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[Silver]

MizzNaaa wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I remember aislinn Trista read and shared an aritcle about female aromor in games, and the person had armor making experience and applauded Mass Effect for their armor on female characters, specifically for how the armor around the breasts were. Also it seems Ashley and Liara have their own body models now instead of just having the carbon copy of Femshep's body from ME1 and 2 even if their armor's are recolors of the ME2 default N7 armor with personal customizations ( personally like their From Ashes armor better than the N7-ish since they look like Phantoms and we all know how deadly they are) Mass effect armor's have always been practical, especially in femshep's department. Even her N7 defender armor (which Kallen wears through the entire game) is bulky but at the same it fits her perfectly and doesn't look like she'd be a turtle stuck on her back trying to do a combat roll.

Actually, that's not true. The article mentioned that the boob armor was impractical because it would crush a person's ribs if one took a heavy blow to the chest.

Which sadly is true for all our modern day body-armour as well.

Good to see you again, Blueberry


And another one, for good measure!

Lean, mean Marines

Modifié par silverhammer08, 08 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[nitefyre410]

There is a reason why plate went out style when gunpowder showed up.. .

We can't apply the rules plate designed to deal with melee combat to armor that is made to deal with a projectile moving fraction of light speed. The armor need to designed to absorb the force of the impact and spread it out.

[Chugster]

Tup3xi wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Observation: Ash and Liara's armors are both recolored version of the default femshep N7 armor from ME2. So I guess Shepard's chest shrunk in ME3? xD

True, but, at least to me it looks like they boosted the boob area in ME3.


(bad pic put still; I didn't use that plate but it has to be different since it never popped the same way ME3 version did).

And people, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against boobs (I love 'em) but we are talking about armour here, not underwear. The whole purpose is to protect, not make character sexy or hawt.

true, but we are a few hundred years in the future, current flak vests are limited by materials and tech, in the future its not improbable to have armor custom fitted and shaped to match the wearer's figure but still retain the armor values due to vastly superior materials and manufacturing tech....form fitting armor would give the wearer more flexibulity and movement than something more bulky...

of course im not saying it isnt a ploy by BW to draw in the 'ooh boobies' crowd, but it is definately plausible if you think about it

[Silver]

nitefyre410 wrote...

There is a reason why plate went out style when gunpowder showed up.. .

Not quite right, plate went south when the knights of the old days came up against british archers wielding longbows
Don't want to derail the thread further though, but you can ask wikipedia about that

[Lemonwizard]

I don't know about you guys, but I am more concerned about the decrease in the size of femshep's arms than the increase in the size of her breasts.


I know, I know, the Lazarus implants and upgrades give Shepard a huge advantage over regular humans in terms of physical capabilities. However, I still just think it looks weird for femshep to demonstrate an extremely high degree of physical strength on a regular basis with arms that skimpy.

[ADLegend21]

MizzNaaa wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I remember aislinn Trista read and shared an aritcle about female aromor in games, and the person had armor making experience and applauded Mass Effect for their armor on female characters, specifically for how the armor around the breasts were. Also it seems Ashley and Liara have their own body models now instead of just having the carbon copy of Femshep's body from ME1 and 2 even if their armor's are recolors of the ME2 default N7 armor with personal customizations ( personally like their From Ashes armor better than the N7-ish since they look like Phantoms and we all know how deadly they are) Mass effect armor's have always been practical, especially in femshep's department. Even her N7 defender armor (which Kallen wears through the entire game) is bulky but at the same it fits her perfectly and doesn't look like she'd be a turtle stuck on her back trying to do a combat roll.

Actually, that's not true. The article mentioned that the boob armor was impractical because it would crush a person's ribs if one took a heavy blow to the chest.

yeah the boob armor from WOW and other games which were shaped like actual bra's, but not Mass Effect's armor.

EDIT: and as silver said your ribs could be crush if you took a heavy blow to the chest ANYWAY. armor's not for invulnerablitiy it's to lessen then damage you take.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 08 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[JamieCOTC]

ADLegend21 wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I remember aislinn Trista read and shared an aritcle about female aromor in games, and the person had armor making experience and applauded Mass Effect for their armor on female characters, specifically for how the armor around the breasts were. Also it seems Ashley and Liara have their own body models now instead of just having the carbon copy of Femshep's body from ME1 and 2 even if their armor's are recolors of the ME2 default N7 armor with personal customizations ( personally like their From Ashes armor better than the N7-ish since they look like Phantoms and we all know how deadly they are) Mass effect armor's have always been practical, especially in femshep's department. Even her N7 defender armor (which Kallen wears through the entire game) is bulky but at the same it fits her perfectly and doesn't look like she'd be a turtle stuck on her back trying to do a combat roll.

