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[Ottemis]

You could say something like, I never quite liked Jacob for XY reason, fair enough others do though, he's just not my type. Or whatnot. State your opinion leaving room for those of others that might differ from yours as being no less valid. My opinion on these things is quite simple., having a negative opinion about something is your right, as long as you don't negatively influence those with a positive opinion, because that's worth more preserving, in a way.

Anyways, the texmod thing, different sort of effect. Since the 'rise' of Femshep, she and in a way her fans have received a lot of flack for it. Specifically towards her look, her suggested age, all kinds of things. People were downright insulting in the past, and it's no doubt left us a bit triggerhappy when we defend these points.
Your texmod remark wasn't even directly linked to it, but responses will mimic a forest fire in a way. The specific comment you made as to 'barbie dolls' directly links to the whole discussion that arose around the 6 chosen defaults and the voting on facebook. When the Blonde one won, a lot of people plain out insulted her saying she looked both too young, like a barbie-doll and not realistic. The responses around her age, hair-color, how young some custom Sheps look, also heightened back then with people complaining about how young the default looked. We actually have alot of 30ish year old (blonde) females in the thread that actually take that as insulting, because well, not every 30 year old looks like a drowned cat, basically =)
Point being, what you said was unintentionally triggering backlash from things that have been discussed for months now. And that specific discussion with the derail attached to it has happened over and over again. It's basically us saying the same things we did back then, while triggered by your remark loosely, not really said 'against' what you initially posted. It's a knee-jerk reaction, in essence.

ToP!


Oh! Btw, forgot to answer AtlasMickey a while back, but my ME3 shots are directly from the game, no after effects in Photoshop or whatnot. I run ENB for ME2 though.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Captain Crash]

*meh Nevermind


V  oh look FemShep 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 15 avril 2012 - 02:13 .

[MizzNaaa]

Really Chugster...I hope you do realize that cursin/swearing/insulting people isn't going to make your point any stronger? I hope you do realize that, cause it's getting annoying how you can't form a sentence without cursing someone. You've already been told, your opinion is valid, but you need to work on your deliverance cause the way you state your opinion makes you sound like a troll, who's here only to provoke people.

I am not, I repeat, I'm NOT saying you're a troll, I'm saying that's how the way you chose to...ah, express, yourself makes it seem so. 

So yeah, tone it down a nudge..or ten.

Moving on from this discussion.

Anybody else got all teary eyed when Joker saluted Shepard?




I was like *blinkblink*

then...



Honestly, all the salutes at the end and the Anderson hug made me want to cry my eyes out

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 15 avril 2012 - 02:16 .

[KateM]

MizzNaaa wrote...

Moving on from this discussion.

Anybody else got all teary eyed when Joker saluted Shepard?

-snip-


I was like *blinkblink*

then...



Honestly, all the salutes at the end and the Anderson hug made me want to cry my eyes out

Ugh, please don't remind me...I was crying like a friggin baby and I never cry. ME3 has turned me into an emotional wreck:pinched:

[nitefyre410]

MizzNaaa wrote...

Moving on from this discussion.

Anybody else got all teary eyed when Joker saluted Shepard?

*snip*


I was like *blinkblink*

then...



Honestly, all the salutes at the end and the Anderson hug made me want to cry my eyes out

 

No it was more this espeically after he high tailed out of there.
 

followed by 


EXPLAIN THIS BULL SH*T  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 15 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Verly]

wow, leave to do tax paperwork and miss a lot. I have been actually thinking of figuring out the workaround for textmod for me3 just to see how the new textmods have come out to see if I like it better then I got with the in game versions.

oh btw, Penny also has the last prominent nose.



I think in some scenes in ME3 femsheps are looking older then the 32 years she is supposed to be. I am 36 and some scenes some of my girls looked older then me at times...and it is also true that femshep has been rebuilt. so that would erase some years as well..well, more then add to her look.

[Chugster]

more Kyra...

the Shepard two-step

getting casual

meeting an old flame

i think this qualifies as an 'oh crap' moment eh Garrus?

A more intimate reunion

Geez Joker...was that you?

nice shiny armor and a big gun


and FYI, i only swear and insult when provoked, so dont make me out to be like a troll

Modifié par Chugster, 15 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[Beba]

off-topic - I'm curious - do you use FRAPS for your screenshots? Or something else?

