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[Captain Crash]

I feel you sage.

Part of the problem is the angry attitudes on this forum are passively entering this thread.  People are feeling forced to strongly defend their opinions of late and this has transferred into this thread I feel.  People are seeing tones in posts that arnt there whether its the question being asked or a misinterpretation of the reply.  This then escalates.   Im sure things will calm down soon, but right now there is a lot emotion about ME3. The fact AD asks not to debate the end shows how contraversial and mixed peoples feelings are.   The end is part of FemSheps journey, it should be discussed, but because of the hightened emotions about it things quickly turn for the worse.

Anyway about the current state of the thread.  The original intent was always to get FemShep recognition.  It was an underlying theme that meant we all got along because we wanted to be united in our effort.   Now thats been accomplished it more about disscussing our FemSheps, their journey and what makes them who they are.  This is different to each person and so not everyone will have the same opinion.   There no reason we cant discuss this like what has always happened,  we still a united front in my eyes.  I genuinely do think we will go back to that, things are just a little tense at the moment because of other events and emotions bubbling over.  Its happening in other fan threads as well.  No ones immune. 

As for screenshots.   I really dont like the massive screen dumps.  Three per post is more then enough and if quoting, link the pic rater then repeat it.   

[CrazyRah]

sagequeen wrote...

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?

My Shep has always been between 70/30 and 50/50. I think in ME1 she's the most paragon and the least renegade points and as her story progress she ends up closer to 60/40 and in ME2 she's at times 50/50 before some major paragon decisions happen. In ME3 she start out almost 50/50 and jumps between 60/40 and 50/50 for a good period before she nicely settle herself at just above 60/40. How Bioware changed how they assigned the points probably had some part in this but overall i always felt that she became way tougher and more renegade after ME1 and then kept that tough line for the rest of the game. She was always tough and wasn't afraid of making sacrifices to achive her goals so her alignment overall changed very little.


I think this is how she ended up in the last run in ME2

[sagefic]

Captain Crash wrote...
As for screenshots.   I really dont like the massive screen dumps.  Three per post is more then enough and if quoting, link the pic rater then repeat it.   

says the one who's been keeping massive archives of them. 

Now i remember - we kept the screenshot number down for that reason, too, for your sake.

And I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who is seriously wanting the discussion to continue civily and return to, as you said, A United FemShep Front.




Scary thought. 

(by ELE^)

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[RainyDayLover]

sagequeen wrote...

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?

how 'about other sheps?

Yes, deliberate. In ME1, 90% of the time...I picked either renegade or neutral responses (more so neutral because renegade dialogue was too over-the-top at times) and my renegade meter was full. Basically, my femshep was a total b!tch to everyone including all of the squadmates and her LI, Liara.

In ME2, I actually modded the game to give me full renegade/paragon points because I hated the fact you didn't get access to all the dialog if you didn't have enough points in the corresponding alignments...and I played a true mix of paragon/renegade here. My femshep had trust issues with everyone (except Garrus and Tali) aboard the Normandy but she grew to trust them with her life by the end of the game.

I got lucky in ME3 as it was my deliberate intention to make her into a kind/compassionate person and because of how the game forces the paragon route on you what with the auto-dialogue etc. Some of the stuff she says in the game, she never would have said back during the events of ME1/2 but in light of her transformation, it worked beautifully. But that's not to say she didn't lose her temper during the game...for example, when Admiral Gerrel fired on that dreadnaught...oh boy, did she lose it.

I tried to make this transformation across the three games as subtle as possible and I would have really liked to take her through ME1-ME3 again if it weren't for....well...right....we're not talking about that again.

Modifié par RainyDayLover, 15 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[Beba]

 but...but...I love to be here, and...all femSheps here are amazing, and ....and... :crying::crying:

[Syrdeth]

sagequeen wrote...

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?

how 'about other sheps?

I'm one of those "odd folks" that plays extremes. My two FemSheps (so far, I wish I had the drive to make more) are polar opposites. Kendra is full Renegade and Maria is full Paragon. I can only speak about Kendra since she's the only one that went through all three games. (so far)

I'm still working on her background. It started out as a profile, but I felt constrained by the one or two sentence answers. The blank template profile was a good starting point for me, though, thanks to whomever it was that intially made it. The pendolum swings between "why am I bothering to write this" and "the words, they scream to come out!" almost daily.

Anyways, I see Kendra as flawed. Deeply flawed. And she knows it. And feels at this point there's nothing she can do about it. In her eyes, all the stuff she's done, she's irredeemable. She's got a temper, a short fuse, and tends to react before thinking. And she no longer cares about the consequences. It's almost like she has a death wish.

