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bettak wrote...

 I just wanted to show you two more pictures with Siri. Though I'm not sure, maybe I posted the second one some time ago.

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I like her!  She's intense in that first pic.  And the stripes in the second pic...  :wub:

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Or, you know, as in expressing agreement because I do agree with every word that has been posted and had nothing new to add. If you prefer I rephrase everything that has already been said and add it next time, I shall do so.


So then why bother with the quote pyramid and one word? What I said was pointed, yes, and I probably should have worded things differently. Still, I like seeing more people post discussions and I sometimes can't shake the feeling that some members post less and only pop in when they find someone they agree with, which kind of ruins the whole point of discussion. My apologies, and I'll drop it from here on.

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[...] actually, it was the thane stuff. i mean, kyrie's not even as close to
him as other sheps are, but i felt so weirdly distanced by the whole
thing. like, you saved my butt several times and here i am just sort of
letting this crap happen to you. what happened to shepard the woman who
sticks her nose into every single conversation on the wards and gives
out baby advice to random strangers? seriously?


  Shepard has become the master eavesdropper. I'm sorely tempted now to ignore these kinds of quests only because they don't fit in well with the rest of the game. Yeah, it's a staple of RPGs to have side characters completely entrust a stranger with their problems, but quests could have been given in a more natural way if Shepard actually engaged in formal dialogue with them.

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TheMarshal wrote...

bettak wrote...

 I just wanted to show you two more pictures with Siri. Though I'm not sure, maybe I posted the second one some time ago.

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I like her!  She's intense in that first pic.  And the stripes in the second pic...  :wub:

:D thank you Marshal

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I love Siri :) She is very beautiful :wub::)
Maybe I'll upload Mikaela to ME3 again to see her with Ashley's hair.

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You know for some reason in most cases, I'm finding the ME 2 version of certain femsheps look better than their ME 3 counterparts...though this isn't the case for all...


I love Jane in all three games. But I can't say the same about Mikaela for example... Best of all she looks in ME2. In ME1 she looks younger :)

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Chignon wrote...
Or, you know, as in expressing agreement because I do agree with every word that has been posted and had nothing new to add. If you prefer I rephrase everything that has already been said and add it next time, I shall do so.


So then why bother with the quote pyramid and one word? What I said was pointed, yes, and I probably should have worded things differently. Still, I like seeing more people post discussions and I sometimes can't shake the feeling that some members post less and only pop in when they find someone they agree with, which kind of ruins the whole point of discussion. My apologies, and I'll drop it from here on.

Did you actaully read my post? Because I wanted to show that I agree. It's that simple.

When I agreed with Yukidama, it was hardly a quote pyramid. It was her post and hers only.

Next time, I'll put an additional sentence or two under the supposed "quote pyramid" just for you.

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Jane Shepard wrote...

I love Siri :) She is very beautiful :wub::)
Maybe I'll upload Mikaela to ME3 again to see her with Ashley's hair.

raziel1980 wrote...
You know for some reason in most cases, I'm finding the ME 2 version of certain femsheps look better than their ME 3 counterparts...though this isn't the case for all...


I love Jane in all three games. But I can't say the same about Mikaela for example... Best of all she looks in ME2. In ME1 she looks younger :)

[evil snippage]

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I dunno, I think she looks really good in ME3. I think all Shepards have this intense "I've been dealing with a lot of crap lately" look to them in ME3.

Here's Maria, who's full Paragon, yet she's got that same intense look.

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ELE08 wrote...

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This is an RP issue.

They've always said [in interviews and such] that Shepard is their character, and there are certain things that will always be out of the players control in regards to her personality.  But they've taken that to a whole new level in ME3.  It is by far, the most railroaded and limited of the three games as far as shaping Shepard's personality.

If this works out for your particular Shepard, consider yourself lucky.

If I ever play my own Caroline Shepard through ME3, you can bet she will be avoiding Vega, because even though I, the player, like him, there is no way the autodialogue fits the personality I have established for her.


