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raziel1980 wrote...

@SR : thanks, I'm sure she would like that...or box you in the nose, claiming your too soft and you need to shape...atleast the 'Renegon' Allison G. Shepard would... :devil:


Exactly why i talk about giving her a hug...

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SaturnRing wrote...

raziel1980 wrote...

@SR : thanks, I'm sure she would like that...or box you in the nose, claiming your too soft and you need to shape...atleast the 'Renegon' Allison G. Shepard would... :devil:


Exactly why i talk about giving her a hug...


LOL... That's how she was going into and through ME 1... :devil:

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raziel1980 wrote...

LOL... That's how she was going into and through ME 1... :devil:

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I like that part. Matching armors?  for me there is a whole process to determine what type of gear my teammates get: For Ashley and Kaidan it's usually an earthbase armor manufacturer - like the colossus they're wearing - Ashley because of her somewhat racist views; even her weapons [rosenkov or kassa]; Kaidan mostly for his loyalty toward the Alliance. Garrus gets the phantom armor but his weapons are from armax manufacturer. Tali usually gets turian made weapons; i figure Quarians probably put more trust in those. Wrex is interested in whatever makes the biggest holes. To him it doesn't matter where it comes from. In the end besides Shepard he's the only one who gets Spectre gear - if i decide to roll with it. 

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This is so awesome. I adore that movie, and not just because I will watching anything with Sandra Bullock in it.

Well, okay, yeah. that IS the reason. 

One does have to wonder where you conceal a weapon in that dress. I did so wonder with Hock's party.

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Where DID she stash that sidearm?

Also, re: Vega's flirting: I totally just imagine COMPLETELY different lines coming out of my Shepard's mouth. actually, i remember having to alt/tab out of the game just to write some of them down, because the entire fight scene made me want to re-work everything that shepard said.


Inside of her thigh, obviously!  ;)

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Does anyone have a picture of what the ME1 default FemShep face looks like in ME3? I'm curious, now that the import patch works.

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About the whole James discussion:

Everyone tried a NON-Import Character ? I did, pure Renegade, no LI, cold and tough as a nail.
Krissy get deleted accidently - so I can't replay the scenes. But I can't remember she HAD to flirt with James. She blocked him hard at every conversation.

Anyway it isn't bothering me. Its human/men nature to flirt and as others mentioned above its not serious. I can understand that some still have a problem with - it fits not in the picture of the Shep they play.
Just look at this point - the whole game is very dark and I will call this flirt stuff as a touch of humor in it.

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It's not men's "nature" and I hate that overly simplistic view for so many reasons but the point is moot anyway because he's a character who was *written* by someone else. Nothing is in his nature unless the writers choose it to be. None of the other male characters act that way (sure as hell wouldn't be playing if they did). But it doesn't matter that Vega acts like a chode, I just want the choice to not engage in it, much less encourage. I don't find it a touch of humor at all, it just makes it worse, haha.

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@Sage
Between dem legs.

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I wouldn't call it human or male nature. From my experience those kind of people are by far in the minority and I have never done that myself. But yeah, I think it was humorous too.

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yukidama wrote...

It's not men's "nature" and I hate that overly simplistic view for so many reasons but the point is moot anyway because he's a character who was *written* by someone else. Nothing is in his nature unless the writers choose it to be. None of the other male characters act that way (sure as hell wouldn't be playing if they did). But it doesn't matter that Vega acts like a chode, I just want the choice to not engage in it, much less encourage. I don't find it a touch of humor at all, it just makes it worse, haha.


Well - I guess there are different views. All is always a matter of personal taste I suppose :)
And I said I can understand that some people are simple annoyed about.
But Jacob in ME2 - or let say the lack of possibilities to talk to him - annoyed me much more.

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While I can fully understand the automatic flirting isn't for everyone, and or for everyone's Shep, I found the flow quite natural. James humanizes Shepard in a way, and when somewhere halfway through the game, Shep engages him about it, he completely shuts down.

It's not a lack of respect, it's recognition that deep down inside, even though she's accomplished so much, even though she's considered far above the regular grunts, she's still one of them. She never was any different.

That he stops is when it gets too real and he doesn't know what to do with it, it wasn't his intent to see it through in the first place. Honestly, fair enough in that situation. Then at the end, when you confront him about having stopped, and he ends that conversation calling you Lola again? That felt like a victory on it's own, and a tribute to their grown friendship. It made me intensely happy.

It's in James' character to respond to the person behind the rank. While not for everyone, for me that had great appeal.

