there and for loving me even when I didn't deserve it (which was most of the time). While I will likely die today, I do this with no regrets, so you can live out your thousand.
 
Try not to forget me.
 
Rhynne
(no longer a complicated wreck)

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Gilsa wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 So I completed the Surkesh mission with Nemain and as in Mass Effect 2, I still feel conflicted with how the Krogan/Genophage issue plays out. Regardless of what character I use I do not like being solely responsible for deciding on whether the Genophage should be cured. When I finally do give in and vouch for the Krogan's salvation, I end up feeling as though I do this only for gameplay purposes; roleplaying has no influence in this decision. Does anyone else feel this way sometimes? That they have a hard time deciding something strickly on role playing factors?

I felt that way when it came to rewriting or destroying the heretics. I was irritated with the "consensus" for making me the deciding vote. As for Sur'Kesh, I found it exhilarating on my first playthrough because it looked like I was going to have to pick between two races. I didn't know if I would need Salarians more for their expertise on the crucible or what. I didn't want to lose the krogans as ground forces either though. (Ah, how little I understood how war assets actually worked.) It really forced me to decide who Shepard would side with when push came to shove.


Bolded: Looks like we see eye to eye on this one...I sorta disliked that decision...as the consesus seemed to me as if it favored rewrite if only by a little...so my first 3 femsheps( Allison, Alicia, and Gianna) all chose to rewrite them...now my current 3 will probadly go the oppisite...in fact they will also do the opposite as far as Maelon's cure goes since I wanna see how Tuchanka ends with Eve alive.

As far as Surr Kesh, and the whole salrian/krogan thing goes as a whole...I think it was kinda of easy for me...though I didn't realize you could get both to join your cause...you just had to kill off Wrex in ME 1 to make it happen. Sometimes renegading a situation outright can have some good effects...but their is usually a price for it. My Shepards usually ultimately decide to cure the genophage and tell all the Salarians outside of Mordin n Kirrahe to go 'screw' themselves...

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RainyDayLover wrote...

nranola wrote...
It is, it really is. :(

I want to believe that it's not over for Shepard - she does get that gasp of breath in the end so there's hope, I guess? We'll know (or we won't) soon enough with BioWare's supposed announcement at PAX. Crossing my fingers.


Well, if this is to be believed http://social.biowar...ndex/10935247/1

It's pretty much over for Shepard....they'll just be expanding upon the current ending in order to provide closure. I didn't really have any expectations to begin with, I think I should just move on (if that's possible)

Here's to you, femshep
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That agony is your triumph!



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EA can go screw themself. I had no expectations either but i'll wait for Bioware themself to say something. Everything that comes from an EA rep is just not worth the time reading or listening to. Especially about this. Then again i've read at least 20 sites saying that Bioware won't do anything and equal amount of places saying that they will do more than what EA say. We'll see what Bioware has to say though.

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Wulfram wrote...

I liked Sur-Kesh decision. It produced a real dilemma for my Shep.

She found the Dalatress's offer very attractive in military terms, despite her natural desire to right the wrong of the genophage. She kept the sabotage to herself on the trip there, partly because she didn't want to give the Krogan another reason to hate the Salarians, but also because she wanted her options open. Then Wrex wouldn't shup up about his plans for an empire which freaked her out a bit. Ultimately, she allowed Mordin to convince her to cure the genophage, but with no confidence that it was the right choice, or whether she just lacked the necessary moral courage.

Given how close she came to betraying the Krogan, their gratitude made her feel like a total fraud.

I like the Sur-Kesh decision from your Shep perspective. Visibly it has created some degree of internal conflict. Does this change the way you view your character, or is he/she just evolving in an anticipated path? I'm also curious to know if you had to face unexpected consequencess as a result.

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*pokes head in*

Just wanted to share a thought I had with a friend of mine. Looking through my youtube favourites and happened across this opening for Naruto.

Before you go "AWGAWDNARUTO D:" I'd just like to share that this particular opening sequence made me think of Shepard regards Mass Effect 3. It starts and Shepard slowly begins to sink with the light getting further and further away, until she begins drowning, surrounded by the pressure of her enemies. Then her friends reach out and push her back to the surface so she can fight another day.

*ahem*

Related to current conversation, while I felt terrible that Ash was all bloody and messed up, I kind of approved of it as well. It's not to that extent, but I picture her coming out of fights (like the collector base assault) just looking like hell.

Unfortunately she did not have the thought of "little blue babies" to motivate her. "Do or die isn't much of a choice" for my tried-to-romance-Samara-and-no-one-else Shepard.


this is actually one of my absolute FAVORITE naruto openings! i definitely see the shepard qualities here with sinking further and further until her friends help her back on her feet.

i also felt accepting of the fact that shepard was beat up and broken toward the end of ME3. i mean, if she had been totally clean and running on her feet, that would just feel wrong after all she had been through. i'm surprised she isn't more like this after the suicide mission. sprinting out of the collector base, covered in collector blood, her own blood, and the blood of her injured (or fallen, in some cases) crew. i like seeing my shepard get dirty. i mean, there's a reason for her having such a kickass shower in her quarters. ;)

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nranola wrote...

Does the dialogue change if you pursued her in ME2? I can't remember if it's the same as to when I said goodbye to her on my playthrough.

It could've been a good use for an interrupt, that, a nod to Samara fans.


That is the difference.

If you didn't try to romance her she just says you will both be tested in fire soon enough. 

The non-romanced dialogue suits her in as much as being Shepard's ally, they're both warriors.

The attempted-romance dialogue is painful and touching, she's showing concern for Shepard's emotional well-being.

I would've interrupted the hell out of that scene.

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Ottemis wrote...

Chugster wrote...

ok...if i add the default hair to a black haired Shep then i get black default hair (with clipping isues, then have to do all the LOD stuff).

but if i import the face from the pictures in my post above (LOD stuff done) and change the vectors to the black it keeps setting itself to the default red....i can change it to blonde or silver but not black...i can change her eye colour and eyeshadow but i cant make her hair black...any ideas?

I can change other hairstyles to black as well


While 0,0,0,1 is pure black, it could also be passed as null (theory) resulting in it resetting back to default, grab the colourdata out of your CC blackhaired shep and use those vectors for the black on your gibbed edited save.
If that doesn't work, I haven't the foggiest, worked fine for me ><


I thought it might be a null thing so i tried using the other black haired Shep RGB numbers...nada....works on other hairstyles...but not the default...which is odd as, like i said, i can make it blond or silver....and if i ive a black haired Shep the hairstyle it works...i was just trying to find a easier way to use the hairstyle wihout having to adjust all the LODs each time

I must be missing something as the default hair obviously can be black but i cant seem to change it from another colour TO black...odd


There three places to edit hair color:
HED_Hair_Colour_Vector

Highlight1Color
Highlight2Color

Sounds like a problem with one of those.

...

On other fronts, serendipity, I figured out a workaround for Ashley and Miranda's hair models.  It's noted on my hair blog.

Fraaaaak Teagan finally looks perfect.
She deserves another run at some point.

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Oh that...just a dead Reaper. XO from Rannoch.

I'm inspired to fanart an more detailed ending more fitting for Teagan (comic format? that will be new...rambling)...so something positive to focus on anyways.

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Oh and for the lulz.  Had some fun mod testing with Vega.  Snerk.  How's the view?!

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Looks great, ele!

Modifié par Tup3xi, 03 avril 2012 - 05:20 .