See this is something I've been thinking about - I really do feel like I got lucky with a lot of the dialogue when it came to my canon femShep, Lia - most of the auto dialogue was as I'd expect her Paragon self to be saying, but I never could shake the feeling that it was indeed luck. Now, I see where the writers were coming from - they couldn't leave Shepard the blank slate she was in ME2 because people gave a lot of feedback saying how they were not satisfied with Shepard the non-emotional robot. Could they have approached this better and with more options than they did in ME3? Absolutely, which is again where the ugly head of a compressed development cycle shows itself.

Then again - that just leads to the larger issue of whether or not BioWare should have delayed the game solely for the purpose of adding in more variety and story elements. I think a lot of people would answer yes, but it would never have gotten past EA management. Which is unfortunate as BioWare's continued attempts to promote themselves as storytellers keeps taking hits the more things like this happens. But that's a tangent - it's already come to a head over the endings, I just wonder how many other elements will eventually earn the ire of the customer base.

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Diane - Colonist/Ruthless/Infiltrator

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"I just killed the bravest woman I've ever met ... for nothing."

Not curing the genophage is pretty brutal because I liked Eve a lot. With Diane that was another defining moment as she found a kindred spirit in Eve. She doesn't regret her choice (Wreav was in charge), but she does feel Eve's death was on her.

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Shepard: At least your name's not up there ... yet.
Garrus: Yeah, hehehe ... Wait, you're not joking are you?

She killed Ashely too. The aftermath of that was pretty interesting. Oddly enough, Diane never liked Ashley, never really respected her until Ash made her final stand. She may have been in the wrong, but she took a stand. Diane was proud of her for doing that. Diane is very much like Samara.

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"Yes, I stole Jacob from you! He'll have a better life w/ me anyway. Besides, I should get something! Your ending may not make any damned sense, but at least you got one. They cancelled my ending. Bastards!"
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"How odd. I know another femshep w/ that same eye problem. You should have that looked at"

(for those who don't know Brynne Cole was played by Jo Wyatt who voiced LadyHawke in DA2. The final DLC for DA2 was recently canceled to pave the way for DA3)

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@DJ: It's gotta be a tough balance, that's what I assume. As is, I remember seeing an interview where they said they wanted to get rid of the 'neutral' options to force shepard to make hard choices and be pushed paragon or renegade and not sit the fence. (wish i could find it now). anyhow, i was kind of annoyed at that, because i tended to have kyrie say really neutral things, but i imagine that inside, she's using those 'flat' moments to buy herself time to make up her mind about things. and me, i tend to play 'mixed' alignments, because i find heroes that aren't all badass or shiny paladins are most interesting to me. i like heroes like mal reynolds who's a good guy, but would never admit it, that kind of thing. anyhow, i do feel part of the problem was they limited the range of shepard, and in the last game, when people are most likely to have decided that shepard is *their* character, not just bioware's vision, that's when they're going to notice the lack of choice most.

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@DJ: It's gotta be a tough balance, that's what I assume. As is, I remember seeing an interview where they said they wanted to get rid of the 'neutral' options to force shepard to make hard choices and be pushed paragon or renegade and not sit the fence. (wish i could find it now). anyhow, i was kind of annoyed at that, because i tended to have kyrie say really neutral things, but i imagine that inside, she's using those 'flat' moments to buy herself time to make up her mind about things. and me, i tend to play 'mixed' alignments, because i find heroes that aren't all badass or shiny paladins are most interesting to me. i like heroes like mal reynolds who's a good guy, but would never admit it, that kind of thing. anyhow, i do feel part of the problem was they limited the range of shepard, and in the last game, when people are most likely to have decided that shepard is *their* character, not just bioware's vision, that's when they're going to notice the lack of choice most.



 I remember reading about that. Sounds more like marketing speak for "We didn't have enough time. We were working under budget/time constraints." Why else would we not have that dialogue with Ashley(if she lives) about the afterlife or Anderson's extended farewell. They might argue that this was due to not wanting to shoe horn Shepard into one personality type, but then that's what extended dialogue options are for.

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Syrdeth wrote...

I dunno, I think she looks really good in ME3. I think all Shepards have this intense "I've been dealing with a lot of crap lately" look to them in ME3.

Here's Maria, who's full Paragon, yet she's got that same intense look.

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Wow.  Maria and Alice could almost be twins!

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JamieCOTC wrote...