The run up to the beam (I'm gonna totally avoid the ending), I was thinking that she was thinking "Okay, here we go. Don't know what's gonna happen. Probably gonna end up sacrificing myself in some way, but at least I'll do ONE good thing in my life."

People are probably gonna call BS on that, but I really did think that about her during that run to the beam. I was NOT happy at the prospect, but I had resigned myself to it. I had tears in my eyes during that run up.

If I had only known...

"Tell your friends we're coming for them!" Kendra at her best.



God, I miss her, flaws and all.

Excuse me, it seems my house is perpetually dusty and I need to get it out of my eyes...

Modifié par Syrdeth, 15 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Tup3x]

sagequeen wrote...

 Well said verly, mizz, silver. And hey, Mizz, you propose a totally wonderful way of moving on. FemShep questions! yes. wonderful idea. Okay, here's one I know has been brought up before, but it's been a while.

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?

/Kyrie

Me, I think I said before I went from 90/10 to 70/30 to 60/40 paragon/renegade through me1, 2, and 3. Weirdly, however, that growing renegade streak actually corresponded with what i thought was a growing sense of conviction in shepard to 'do the right thing,' but that would mean taking tough choices upon herself and cutting certain people less slack. She tends to talk a big renegade/neutral game, but makes a lot of paragon decisions. so i really felt that was the way BW assigned points that made her renegade score shoot up so high. although, i would have pulled a LOT more renegade persuades in me2 if i'd been able to. i seriously wanted that renegade persuade for the thane interrogation scene. "I'm a spectre. End discussion"

how 'about other sheps?

Alignment was paragon in every game. In first Mass Effect she was 99% (if no 100%) pure paragon. In ME2 however she had full paragon bar but renegade bar was more than 1/5. Somewhat similar situation in ME3 too. I guess that in first game she was a bit shy (wanted to please everyone, didn't want to start arguing) and could listen to boulsheit without snapping. That changed a bit later on. She's not evil and always tries to make the right thing without sacrificing people, but in some cases where the outcome is obvious, she pulls the Indiana Jones move. She's now a bit more vocal (and physical ) when someone pulls idiotic move.

I'd never see her go full renegade.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 15 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[sagefic]

bettak wrote...

 but...but...I love to be here, and...all femSheps here are amazing, and ....and... :crying::crying:

Oh, hey. Not sure what you mean by that, but let me be totally clear: I think everyone here is great and should be welcome to be here. My only issues were with continuing trend of negative tone and just wishing that instead of reams of screenshots, we could try to go back to limiting ourselves to no more than 3 screenshots per post.

That's all.

love you being here, too, bettak 


also, - wow, alignments are interesting. i thought some of these folks were the total opposite from what people say they are. just goes to show the screens don't always tell the full story of what people chose

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Verly]

What's your Shep's general alignment (paragon/renegade) and did it change significantly over the 3 games? Also, do you think that change reflects a change in character (your character significantly became kinder or tougher, or whatever) or was that just because bioware changed up the way they assigned points?

Penny Shepard, is a spacer/war hero. One of those types that do the right thing always, so in ME1 she was very paragon. even so much that she had started flirting with Kaidan, but in the end saved Ash because she thought it would be easier to save her out of a firefight then save Kaidan at the bomb site. She's pretty reserved as well. In ME2 she woke up working for the enemy. at no point did her opinion sway of what Cerberus was. She began racking up renegade points because she started taking out her frustrations of working with 'the enemy" on just about every merc she came in contact with. she also sabotaged Cerberus whenever the game allowed her to. There was a short mission where a Cerberus agent had been caught and she sent that intel to the alliance, and of course she saved david archer. This has changed her from always doing the right thing and changed her from being so so so by the book.
I have just started her with ME3, so I'm not sure how it's going to turn out yet.



Xiu Shepard is my uber paragon...she only as a slight bit of renegad and that was only because her love Liara asked her to some computer hacking for her. (and will have her go stabby stabby for Thane). She was not going to have working for Cerbrus change her at all. It was important to her that she stayed strong and stayed herself.



Roslyn is an earthborn/sole surviver. She is and was a mix of renegade and paragon. She's lost everyone in her life, she never had a family and her squad died on acuse. even toombs shot himself. Kaidan died on vermier. Jacob her love in MS2 died during the suicide mission. She is human focused, but does not like Cerberus. Kadain, and Ashley went everywhere with her in ME1 and she had Miranda and Jacob go with her nearly everywhere in ME2. she figured that you should have your enemies close to you so you can keep and eye on them..not realising that even though she didn't like the company or the boss, that Miranda would become a dear friend, and that Jacob would become someone she would fall for.