Actually, that's not true. The article mentioned that the boob armor was impractical because it would crush a person's ribs if one took a heavy blow to the chest.

yeah the boob armor from WOW and other games which were shaped like actual bra's, but not Mass Effect's armor.

femshep's boob armor is top heavy and therefore impratical. Just ask Legion. 

[Daennikus]

JamieCOTC wrote...

femshep's boob armor is top heavy and therefore impratical. Just ask Legion. 

That all depends on the rigidity and flexibility of the plate. By the way it is picked up before the Mars mission, I'd say it's pretty damn solid and unbending. 

I'd dare a woman to wear that kind of breastplate and make barrel rolls with it on her. I'd dare her to crawl on the ground while wearing it. I would get sued for abuse, torture, and sexual harrassment even! The way the plating digs into the creases and cleavage around the breasts would literally shatter the wearer's ribcage, causing wounds and perhaps internal bleeding from punctured organs.

Sorry for getting technical, but as someone who has experience with armor-fitting (Star Wars cosplayer, I own two sets of Stormtrooper armor... don't ask me about chaffing) "boob armor" is in no way planned for our future soldiers. In fact, the less you can see of the wearer, the more anonymous they remain and the safer they will be.

Female soldiers are having a tough enough time right now.

[nitefyre410]

silverhammer08 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

There is a reason why plate went out style when gunpowder showed up.. .

Not quite right, plate went south when the knights of the old days came up against british archers wielding longbows
Don't want to derail the thread further though, but you can ask wikipedia about that

 

You must be British... 

If we wanted to be technicial then yes it was the Bristish longbowmen ... the point being heavy  and thick plate does not help against  projectiles... so using that design philosophy for Mass Effect  Armor is well... pointless.   

Anyway trying to appeal real world practicality to a fantasy setting is moot  - we start doing that we start forcing every artist and writer into a mold - "If its  not pratical it sexist" and that is not a precendent that needs to be set.
  
The Armor design should fit the setting of the story not some real world standard of protection.

Which has been my one of my whole issues with the debate from the start.  Nobody is really debating characters  they are just debating  the characters appearance and this completely subjective.  I have yet seen Femshep or Ashley put in an positions  that are demeaning to their strenght of character.  

Hell I find the over use of the word rape  the fighting game community and MP community and gaming culture more distrubing than  say Ashely's cup size or the fact the Shepard is not built with Mr.Universe  with  21 inch biceps.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 08 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[Tup3x]

Chugster wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Observation: Ash and Liara's armors are both recolored version of the default femshep N7 armor from ME2. So I guess Shepard's chest shrunk in ME3? xD

True, but, at least to me it looks like they boosted the boob area in ME3.
/snip
(bad pic put still; I didn't use that plate but it has to be different since it never popped the same way ME3 version did).

And people, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against boobs (I love 'em) but we are talking about armour here, not underwear. The whole purpose is to protect, not make character sexy or hawt.

true, but we are a few hundred years in the future, current flak vests are limited by materials and tech, in the future its not improbable to have armor custom fitted and shaped to match the wearer's figure but still retain the armor values due to vastly superior materials and manufacturing tech....form fitting armor would give the wearer more flexibulity and movement than something more bulky...

of course im not saying it isnt a ploy by BW to draw in the 'ooh boobies' crowd, but it is definately plausible if you think about it

I still don't get it why the wearer should look like nekkid person while wearing armour. Those boob armour basically mimic how naked body looks. And honestly, for armour I don't see how form fitting would be a good thing. When you actually start to move your body I bet that those armour cups would actually limit your movement because your body couldn't move (slide actually) much if not at all inside. That armour basically grabs boobs and keeps the from moving at all. (That's just my theory though, I'm no woman so I don't know if I'm right). Assuming that the armour material is not flexible.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 08 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[ADLegend21]