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So I'm supposed to like that James considers my Shepard human enough to stare at her chest? Honestly, the whole game spends time humanizing her in ways that don't force her to allow some dude to constantly comment on her appearance without saying anything. Male Shepard is perfectly humanizes and Vega has the same esteem for him, but he's not constantly talking about dude Shep's body or pausing during a convo to stare at his bulge. I don't buy that they couldn't have conveyed what people keep mentioning about their friendship without including that kind of content OR without letting Shepard tell him she dislikes it.

I didn't allow him to call my Shepard Lola, so she never initiated anything (if you let him the exchange is playfully flirty enough that I can accept it since she kinda started it). I think if you told him not to call you Lola the game shouldn't go down that line like they have in the past.

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At her chest you say? Pfft everyone knows Shepard has other ASSets...
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I found Vega very endearing. Flirtation between female and male friends without it being serious is common. Flirtation is just another way people express themselves. It relieves stress, tension, and can make the other person feel good. Hell you guys should hear us on the femshep.com mumble, we're dirty dirty people.

Going out on a limb here and am going to guess that the reason he flirts with Femshep and not Manshep is because he is straight. Just a guess here though. Adding Cortez joke about him liking 'Grizzlies' and the joke going completely over his head, I'm thinking yes, straight.

Really the biggest thing that gets me is nothing comes from it. I wanted Vega to be a romance so badly. It would have been nice to have him back down from the romance it you were with someone else. But for a single Shepard (with the world freaking ending and all) why can't I hit that?! Such a lady-part tease.

But again, I understand the way Shepard flirts back with him doesn't fit everyone's Shepard. Honestly, I would just chalk it up to battle flirtation and just go with it. This is the same problem people had with Jacob with the "I'm more interested in just talking for a minute." My option of the subject is a resounding 'meh.' There are more bigger problems with the game than causal flirtation between two characters.

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At her chest you say? Pfft everyone knows Shepard has other ASSets...
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I found Vega very endearing. Flirtation between female and male friends without it being serious is common. Flirtation is just another way people express themselves. It relieves stress, tension, and can make the other person feel good. Hell you guys should hear us on the femshep.com mumble, we're dirty dirty people.

Going out on a limb here and am going to guess that the reason he flirts with Femshep and not Manshep is because he is straight. Just a guess here though. Adding Cortez joke about him liking 'Grizzlies' and the joke going completely over his head, I'm thinking yes, straight.

Really the biggest thing that gets me is nothing comes from it. I wanted Vega to be a romance so badly. It would have been nice to have him back down from the romance it you were with someone else. But for a single Shepard (with the world freaking ending and all) why can't I hit that?! Such a lady-part tease.

But again, I understand the way Shepard flirts back with him doesn't fit everyone's Shepard. Honestly, I would just chalk it up to battle flirtation and just go with it. This is the same problem people had with Jacob with the "I'm more interested in just talking for a minute." My option of the subject is a resounding 'meh.' There are more bigger problems with the game than causal flirtation between two characters.


*Cough* I got no idea at all what you're talking about :P *cough*


Yeah, i also get that the flirting don't fit everyone Shep. I had to think and see if it fit mine and most of the time it did and when it didn't i just do as i did with how Shep was with Jacob in ME2. I just go with it but for most of the time it was so amusing to listen to.

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While I can fully understand the automatic flirting isn't for everyone, and or for everyone's Shep, I found the flow quite natural. James humanizes Shepard in a way, and when somewhere halfway through the game, Shep engages him about it, he completely shuts down.


Oh, absolutely. This interaction with James is very different from that of Shepard and Jacob. I know people like to bring up the comparison between these two but there are two important differences. For one, Shepard initiates the flirting with Jacob with out the player's consent. Two, Jacob is not receptive to this approach. In fact, he's very stand-offish and it makes the whole interaction ten times worse than it already was. 

It's not a lack of respect, it's recognition that deep down inside, even though she's accomplished so much, even though she's considered far above the regular grunts, she's still one of them. She never was any different.
That he stops is when it gets too real and he doesn't know what to do with it, it wasn't his intent to see it through in the first place. Honestly, fair enough in that situation. Then at the end, when you confront him about having stopped, and he ends that conversation calling you Lola again? That felt like a victory on it's own, and a tribute to their grown friendship. It made me intensely happy.

It's in James' character to respond to the person behind the rank. While not for everyone, for me that had great appeal.