[Chugster]

i use FRAPS, but cos i have a crap monitor i get big black lines on my cutscenes

[sagefic]

Incoming wall o' text, and I ask this in genuine curiosity folks:

What is the Point of this thread now?

When the thread was originally created on the ME2 forums, and also when it was re-make here, I thought it had a few goals, namely:

1) To promote FemShep in terms of recognition and marketing

2) To Show our love of femshep by
    a) posting femshep art: fics, original pics, vids, etc.
    posting our own sheps in terms of bios, observations about their character
    c) posting screenshots of our shepard as illustrations of the above**

3) To be a one-stop-shop for resources for FemShep (textmods, face codes, info about the CC, flycam, info about backstories, stuff new players of femshep might want to know, etc.)

4) To be a place where people can discuss gameplay and plot insofar as it relates to FemShep


I ask this because it seems like whatever has been posted lately, well, it's not quite that stuff.


Granted, #1 is less of an issue, since ME3 is out now, but there still is DLC coming, and I, for one, really want to make sure that FemShep is released in DLC screenshots and trailers along with Sheploo. If I'm going to buy anything more (hmmm....) I want to at least see how it 'looks' on femshep, so to speak.

And thanks to ELE and Ottemis and others, #3 is still going strong.

With # 2, I have two thoughts:

1 - ** Screenshots are awesome, but I seem to remember back on the old thread, rynluna frequently cautioned us about just posting reams and reams of screenies. I believe the worry was both that the mods disliked that on the forums and ... I don't remember the other reason. While I LOVE seeing the screenies, I must admit that more than 3 pics in a post and I'm skimming. I find I'm skimming a lot of these. I think that was the issue ryn wanted to avoid: having the mods think that this was nothing more than just a 'Share your Shepard' thread. Her original goal - and I believe AD's after her in being the OP of this thread - was to be more than that.

Again, the screens are AWESOME, but it's sheer volume without much commentary that got us skirting trouble with the mods before

2 - The discussions of bios are great when they happen. But, intended or not, discussion of people's own femsheps (and this also gets into #4) have almost immediately decended into hostiity. 

And, hey, I'm raising my hand now and saying I know I've been a part of that. But frankly, I think it needs to stop or there isn't going to be a thread left worth coming to. 

I've gone to lurking ever since it was asserted a while back that people wanted ending discussion to stay out of the thread. Since that (the ending) casts a significant shadow over my perception of femshep's story, I have a hard time ignoring the ending. But while I've been lurking, I have to admit I've seen this trend of just, I don't know, posting femsheps and approving them with a :wub: OR these ongoing arguments that just last pages and pages and that end with someone getting so irritated that they just up and leave the thread.

And I'm sorry, but the original thread was a fun, welcoming place to come and discuss femshep. One of the best things about the FemShep fandom was the warm, welcoming people and the interesting conversations that got going around the subject of femshep, female heroes, mass effect, etc. and how awesome people were about disagreeing without being hostile about it.

That has changed in a big way. It makes me kind of sad, honestly. I'm still feeling like the ME universe may be ruined for me forever, depending on how the DLC goes down. That may be putting too fine a point on it, but there you go. But if the FemShep fandom totally falls apart into bikering over it, well then, frankly, that would be the bigger tragedy to me. The fact that FemShep brought a lot of different people together over a single strong character was awesome. The fact that that community is getting so unwelcoming and hostile is pretty sad.

Again, I am not pointing fingers at anyone, 'cause if I am, I'm pointing one at myself, too. But I guess what I'm saying here is can we please, please, get back to something a little more like 'the old days,' feelings of frustration over the endings/romances/past comments on this thread notwithstanding? I'm saying this to 'new' folks and to the 'old regulars' and to the lurkers and everybody. Back then, if there was meanness, we sidestepped it and moved on. And if people said the old thread was being cliquish (which, hey, it was) that was a good reminder to open up and welcome new folks and new posters.

So hey, as for me, I've had a month and more to mull on the game, and while I do still have some major issues with it (maybe now more than ever) and DLC is a long way off, I still love FemShep and I still respect the folks here and miss the conversations that used to go on. I really would like to see them continue.

After all, DLC is still coming and I hope this community is still being vocal about making sure FemShep gets a good solid showing in that and in the marketing surrounding it.

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Tup3x]

bettak wrote...

off-topic - I'm curious - do you use FRAPS for your screenshots? Or something else?