JamieCOTC wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I remember aislinn Trista read and shared an aritcle about female aromor in games, and the person had armor making experience and applauded Mass Effect for their armor on female characters, specifically for how the armor around the breasts were. Also it seems Ashley and Liara have their own body models now instead of just having the carbon copy of Femshep's body from ME1 and 2 even if their armor's are recolors of the ME2 default N7 armor with personal customizations ( personally like their From Ashes armor better than the N7-ish since they look like Phantoms and we all know how deadly they are) Mass effect armor's have always been practical, especially in femshep's department. Even her N7 defender armor (which Kallen wears through the entire game) is bulky but at the same it fits her perfectly and doesn't look like she'd be a turtle stuck on her back trying to do a combat roll.

Actually, that's not true. The article mentioned that the boob armor was impractical because it would crush a person's ribs if one took a heavy blow to the chest.

yeah the boob armor from WOW and other games which were shaped like actual bra's, but not Mass Effect's armor.

femshep's boob armor is top heavy and therefore impratical. Just ask Legion. 

No that's EDI's body. It also has several structural weaknesses copared to his geth platform.

[Silver]

nitefyre410 wrote...

silverhammer08 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

There is a reason why plate went out style when gunpowder showed up.. .

Not quite right, plate went south when the knights of the old days came up against british archers wielding longbows
Don't want to derail the thread further though, but you can ask wikipedia about that

 

You must be British... 

If we wanted to be technicial then yes it was the Bristish longbowmen ... the point being heavy  and thick plate does not help against  projectiles... so using that design philosophy for Mass Effect  Armor is well... pointless.   

Anyway trying to appeal real world practicality to a fantasy setting is moot  - we start doing that we start forcing every artist and writer into a mold - "Its  not pratical it sexist" and that is not a precendent that needs to be set.
  
The Armor design should fit the setting of the story not some real world standard of protection.

First off, i'm not british, i'm german (yeah, much worse, I know).
Second, I was only making a point about old armor, not the one in Mass Effect.

Not trying to start a flame-war here or anything, far from it.

[nitefyre410]

silverhammer08 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

silverhammer08 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

There is a reason why plate went out style when gunpowder showed up.. .

Not quite right, plate went south when the knights of the old days came up against british archers wielding longbows
Don't want to derail the thread further though, but you can ask wikipedia about that

 

You must be British... 

If we wanted to be technicial then yes it was the Bristish longbowmen ... the point being heavy  and thick plate does not help against  projectiles... so using that design philosophy for Mass Effect  Armor is well... pointless.   

Anyway trying to appeal real world practicality to a fantasy setting is moot  - we start doing that we start forcing every artist and writer into a mold - "Its  not pratical it sexist" and that is not a precendent that needs to be set.
  
The Armor design should fit the setting of the story not some real world standard of protection.

First off, i'm not british, i'm german (yeah, much worse, I know).
Second, I was only making a point about old armor, not the one in Mass Effect.

Not trying to start a flame-war here or anything, far from it.

 

That was joke  -  sorry if I offend 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 08 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[Silver]

Yeah, and I shouldn't have bothered engaging this subject of discussion, because it is as endless as the discussion about the endings... and I hate going 'round in circles.
Due to no fault but my own, I'll refrain from discussing this topic further.

EDIT: You didn't offend me, no worries.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 08 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[ADLegend21]

Nyoka wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but I am more concerned about the decrease in the size of femshep's arms than the increase in the size of her breasts.

I know, I know, the Lazarus implants and upgrades give Shepard a huge advantage over regular humans in terms of physical capabilities. However, I still just think it looks weird for femshep to demonstrate an extremely high degree of physical strength on a regular basis with arms that skimpy.

I think they solved this well. People wanted different things for their Sheps and consequently they gave Shep different bodies in the form of casual outfits. I think this is a good enough solution. Your choice. She looks pretty strong in that Alliance uniform she wears in the introduction. Other people want a more slim-looking Shepard, they can use the blue normandy uniform or the hoodie. If people go to the armory and have the fight with Vega while wearing the dress, that's on them. They had an option to make Shep look strong, they simply chose otherwise.

This, and even though I picture Kallen as muscular, I know she has strength beyond her looks so I do put her in the dress to simply wipe the hold with musclely Vega to put him in his place after almost destroying the shuttle on Mars.