Octavia Shepard.
she is my mostly renegade. she is earthborn/ruthless. She is usually kind to her crew and those on her team but anyone else is fair game. the truth is that the only major renegade action she had in ME1 was killing the queen. everything else was by talking a big game, but doing the right thing in the end. Her renegade/paragon scale pretty much evens out, but since she elected to not have the corrective surgery her renegade scaring flare up at times. She may be my renegade, but she also did not like cerburus or what it stands for. She couldn't explain it to anyone why she fell for Kaidan, and why she stayed loyal to him through everything. she has a bit of a secret, she has a huge crush on garrus, and almost even suggested they do somethnig about it, but in the end she coudln't do it. She couldnt' do that to Kaidan, and she coudlnt' do that to Garrus.


I'm replaying everyone in ME3 so I don't know if I'll keep the same decisions or change them..we'll see when I get there.

[Captain Crash]

sagequeen wrote...

Captain Crash wrote...
As for screenshots.   I really dont like the massive screen dumps.  Three per post is more then enough and if quoting, link the pic rater then repeat it.   

says the one who's been keeping massive archives of them. 

Now i remember - we kept the screenshot number down for that reason, too, for your sake.

Yep,  I had a right nightmare trying to keep track of this thread as it popularity increased 

Fortunately I dont need to do it anymore with the onset of FemShep.com and the Deviantart group  But yeah I was certainly dedicated back in the day.  I want to keep that dedication, FemShep is still the best protagonist in gaming and as long as we remember that and why were posting here Im sure things will be fine. Its easy to respect peoples preferences and opinions and still disagree.  



Also a mass of screenies buries the text.  Its sad to see someones 20 minute post get buried under 30 seconds of quoting of photos.  Thats another little knitpick about it.   Not saying I hate screenies!  I love them.  I just dont like scrolling through tons in a row.  Mainly because I start skipping them like you sage and therefore dont appreciate them, taking away the meaning of the post.  Too much of a good thing.

But anyway, here have a hug!  :happy:

 

http://humangrotesqu...t/Hug-296015046 

[Beba]

sagequeen wrote...

bettak wrote...

 but...but...I love to be here, and...all femSheps here are amazing, and ....and... :crying::crying:

Oh, hey. Not sure what you mean by that, but let me be totally clear: I think everyone here is great and should be welcome to be here. My only issues were with continuing trend of negative tone and just wishing that instead of reams of screenshots, we could try to go back to limiting ourselves to no more than 3 screenshots per post.

That's all.

love you being here, too, bettak 


also, - wow, alignments are interesting. i thought some of these folks were the total opposite from what people say they are. just goes to show the screens don't always tell the full story of what people chose

oh,I was worried 

I think we all need this:whistle:

http://epantiras.dev...2-075-275709695

[Elorin Silverblade]

Mostly paragon with a smattering of renegade here and there.

[meonlyred]

Well said Sage. But also remember the old thread it was never allowed for someone to insult and bash a love interest nor was attacks against certain Shepards looks. The plot is a touche subject because a lot of us here feel very strongly one way other the other about it. I know I certainly do.

Been seeing a lot of new faces here so how about we restart by introducing our Shepards again. I'll start but I won't share all mine since I have five. Not as many has Aislinn small army but still. Here is my main.

So let me start with the one everyone knows:
Zody Shepard.
http://cloud.steampo...41EE1C77AF5C98/

She wasn't my first but she was the first that I might a conscious effort to role play. With several of my Shepard they are made with a LI in mind. Hers is Kaidan, I knew I wanted her to be beautiful. I had Amy Lee and Eva Green in mind while making her. As I've said before I'm a fan of dark hair and figures with pale eyes. I also knew I wanted to make her tragic, thus colonist and sole survivor. I imagine she came from a loving and supporting family that was violently taken from her. Later Akuze where despite everything she tried everyone died. These factors lead her to believe she has to be the one to stand between the innocence and the villainous. She prefers to be the candle in the dark, it is there she can do the most good.

I call her my grey paragon because she while she might max her paragon bar fast, she isn't exactly wholesome. She loves her alcohol, she is also cheeky and can be a bit naughty, favored with a dash of cynicism. She also has been known to take her share of renegade interrupts. Mainly the ones that involved killing someone. Like the merc in Miranda's loyalty mission or the Krogan in Mordin's. Though she waits until he mentions keeping salarians as slaves and eating their eggs. She isn't a fan of slavery or needless cruelty.

http://cloud.steampo...D8F8A9627CF311/

However, she does have a strong sense of justice. Crime does not go unpunished. She will not flat out kill anyone unless they leave her no choice. But she has been know to pursue her prey with tenacious determination.