She killed Ashely too. The aftermath of that was pretty interesting. Oddly enough, Diane never liked Ashley, never really respected her until Ash made her final stand. She may have been in the wrong, but she took a stand. Diane was proud of her for doing that. Diane is very much like Samara.

Laughed at your Garrus-on-the-wall joke. What was the aftermath of killing Ashley? I'm curious. I just finished a game where I sided with the geth because I was curious to see how the crew reacted to Tali's death and what the geth stand-in at the final battle would have to say as a final farewell. (Ashley took it especially hard and Garrus had some really nice things to say about Tali.)

What's funny is that I prefer to play as a renegade, but this character is paragon just so I can hear the lines I never picked or pick different choices for different outcomes. I feel that Ashley is a renegade so I love having her around. I love her tough ass lines while my Shepard is being diplomatic and considerate. It's a nice balance. Same way with my renegade Shepard and paragon Kaidan. Both Ashley and Kaidan compliment and contrast the Shepard I'm playing at the time. Didn't plan it that way, but hey. ;)

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sagequeen wrote...

@DJ: It's gotta be a tough balance, that's what I assume. As is, I remember seeing an interview where they said they wanted to get rid of the 'neutral' options to force shepard to make hard choices and be pushed paragon or renegade and not sit the fence. (wish i could find it now). anyhow, i was kind of annoyed at that, because i tended to have kyrie say really neutral things, but i imagine that inside, she's using those 'flat' moments to buy herself time to make up her mind about things. and me, i tend to play 'mixed' alignments, because i find heroes that aren't all badass or shiny paladins are most interesting to me. i like heroes like mal reynolds who's a good guy, but would never admit it, that kind of thing. anyhow, i do feel part of the problem was they limited the range of shepard, and in the last game, when people are most likely to have decided that shepard is *their* character, not just bioware's vision, that's when they're going to notice the lack of choice most.

Which is a rather weak excuse, I think. I don't think the neutral version was a way to wriggle out of having to make hard choices. Shepard always had to make hard choices. She was forced to do so since ME1 and it continued in ME2. The neutral choice in ME was never like the charm option in DA:O.

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So I kept tweaking and after zillion tests (had to go in invisible mode to not annoy people who have notifications on :D) I came up with so far the best compromise when it comes to shadows in my opinion.

MaxShadowResolution=4096
bEnableBranchingPCFShadows=True
ShadowTexelsPerPixel=1.300000
ShadowFilterQualityBias=4
ShadowFilterRadius=4
MaxWholeSceneDominantShadowResolution=4096 (not 100% sure what this controls, may not be related to above shadow settings)

Branching PCF shadows looks really nice in ME3 with ShadowFilterQualityBias=4, in ME1 it was impossible to get them look nice. ShadowTexelsPerPixel is pain in the arse. It's kinda like LOD for shadows. Higher means that you get higher shadow resolution from all distances but it has a downside: horrible banding in filtering at certain distances on characters. ShadowFilterRadius=4 offers best edge smoothing in my opinion.

Performance hit? Well, it's definitely not going to make it run faster but in my case no issues.

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Gilsa wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

She killed Ashely too. The aftermath of that was pretty interesting. Oddly enough, Diane never liked Ashley, never really respected her until Ash made her final stand. She may have been in the wrong, but she took a stand. Diane was proud of her for doing that. Diane is very much like Samara.

Laughed at your Garrus-on-the-wall joke. What was the aftermath of killing Ashley? I'm curious. I just finished a game where I sided with the geth because I was curious to see how the crew reacted to Tali's death and what the geth stand-in at the final battle would have to say as a final farewell. (Ashley took it especially hard and Garrus had some really nice things to say about Tali.)

What's funny is that I prefer to play as a renegade, but this character is paragon just so I can hear the lines I never picked or pick different choices for different outcomes. I feel that Ashley is a renegade so I love having her around. I love her tough ass lines while my Shepard is being diplomatic and considerate. It's a nice balance. Same way with my renegade Shepard and paragon Kaidan. Both Ashley and Kaidan compliment and contrast the Shepard I'm playing at the time. Didn't plan it that way, but hey. ;)


There's a really good scene between Joker, EDI and Shepard discussing Cerberus in ME2, Shepard and Garrus talk about all the people they have lost and Liara takes Ash's death the hardest.