[nitefyre410]

silverhammer08 wrote...

Yeah, and I shouldn't have bothered engaging this subject of discussion, because it is as endless as the discussion about the endings... and I hate going 'round in circles.
Due to no fault but my own, I'll refrain from discussing this topic further.

 

Ehh... don't worry about it ..

No blood, no foul ...

It was more my fault than anything.

[Hadeedak]

I will say I do wish her arms were a bit bigger. I'm not THAT strong a gal, and I would dominate a girl with that upper body build in an arm wrestling contest. Of course, Shep has bajillions of implants and muscle weave and whatnot. And I can promptly solve puny upperbody syndrome by slapping her in something with long sleeves.

[nitefyre410]

Shepard does not need 21 inch biceps the throw a good punch and floor someone James size ..

Look at say Bruce Lee.. that man knot of tiny weary muscle and hit like a freight train.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 08 avril 2012 - 08:11 .

[Tup3x]

nitefyre410 wrote...



Shepard does not need 21 inch biceps the throw a good punch and floor someone James size ..

Look at say Bruce Lee.. that man knot of tiny weary muscle and hit like a freight train.

Muscle thing is a bit interesting. Some people have different shaped muscles yet they all perform the same so looks can be deceiving. However, Shepard's arms look a bit wonky in some situations (ending for example).

[nitefyre410]

Tup3xi wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...



Shepard does not need 21 inch biceps the throw a good punch and floor someone James size ..

Look at say Bruce Lee.. that man knot of tiny weary muscle and hit like a freight train.

Muscle thing is a bit interesting. Some people have different shaped muscles yet they all perform the same so looks can be deceiving. However, Shepard's arms look a bit wonky in some situations (ending for example).

 

mostly has more to  do with the engine than anything else, the same we reason can get some awesome facial animations... or the worst herp derp faces ever made. 

[JamieCOTC]

Daennikus wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

femshep's boob armor is top heavy and therefore impratical. Just ask Legion. 

That all depends on the rigidity and flexibility of the plate. By the way it is picked up before the Mars mission, I'd say it's pretty damn solid and unbending. 

I'd dare a woman to wear that kind of breastplate and make barrel rolls with it on her. I'd dare her to crawl on the ground while wearing it. I would get sued for abuse, torture, and sexual harrassment even! The way the plating digs into the creases and cleavage around the breasts would literally shatter the wearer's ribcage, causing wounds and perhaps internal bleeding from punctured organs.

Sorry for getting technical, but as someone who has experience with armor-fitting (Star Wars cosplayer, I own two sets of Stormtrooper armor... don't ask me about chaffing) "boob armor" is in no way planned for our future soldiers. In fact, the less you can see of the wearer, the more anonymous they remain and the safer they will be.

Female soldiers are having a tough enough time right now.

"That was a joke." 

[Captain Crash]

Nyoka wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but I am more concerned about the decrease in the size of femshep's arms than the increase in the size of her breasts.

I know, I know, the Lazarus implants and upgrades give Shepard a huge advantage over regular humans in terms of physical capabilities. However, I still just think it looks weird for femshep to demonstrate an extremely high degree of physical strength on a regular basis with arms that skimpy.

I think they solved this well. People wanted different things for their Sheps and consequently they gave Shep different bodies in the form of casual outfits. I think this is a good enough solution. Your choice. She looks pretty strong in that Alliance uniform she wears in the introduction. Other people want a more slim-looking Shepard, they can use the blue normandy uniform or the hoodie. If people go to the armory and have the fight with Vega while wearing the dress, that's on them. They had an option to make Shep look strong, they simply chose otherwise.

I agree with this. This is one those things where we kept giving them mixed messages as some people wanted one thing and others another.   I would like to say we are a united front on everything FemShep, but the odd thing there were some real differences of opinion.   Still Bioware sorted it out quite well.  Not 100% sure if it was intended though, but hey im certainly not complaining!

[Daennikus]

JamieCOTC wrote...

"That was a joke." 

Some people do think a lot about these things and you should respect the knowledge, even if it comes off as ridiculous.

[XTR3M3]

Lyna Shepard. Now she looks as good from the front as she does from the back lol
direct link for bigger image
i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/XTR3M368/LynaShepard.jpg

Modifié par XTR3M3, 08 avril 2012 - 08:39 .