She is also one of the biggest supporters of the Alliance. They saved her life on Mindoir and gave her shattered life direction. I give her a slight Revolutionary Girl Utena mentality, why be the damsel in distress who needs to be rescued by the hero, when you can be the hero and rescue the damsel. Also with the intolerant attitude that some have against biotics, she found the Alliance to one place that not only allowed biotic but also valued them.

While she is supportive of and positive of her friends her attitude towards herself is a bit dark. She doesn't think she will ever be 'normal' and have things she finds simple and quaint, the things she wants the most. I see her as the type who would buy knickknacks and other old fashion home decor because that is what a house is 'supposed' to have. She might read Better Houses and Gardens and try to make her house look like that because she would think that is 'normal.'

Kaidan was her 'normal' he isn't over the top. He isn't a chest pumping badass and that is exactly what she wants. His past issues have been dealt with and he doesn't need her to fix him. Their problems only come from the present situation with Cerberus. But she truly loves him and he is the one thing she wants for herself. The one moment in her life where she is selfish.

Garrus is her best friend. He is her brother and her comrade. There is no Shepard without Vakarian. I love how their relationship went from student to closest friend from ME1 to ME3.



And if you want to read more about her, We're In This Together. The fic I wrote about her. Self promotion FTW!!

[Tup3x]

As much as I would like to dump my whole screenshot folder in one post, I do agree with CC. Massive screenshot posts do sometimes overshadow other posts. *Cough* I may have been involved in pic spam myself (though, I've obeyed the 5 pic limit) but I really try to avoid that.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 15 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[Verly]

I think my above post works as an introduction as well.

opps, I missed Quinn. how did I forget Quinn?

probably my fault for having 5 femsheps..wait, now it's 6 with then newly made Nora

including the four listed above her's the intro to my other two

this is Quinn. she is a soldier.  colonist and a war hero.  she is very much a paragon, but chose some renegade actions here and there in ME2 when it made since.
She is very much smitten with Kadian, and understands his problems about Cerberus. 


and this is my newbie Nora.  I used the comic for ME2 so I didn't actually play through ME1 with her. but I think I'll be able to come up with something as I play.  apparently with the comic you can pick that someone was in a relationship in ME1, even if they do not survive the game... so it shows that she was in a romance with Kaidan even though he died on virmier.  his picture is even up in her room.   I made her a spacer/sole surviver. (therefore she will not like Cerberus...they were the instigator in that  thresher maul attack) I'm also thinking that because of acuse she did not adjust well. she will be a renegade.  and she will romance garus.
(mainly because I don't have a femshep that has yet, and I hear the romance is pretty sweet)

Modifié par Verly, 15 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[Jane Shepard]

Captain Crash wrote...
But anyway, here have a hug!  :happy:

 

http://humangrotesqu...t/Hug-296015046 

That's so sweet! Liara is a very good person. My Shep's best friend

I love that episode when she shares her memories with Shepard before the final battle...



And that scene on the Normandy...

[Silver]

Okay, here's a first Screenshot of Bailie, can't really say a lot about her right now as I haven't fully fleshed out her backstory yet, but she's a spacer like Talia

Modifié par silverhammer08, 15 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[JamieCOTC]

Policy on pics - Ryn came up w/ five pics per post for any reason back on the old thread.  We sort of policed it ourselves and on rare occasions Ryn would ask people to back off a tad. That policy made it into the ME3 OP as well. I know because I wrote it.  

You may post pics, art, links to fanfic and fan vids in this thread provided you are the owner of the “art work” you are posting. Otherwise, please give credit to artist. Also, pics should be limited to 5 per post. Posts with more than 5 pics may be considered spam and posting spam is against the rules of this forum. If you have any more questions, please contact me via PM. Thank you.

Policy on Disagreements - Again, from the OP:

Offensive sexist remarks of any kind WILL be reported. Trolls should be ignored and reported. Disagreements are fine so long as they are civil in nature. Please reply to posts as if you were speaking face to face, but remember, “Just being honest” is not a license to be a jerk. Keep on topic and, as the forum rules state, please refrain from using this thread as a chat room or mentioning page counts. If you must go off topic, please move your discussions to our group or website’s chat room.

[MizzNaaa]

sagequeen wrote...

how 'about other sheps?

I love how you developed Kyrie!

For me, it was 100% paragon (except when she spoke to Harkin) in ME1, that degraded a bit and the renegade went up slightly in ME2, in ME3 it was the same as well.