 I think this is more towards what Lady Aly meant. It is natural for James to act this way. Some men and women are natural flirts, certainly not all but some. It's James' way of testing the waters or diffusing tension. Kind of like how he makes a couple of funny remarks in Shepard's cabin. And Shepard's comment of "The bed is harder than it looks" can be seen as either an awkward line that was not intended to be a come on, or the exact opposite. I chose to see it as an awkward line which is why I find it hilarious when James' ears perked up and he asked if she was flirting, only to be scolded with Shepard's frown.

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I agree there is a lack of possibilities.
But he is calling a Maleshep also - Loco - which can be displayed as disrespect. Loco means in spanish - crazy, soft-head, feeble-minded. Not a compliment nor respectfully

But hey ....
1.) afterall it is still a game
2.) it is written from humans
3.) You can just stop to talk to him - its your decision.

It spoils a lot of fun for me if I would analyze in a game constantly all interactions if they are *political, ethical* correct. Only my view - but I'm a real woman ;P not an analyzer or a 100 % believer of feministic views.

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 As some of you, I felt like James's flirt was more for the funny side than anything but I can understand that it's annoying when your Shepard isn't the type.
 To me, it felt pretty natural because I always think Margaret's relationships with men this way: a lot of tease and it works or not but nobody will cry a river about it; in general, she didn't do this on the job but if the guy wants to play, she is game. I'd already roleplay this with Kaidan, back in ME1, and she ended up caught at her own game but it never meant that it was going to stop, hell, Kaidan always makes comments about how the other women are beautiful, it would be hypocritical from him to get jealous about it. So, she teases James for the laugh, trying to get him embarrassed, she likes to be "the annoying little person", espeschially when he plays cards with others people.
 Plus, I never interpreted the comment about the bed as an invitation, Maleshep does it too. I took it as an answer to "Everything is a little...too soft". And Shepard's reaction made me laugh, like "Return to your sleeping pod, boy, it a no-go zone for you".

 I couldn't find any concrete information about what happened on Akuze and as far as I know, the time lapse was never discussed. I wanted Devi to experience something that was long lasting and isolating. It wasn't enough to lose 50 Marines and 35 colonists within a few days. Such a tragic loss is not directly related to Devi's decision making throughout the rescue mission (we can blame Cerberus for that). I wanted her experience to be vaguely reminiscent of the time Jesus spent fasting in the desert; which is around 40 days. (Not trying to offend any Christians reading this)

 An interesting point, I thinkImage IPB (and I don't see why it would offend Christians, it shows more culture and it is a good  thing. And a lot caught religious references in the Mass Effect series, si, it's no harm.)! It remind me of the gift of words given by the Consort about loneliness too.

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 As some of you, I felt like James's flirt was more for the funny side than anything but I can understand that it's annoying when your Shepard isn't the type.
 To me, it felt pretty natural because I always think Margaret's relationships with men this way: a lot of tease and it works or not but nobody will cry a river about it; in general, she didn't do this on the job but if the guy wants to play, she is game. I'd already roleplay this with Kaidan, back in ME1, and she ended up caught at her own game but it never meant that it was going to stop, hell, Kaidan always makes comments about how the other women are beautiful, it would be hypocritical from him to get jealous about it. So, she teases James for the laugh, trying to get him embarrassed, she likes to be "the annoying little person", espeschially when he plays cards with others people.
 Plus, I never interpreted the comment about the bed as an invitation, Maleshep does it too. I took it as an answer to "Everything is a little...too soft". And Shepard's reaction made me laugh, like "Return to your sleeping pod, boy, it a no-go zone for you".


Like how it played out for you. Good point on Maleshep. Whether he's gay or not he does say the same line about the bed.

 I couldn't find any concrete information about what happened on Akuze and as far as I know, the time lapse was never discussed. I wanted Devi to experience something that was long lasting and isolating. It wasn't enough to lose 50 Marines and 35 colonists within a few days. Such a tragic loss is not directly related to Devi's decision making throughout the rescue mission (we can blame Cerberus for that). I wanted her experience to be vaguely reminiscent of the time Jesus spent fasting in the desert; which is around 40 days. (Not trying to offend any Christians reading this)

 An interesting point, I thinkImage IPB (and I don't see why it would offend Christians, it shows more culture and it is a good  thing. And a lot caught religious references in the Mass Effect series, si, it's no harm.)! It remind me of the gift of words given by the Consort about loneliness too.