I use FRAPS but could use EVGA Precision X too since I have it running (custom fan profile and overclock).

@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread. To be honest what happened in the end essentially killed all the possible talk about what happens after this all is over for Shepard. It also kinda made talk what has been feel pointless (even if it really shouldn't be the case).

Modifié par Tup3xi, 15 avril 2012 - 03:01 .

[sagefic]

Tup3xi wrote...
@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread.

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well, floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[Tup3x]

sagequeen wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread.

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well, floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

I'd like that and I'm certainly trying.

[Ottemis]

What I've personally noticed is that some feel so verbally strong about the endings, they are fast to jump to conclusions as to what others are feeling or think about it and are quite insulting when jumping to conclusions. Personally, this has created a rift between me specifically, and certain people in this fandom.

What's saddening about this is that people resent others for both not agreeing with them and having a differing opinion or interpretation, or way of dealing with what is a LET-DOWN for almost everybody.

People seem to forget that in this case, opinion and speculation is all valid, and recognizing it as such, you can hardly be mad or disappointment in the viewpoint of another. We stand together in this disappointment, not devided into groups that think differing things. In essence we don't, we just let our feelings get ahead of ourselves and overreacted towards each other.

Avoiding a rift is as simple as realising we are still in essense the same, we feel the same things, and stepping past it.
Respond to eachother with that knowledge in mind.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 avril 2012 - 03:09 .

[sagefic]

Tup3xi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

 Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

I'd like that and I'm certainly trying.

Nod.

edit:

Ottemis wrote...

What I've personally noticed is that some feel so verbally strong about the endings, they are fast to jump to conclusions as to what others are feeling or think about it and are quite insulting when jumping to conclusions. Personally, this has created a rift between me specifically, and certain people in this fandom.

What's saddening about this is that people resent others for both not agreeing with them and having a differing opinion or interpretation, or way of dealing with what is a LET-DOWN for almost everybody.

People seem to forget that in this case, opinion and speculation is all valid, and recognizing it as such, you can hardly be mad or disappointment in the viewpoint of another. We stand together in this disappointment, not devided into groups that think differing things. In essence we don't, we just let our feelings get ahead of ourselves and overreacted towards each other.

 

Well said, ottemis. And in that, I have to again say, I'm sorry that I was a part of that. 

I guess I'm kind of hoping that now that we're a ways out from the intital shock of the endings - and romances for many - that we can think before we type a little more and get back to something more civil? That is my hope, anyhow. 

I mean, part of me still is raging over the endings, truly. But at this point, I'm ready to just say, hey, if you liked them - or disliked them for other reasons than me - that's your perogative. I'll keep my rantings to my blog, if any rantings com up. That way being subjected to opinions of things non-critically femshep is optional so far as the thread is concerned.

As for me, I really want to , as you say, be standing together in disappointment over somethings AND standing together in going forward that we want to see more FemShep love.  Heck, if they ever do an ME4, I imagine i'll still be wanting to hear just a little easter egg to tell me that femshep is doing well and having those blue babies or whatever your femshep is doing.

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[Verly]

I'll have to admit the infighting well, everywhere on BSN, caused me to leave for a few weeks and play other games. I would hate to see this tread die, and I hope we can get back to how we were before. It is harder for me because I am someone that liked the endings so I feel like the odd person out and I am not a normal debater, so I do not feel the need to explain why I like the endings, and it's fine for me that others do not.

It's sad that I packed the game away for a few weeks, not because I didn't like the game, but because the happy buss I had for it was killed by a few minutes on the forums. I used to be able to at least "hide" out in here, but it infected this thread as well.

I am not saying everyone has to be happy and only post happy thoughts, that would be silly, I just wish there was a way for all of us to express our feelings without it becoming an argument that lasts pages.

for old time's sake...here's a femshep smirk

[Fraevar]

sagequeen wrote...

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? How do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

The sense of community in this thread has declined, I agree with you on that. And I'm not even going to say the reaction to the ME3 ending in and by itself caused that, but rather how some people decided to react to those
with a different reaction to the ending.

Some took it upon themselves to make certain topics tabboo in this thread, to the point of attempting to invalidate even critiquing the ending and simply writing off anyone who mentioned that it had a negative impact on their Mass Effect experience as "haters" or "flamers". Which was not the case.