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Chignon wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

@DJ: It's gotta be a tough balance, that's what I assume. As is, I remember seeing an interview where they said they wanted to get rid of the 'neutral' options to force shepard to make hard choices and be pushed paragon or renegade and not sit the fence. (wish i could find it now). anyhow, i was kind of annoyed at that, because i tended to have kyrie say really neutral things, but i imagine that inside, she's using those 'flat' moments to buy herself time to make up her mind about things. and me, i tend to play 'mixed' alignments, because i find heroes that aren't all badass or shiny paladins are most interesting to me. i like heroes like mal reynolds who's a good guy, but would never admit it, that kind of thing. anyhow, i do feel part of the problem was they limited the range of shepard, and in the last game, when people are most likely to have decided that shepard is *their* character, not just bioware's vision, that's when they're going to notice the lack of choice most.

Which is a rather weak excuse, I think. I don't think the neutral version was a way to wriggle out of having to make hard choices. Shepard always had to make hard choices. She was forced to do so since ME1 and it continued in ME2. The neutral choice in ME was never like the charm option in DA:O.


Yeah, my Shepard took a lot of neutral options in dialogue. In the big choices it was always either paragon or renegade, so I don't really see what that has to do with removing the middle option for conversations, which was usually less uber-caring angel than paragon and less harsh than the renegade. Sometimes having a middle path between two extremes helps flesh a character out more, because they're not forced to completely sit in one camp or the other, and those camps can get kind of comically exaggerated at times. Though they did do a better job at toning down the renegade/paragon stuff in ME3, but still.

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 Hi, I haven't posted yet in the femshep thread, not to say I haven't been lurking. :)

Anyways, I had an idea I thought to share with the thread.  Photoshopping a photo in to your femshep.  Bioware did it with Tali, albeit hastily, so why not do it with femshep?

Of course we would put more work into photo-shep than BW put in to photo-tali.

On getty images I found a lovely pic that I think would work for a bunch of sheps.

Go ahead, give it a try.  I want to see what others think of this idea.:)

EDIT: so apparently getty doesn't allow image posting w/e.  here's the link http://www.gettyimag...assetType=image

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TheMarshal wrote...

Syrdeth wrote...

I dunno, I think she looks really good in ME3. I think all Shepards have this intense "I've been dealing with a lot of crap lately" look to them in ME3.

Here's Maria, who's full Paragon, yet she's got that same intense look.

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Wow.  Maria and Alice could almost be twins!

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Yeah, my Sheps could be twins with lots of other Sheps here, which is why I didn't post until recently. I didn't think they offered anything unique. But, Raziel convinced me to post and people seem to have genuinelly liked them. :)

Great pic of Alice there!

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Maybe this has been discussed before, but for some reason I picture all other Femsheps I see on here with a different voice. It's a rather odd thought that all our Shepards - different as they are - share the same voice actress! Kudos to Jennifer Hale for making that voice sound right for all of our characters :-)

Also: more Femshep love! :D

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^ Alice is adorable.

Lots of pretty F'Sheps here. :)

Also just have to say, because you're probably here somewhere, mad love for whoever figured out the default hair. It's fricken sweet.

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Madds17 wrote...

 Hi, I haven't posted yet in the femshep thread, not to say I haven't been lurking. :)

Anyways, I had an idea I thought to share with the thread.  Photoshopping a photo in to your femshep.  Bioware did it with Tali, albeit hastily, so why not do it with femshep?

Of course we would put more work into photo-shep than BW put in to photo-tali.

On getty images I found a lovely pic that I think would work for a bunch of sheps.

Go ahead, give it a try.  I want to see what others think of this idea.:)

EDIT: so apparently getty doesn't allow image posting w/e.  here's the link http://www.gettyimag...assetType=image

Hi!
Kind of like making our own version of Shep for in a frame for their LI or somesuch?

We've 'done' photomanips ages ago, with Shep background in mind, we could I suppose always also build on that, or do it again. Anyways, I'm certainly not against the idea, it's cool, but let's brainstorm then what kind of thing we're actually doing yeah?