For me, it is related to how I developed Jennifer. She was the perfect soldier in ME1, PR dream really. Even in her background that was reflected, she's a spacer kid and a war hero. Then ME2 happened, and her whole world as she knew it began to fall apart. She was no longer the perfect soldier, she was a terrorist, working with terrorist organization (No matter how much she tried to yell that she's working WITH and not FOR them) it still affected her, then arrival happened, and Jennifer began to get the real taste of what the reaper war would been. There was no heroic sacrifice, there was no heroism. There was -as Garrus put it- hard arithmetic. It was kill 300000 batarians or the whole galaxy. Save this group or that group, who is more useful, who's more galactic readiness, so to speak.

That, coupled with Jennifer's death and return, put quite a strain on Jenn, and she was literally cracking. So, she became more prone to losing her temper, for reference Jenn was absolutely calm and diplomatic before, and the more time passed, the more she realized she needed to have more conviction and she needed to make the tough calls no one else could ever make. That came at the cost of her own 'perfection' and 'paragonness'.

I'm definitely trying to flesh that out much more in the fanfic I'm writing. *sighs* one of these days, I'll post that fanfic, I promise.

[Wulfram]

Marianne got more purely Paragon as things went on. I think she just calmed down a bit, and the renegade choices which tempted her - basically the ones where you execute the bad guys became less frequent.

(I don't have a picture of her because I don't take screenshots on my initial runthroughs)

Elizabeth was consistently moderately Renegade.

Generally, she was quite determined to save everyone she could, but also dedicated to killing the bad guys - she's a Colonist/Ruthless. And she prefers to shout and wave guns at people rather than appeal to their better nature. The oddest moment was probably getting the Paragon persuade option with Legion and Tali, despite having the full Renegade glowing eyes at the time.

The only Shepard I had who changed significantly in alignment was Naomi.

She was a very straight Paragon in ME1, except for choosing to "concentrate on sovereign" because she considered that the correct military decision, and wasn't going to gamble the galaxy to save the council. And she got to Virmire too quickly for Wrex to survive. She remained extremely paragon in ME2, except that she refused to cover up Tali's father's crimes.

Then in ME3, she made a big Renegade decision by killing Mordin and sabotaging the cure for Salarian support. Military necessity again was the reasoning, but the guilt started wearing away at her. Then the Quarians and Tali died because of her decisions, which pretty much broke her heart. From then on, she spoke of determination and hard necessity, not hope and idealism. Though since this is near the end of the game and there weren't many big decisions left, the game still had her as almost 4/5ths Paragon.

Modifié par Wulfram, 15 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[Verly]

good good, I had thought the count was 5 pictures, I've been really careful to only post that many whenever I have posted anything. I take about 50 pictures,..throw away a ton of them and share about 5 . lol

[Discrepancy]

Jane Shepard wrote...

Yes, all endings are very emotional. But as Catalyst said destroying the Reapers will destroy all synthetic life. And that means to kill EDI and all Geth.


But at least Earth can be saved.

Yeah, that's the stickler. I absolutely *love* EDI - she has such a wonderful character arc. It's nice to see AIs that don't go rogue (as opposed to, say, GLaDOS). I just want Jane, the Geth, *and* EDI to live! Is that really too much to ask for, eh, Bioware? 

As for Jane's alignment: she's an earthborn war hero. Having grown up in an overcrowded orphanage where she received very little personal attention, she decided to join a gang at the age of 14 and quickly became one of its leaders due to her aggressiveness and tactical skills. After years and years of petty crime as well as a few robberies, she and her squadmates ended up accidentally killing a child during a bank robbery: this experience hit home, and Jane decided to leave the streets and join the Alliance. Although it was a scarring and traumatizing experience, it made her realize that deep down, she wasn't truly renegade - thus, in ME, ME2, and ME3, she chose all the Paragon options in order to atone for her crimes. Seeing the child get blown up in Vancouver was yet another reminder of her somewhat tragic past. I think this is why she and Garrus are such a good match; her attitude also rubbed off on him. She's also a voracious reader and loves the classics - she likes to think she was named after Jane Austen. Her middle name is Elizabeth.

Modifié par Discrepancy, 15 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[SaturnRing]

silverhammer08 wrote...

Okay, here's a first Screenshot of Bailie, can't really say a lot about her right now as I haven't fully fleshed out her backstory yet, but she's a spacer like Talia

- machiavellian snip -

Cool. Looking forward to seeing what class or a psyc profile you'll pick for her.

[Chugster]

appreciating the view

saluting the grunts

big stupid jellyfish

man the 3D on this screen is great

in command