 Well hey there, you just gave me reason #99 as to why I need to replay ME1 with Devi. I'm gradually forgetting all of these neat interactions such as the one with the consort. I can't for the life of me remember how the situation with Toombs was handled in Devi's game, although he too was another soldier who miraculously survived Akuze.

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Agreed. Though I would call my Femshep crazy. Lola refers to a 'Strong woman.' I could think of a lot worse things for him to call her than that. Like Chi-Chi. Speaking of inappropriate my main slept with her LT while she was in the Alliance...twice, (Actually probably more than that if you go by this dialogue) I think giving someone a wink and a nudge isn't the worse thing she could do.

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Agreed. Though I would call my Femshep crazy. Lola refers to a 'Strong woman.' I could think of a lot worse things for him to call her than that. Like Chi-Chi. Speaking of inappropriate my main slept with her LT while she was in the Alliance...twice, (Actually probably more than that if you go by this dialogue) I think giving someone a wink and a nudge isn't the worse thing she could do.



 Or Mami or Mamicita?! Uggh, I'm glad it never went down that route! It's clear that James has a thing for strong woman and flirting or no, he does look up to Commander Shepard. Speaking of Alliance rules, and like you brought up, Shepard doesn't always follow these regulations to the tee. Somehow Devi fell for Kaidan in spite of rank and the risks that come along with fraternization, and they still continued their relationship into ME3.

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I was searching for the translate of Lola aswell - I found it is from Chile and means Teenager *giggle*
Interesting you found *strong woman* for it @meonlyred.
In both cases there are far worse names he could had give her.

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I was searching for the translate of Lola aswell - I found it is from Chile and means Teenager *giggle*
Interesting you found *strong woman* for it @meonlyred.
In both cases there are far worse names he could had give her.



 She was referring to Vega's explanation in game. He tells Shepard that Lola is the name of his friend's older sister who he then described as strong and hot.

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Lola

Vega even refers to that girl from his childhood who was "tough, hot." EDIT: Is it strong? I can't remember atm.

Something else I found interesting about him. In his goodbye in London, he calls Shepard Commander instead of Lola, when Shepard asks him why not Lola, you can tell that beyond the flirting he has deep respect for Shepard.

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Flies_by_Handles wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

I was searching for the translate of Lola aswell - I found it is from Chile and means Teenager *giggle*
Interesting you found *strong woman* for it @meonlyred.
In both cases there are far worse names he could had give her.



 She was referring to Vega's explanation in game. He tells Shepard that Lola is the name of his friend's older sister who he then described as strong and hot.


ah - yes- and I remember that line. My lack of english knowledge fools me sometimes. Sorry bout that.:blush:

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 Well hey there, you just gave me reason #99 as to why I need to replay ME1 with Devi. I'm gradually forgetting all of these neat interactions such as the one with the consort. I can't for the life of me remember how the situation with Toombs was handled in Devi's game, although he too was another soldier who miraculously survived Akuze.

 ME1 was great because of those little things. In my first playthrough, Toombs killed himself after shooting the scientist because I failed to convinced him but when I replayed it, even if I was able to gets him to go in the psychiatric center, I didn't because it was more fitting. He said something like he was already dead and "They said you were the sole survivor from Akuze, who am I to argue?" before killing himself, it does really ring a bell to Margaret because she felt like she died as well on Akuze. It changed her not only psychologically but physically too since she found herself unable to do things she throught as acquired. The suicide of Toombs shaken her because it made her realised that she never really left Akuze's ground and it was time for her to do so before ending like him, to stop surviving until being KIA and to begin living because she wanted to.

 She was referring to Vega's explanation in game. He tells Shepard that Lola is the name of his friend's older sister who he then described as strong and hot.

Hot?Image IPB I believed it was hard and rough. I liked "Lola" as a surname because it sound quite well, it's clear that there is worse, one of my Shepard ex-boyfriend calls her "M.E.S" because it's the acronym of Margaret Emma Shepard (that what's you get when you have a ridiculously long name). On the fourth wall breaking side, it's also the acronym of Mass Effect SeriesImage IPB

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Does anyone have a picture of what the ME1 default FemShep face looks like in ME3? I'm curious, now that the import patch works.

Apart from one custom face(had 2 others that i combined in one), i only exclusively use ME1 and 2 default face for all my femshep (arround 6 of them). Bioware hasn't made her import in ME3 possible yet - instead when you load that face from ME2 save, you get a custom Shep put together from the cc, made to look like her - i unfortunately don't have a picture. I haven't played my canon in ME3 yet. So i'm stuck waiting...hopefully they'll make her available soon like they promise to do.

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