Which brings me to an excuse to post Raine's manip! Hah!
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yukidama wrote...

Chignon wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

@DJ: It's gotta be a tough balance, that's what I assume. As is, I remember seeing an interview where they said they wanted to get rid of the 'neutral' options to force shepard to make hard choices and be pushed paragon or renegade and not sit the fence. (wish i could find it now). anyhow, i was kind of annoyed at that, because i tended to have kyrie say really neutral things, but i imagine that inside, she's using those 'flat' moments to buy herself time to make up her mind about things. and me, i tend to play 'mixed' alignments, because i find heroes that aren't all badass or shiny paladins are most interesting to me. i like heroes like mal reynolds who's a good guy, but would never admit it, that kind of thing. anyhow, i do feel part of the problem was they limited the range of shepard, and in the last game, when people are most likely to have decided that shepard is *their* character, not just bioware's vision, that's when they're going to notice the lack of choice most.

Which is a rather weak excuse, I think. I don't think the neutral version was a way to wriggle out of having to make hard choices. Shepard always had to make hard choices. She was forced to do so since ME1 and it continued in ME2. The neutral choice in ME was never like the charm option in DA:O.


Yeah, my Shepard took a lot of neutral options in dialogue. In the big choices it was always either paragon or renegade, so I don't really see what that has to do with removing the middle option for conversations, which was usually less uber-caring angel than paragon and less harsh than the renegade. Sometimes having a middle path between two extremes helps flesh a character out more, because they're not forced to completely sit in one camp or the other, and those camps can get kind of comically exaggerated at times. Though they did do a better job at toning down the renegade/paragon stuff in ME3, but still.


Very true. They did manage to do a better job with the Renegade path in ME3 -- it's more about practicality again than "badassery".

I won't be importing another FemShep, though. The removal of the neutral option and the autodialogue make it hard if not impossible for me to RP her in ME3.

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jkthunder wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

goodventure wrote...

Does anyone have a picture of what the ME1 default FemShep face looks like in ME3? I'm curious, now that the import patch works.

Apart from one custom face(had 2 others that i combined in one), i only exclusively use ME1 and 2 default face for all my femshep (arround 6 of them). Bioware hasn't made her import in ME3 possible yet - instead when you load that face from ME2 save, you get a custom Shep put together from the cc, made to look like her - i unfortunately don't have a picture. I haven't played my canon in ME3 yet. So i'm stuck waiting...hopefully they'll make her available soon like they promise to do.


I came to this thread to ask the same exact question as goodventure. I'm really curious to see how the original quick start Jane plays through as a morph to ME2 and what a continued import to ME3 does to her. Did you get a "can't import face" message before the patch? Did it give you any kind of face that even remotely resembles quick start Jane? Pics when you get a chance SaturnRing?
:)

Also curious about quick start Jane's first cousin - preset #1 from ME1 cc. Anyone play her through without alteration to ME3? When I mean alteration, I mean unaltered by you, because I know the ME3 import and cc alters it a ton.

One of these days I hope to marathon through all 3 games with quickstart Jane and/or preset #1


Before the patch, importing the original default would give you the 1rst preset face with a different mouth/hair color option. With the patch it gives you face structure #4 with a few tweak to make her look like former default; you can see right away that it's not her. Being on x box makes it hard to take pics; i'll give you the face code instead (yep she should not have a face code unless new options are added in the cc)


           441.M1A.A4W.269.EEL.63W.3E7.181.GF6.2F4.6G6.114

As you will see, that does not look like former default at all.

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Happy 500th page, ME3 Femshep thread. :)

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and me, i liked the neutral because i liked having kyrie come off as a total icy b*tch much of the time. inside, human, messed-up person. outside, cold, cold, cold. and renegade often (in me1 and me2) came off as dirty harry 'i'm CAHRAZY!' to me, with neutral the cold commander act. so i pulled about half renegade and half neutral lines for her before, but in me3, that attitude translated to the full-up renegade lines.

anyhow, much as i wasn't a huge fan of the 'charm' stuff for da2 (some of the characterization there felt very forced), i did kind of wish they'd just pick a style for paragon, neutral and renegade and then stick to it a little more. the RP element differed fairly wildly from game to game in ME

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