Cultivating an atmosphere like that does not create a sense of community - it creates camps - factions if you will, always trying to take the other "side" down whenever anyone thought to associate with them posts anything. It could also completely discourage anyone simply on the fence of those issues from posting at all, for fear of getting caught up in that. We can get past this - but it requires that we all step back and accept that people have different experiences with the ending and the series now, and just be civil about it when discussing it. It won't get better by blacklisting topics themselves, because that creates a bad sense of tension. A sense that "dissent" will not be tolerated.

And yes - discussing the ending is relevant to this thread - a lot of us saw the femShep we came to know and love completely thrown under the bus by the past 10 minutes of ME3. That causes a reaction, and as long as the form of the discussion surrounding that reaction is done in a positive fashion, I don't see any problem with it.

The pic spam was indeed checked regularly in the old thread - the rule of thumb was three pictures per post, and preferably with some sort of reasoning behind posting. If you simply wanted to share, that was great - but you were expected to at least put a few sentences into the post as well. Not going to point fingers there, because I've done that myself the few times I've been back in this thread since release. But that is absolutely fixable.

/TLDR mode

Yes we can get past it, and I would love to.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 15 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[SaturnRing]

raziel1980 wrote...

 I'm not done with Gianna's playthrough yet...but I decided to go ahead and import Gabriella(Gabby) into ME 3 tonight to see how she would turn out...
- machiavellian snip -
Gabby in ME 3... I had to tweak her abit...mostly change the eyebrow color(again) and lessen the spacing of her eyes and eyebrows...

I'll be following her closely. It'll be interesting to see how she'll respond to ME3 events. Because of who she is, i'm anticipating real difficult choices from her part.

[MizzNaaa]

sagequeen wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread.

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well, floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

You know, I've been thinking about that lately. I really hate how ME3's short comings broke...or is breaking the community we had. The FemShep thread was really an awesome place to be, it was the reason I became more active on the BSN. Now...yeah, I'm guilty of everything you just said myself. For the short time I've been here (cause I haven't been very active) I did contribute to the negativity there, and I'm sorry for that.

I really do hope people go back to the old ways, when we sidestepped arguments, and moved on. Regularly asked FemShep questions, posted FemShep art and fanfic, and reviewed said art and fanfic, and discussed... Well, FemShep.

[SaturnRing]

Anji Artemis wrote...

My femsheps.

Olivia - Paragon/Soldier


Angela - Paragon/Soldier


Janet - Renegade/Sentinel

They look really cool. Tell us more about them.


Never mind, i just read the additional info you posted about their bios. They're awesome

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[Silver]

Tup3xi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread.

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well, floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

I'd like that and I'm certainly trying.

I'm with both of you on that.
At one point I almost gave up on this thread, and that was also because of the endings.
Yes, I was the one that said "stop the ending-discussion" but not only because it was getting on my ****** at the time, but because it always devolved into open hostility between the people who liked the ending and the people that didn't. I'm making a broad generalization here on purpose, not because I don't see the shades of gray in both those aspects, but because i'm not sure I could properly word them.

I still love the Mass Effect games, I love the characters, and more importantly I love the people I got to know through it all. It would be a real tragedy if all that went to waste.

That said, i'm not against discussions of any kind, but I would like to see people treat each other with the same respect here, as they treated one another in the old thread.

[sagefic]

 Well said verly, mizz, silver. And hey, Mizz, you propose a totally wonderful way of moving on. FemShep questions! yes. wonderful idea. Okay, here's one I know has been brought up before, but it's been a while.

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?



Me, I think I said before I went from 90/10 to 70/30 to 60/40 paragon/renegade through me1, 2, and 3. Weirdly, however, that growing renegade streak actually corresponded with what i thought was a growing sense of conviction in shepard to 'do the right thing,' but that would mean taking tough choices upon herself and cutting certain people less slack. She tends to talk a big renegade/neutral game, but makes a lot of paragon decisions. so i really felt that was the way BW assigned points that made her renegade score shoot up so high. although, i would have pulled a LOT more renegade persuades in me2 if i'd been able to. i seriously wanted that renegade persuade for the thane interrogation scene. "I'm a spectre. End discussion"

how 'about other sheps?

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[Syrdeth]

sagequeen wrote...

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past
that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us
completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it
possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost'
ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain
ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that
would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and
what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It
seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well,
floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and
folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

Speaking as a former lurker, I can say that I haven't posted much lately for a variety of reasons.

First, I am staying out of the arguments intense discussions on purpose. No good will come from me trying to join in.

Second, I have very few ME3 screenshots of either of my FemSheps. I didn't have Fraps running my first only playthrough and the ones I do have are from when I went back to my saves and made videos. I've posted them all so far. I do have a bunch of ME2 shots, and taking more almost daily with Maria's playthrough, but I'm not sure if those are 'on-topic'.

Third, this thread moves fast at times. That's not a complaint, just an observation. The discussions I want to join in on are usually over when I see them and you guys are onto another topic. I've tried to reply to them anyways, but it seems my replies get lost. Oh well.

Say what you will about ME3, good, bad or indifferent, but one thing it seems to have done is polarize us and that's a shame. I really do hope there is a way we can get past it and just get back to what brought us together in the first place. Our love of ME in general and of FemShep in particular.

I re-read all that and saw that it could be considered whining or complaining, sorry, that's not my intent. Just my humble observations.

edit: One thing I have noticed (and it's not just a symptom of this thread, but of the internet in general) is that it's easy to misinterpret honest debate and disagreement with flaming and/or hating. But, maybe that's just me.

Modifié par Syrdeth, 15 avril 2012 - 03:23 .

[CrazyRah]

silverhammer08 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
@sage
I think that the ending and disappointment caused by that might have had some side effects in atmosphere in this thread.

Oh, totally. I completely agree.

I guess...

/sigh

I guess what I'm REALLY asking is - is there any way we can get past that and move forward more positively? I mean, before some of us completely give up on this thread - and possibly this fandom - is it possible to be positive and have a community here. We may have 'lost' ME, depending upon how you view the ending. We may have 'lost' certain ones of our femsheps. But to lose all the community here? To me, that would be the really sad thing.

So, that's what I'm saying and what I'm asking: What's the goal for this thread from here on out? It seems - and really, truly, no offense meant by this - to be um, well, floundering along between people trying to put a good face on things and folks actively getting frustrated with and insulting one another.

Heck, maybe I'm adding to the problem with an insult there. If so, that's not my intention. But my question is how do we get past Horizon er.... Get past stuff that may have sucked and continue on? (<-- sorry, just reminded me of that line)

I'd like that and I'm certainly trying.

I'm with both of you on that.
At one point I almost gave up on this thread, and that was also because of the endings.
Yes, I was the one that said "stop the ending-discussion" but not only because it was getting on my ****** at the time, but because it always devolved into open hostility between the people who liked the ending and the people that didn't. I'm making a broad generalization here on purpose, not because I don't see the shades of gray in both those aspects, but because i'm not sure I could properly word them.

I still love the Mass Effect games, I love the characters, and more importantly I love the people I got to know through it all. It would be a real tragedy if all that went to waste.

That said, i'm not against discussions of any kind, but I would like to see people treat each other with the same respect here, as they treated one another in the old thread.

Very well said Silver, very well said indeed. Here have a cookie! 

What i miss the most is that people could have an opinion and that was awesome! That you could throw the opinion out there and get some reasonable discussion and that at least people agreed to disagree and sometimes people could develop that opinion into something more. I still love FemShep no matter what and the community around here is special and i like it a lot. Lets no destroy it shall we? 

[Fraevar]

@Sage: I did a deliberate morality shift for Lena, my other femShep because I wanted to try RP'ing her as having taken Project Lazarus as a very bad thing. Haven't managed to get her into ME3 yet because the new CC isn't playing nice with her face, but I liked the idea of actually letting the trauma of dying affect Shepard in a way, in this case making her a lot more ruthless whenever someone confronts her. She totally told the batarians on Omega off, instead of just sending them on their way, like she would have done in the past. I actually like the challenge of making a non-physical Renegade Shepard. Besides - most of the Renegade threats sound downright bone-chilling when coming from Jen Hale.

CrazyRah wrote...

Very well said Silver, very well said indeed. Here have a cookie! 

What
i miss the most is that people could have an opinion and that was
awesome! That you could throw the opinion out there and get some
reasonable discussion and that at least people agreed to disagree and
sometimes people could develop that opinion into something more. I still
love FemShep no matter what and the community around here is special
and i like it a lot. Lets no destroy it shall we? 

So true. Well said, Rah. That's exactly the reason the old thread went on for nearly 2000(!) pages. We could disagree civilly. Let's get back to that.

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