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[sagefic]

 thanks for the kind words, guys. it's sure nice having kyrie back.

also, i put up a blog post on gametourists with links to various resources for recreating import sheps to look right again.

Mass Effect 3 Import Tools (or, some ways you can try and get your shep looking like her old self again)

special thanks to ottemis and ele and other people who pointed me on to these resources

i found the results were very interesting, so i wanted to share



edit: top shep. 3 for the price of 1: straight up imports from me1

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[LadyAly]

Oh @Sage this is great. I just bookmarked it. Maybe I need it for Chiara - I have no idea how she is turning out in ME3
Also I have still my Liaramancer Judy on hold ... dunno if I will play her.

The hours of fiddle Carry together taught me a hard lesson.

Thanks to you all for the praise and approval for Carry - makes me happy :happy:

Not sure If I ever told here about her background

Carry Shepard

Earthborn - well - means she fought her way through the criminal life in the big township without getting to hard scratched and involved. The Military  Career was her way to escape as soon as possible, though.
War Hero . she never saw herself as such after Elysium. She always said it was her duty to safe this lifes and Elysium - not more and not less.
She is a Adept, able to co- ordinate the biotic powers to the max with her squad.

The best moment in her life was finding Garrus. He grew to her best friend during the Saren hunt and at some point she just realized how much she cared about him. Maybe just as Archangel on Omega stands before her - her heart did some extra beatings <3

Modifié par LadyAly, 15 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[nitefyre410]

SaturnRing wrote...

razviolet wrote...


I still don't understand how the essence is preserved in reapers. They only harvest the DNA of a species and don't keep the original form or  history. It's just another flying cuttlefish that seems to have a hive mind like a collection of geth systems in one body. They especially remind me of Legion. A mobile platform of sorts. Also, if you remember, the synthetics of Shepard's cycle don't understand the reapers anymore than the organics do. "They are unknowable," as quoted by Legion.

Edit: I misread your post. I agree EDI and the Geth seem to understand organics better. You could probably argue the reapers have been around too long and have a superiority complex .

 It would be interesting to know in which direction the catalyst thinks humans/aliens should ultimately evolve. DNA is nothing compared to the ability to think for one self. That's where i see the beauty in Quorians Geths: there were no intend to create sentient life; they merely just gave them the means - inadvertently - and the Geths eventually were. No complex engineering can ever top that. Even from a catalyst standpoint i can hardly see reaper state as an upgrade.

  

Because the essence is not stored only  the genetic material but the essence of any civilization or race is its culture not its DNA. Even then the Reapers are not even preserving that. They are just blending it all together into some collective thinking, cuttlefish looking, space gumbo.  

[Silver]

@sage
Great resource

[Tup3x]

@Sage
That's very useful for people with import issues. Nice work!

In my case colour editing and using the face code gave me good enough results.



Close enough.

[Aipex8]

Thanks for the resources, Sage, I had previously found the one at ME Faces, but some of the others are helpful as well. I was actually tweaking Nika last night. Mostly moving the corners of the mouth up so she has less of a perma-frown. The results:





Before tweaking/frown face:


The change is subtle, but I think an improvement.

[SaturnRing]

nitefyre410 wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

razviolet wrote...


I still don't understand how the essence is preserved in reapers. They only harvest the DNA of a species and don't keep the original form or  history. It's just another flying cuttlefish that seems to have a hive mind like a collection of geth systems in one body. They especially remind me of Legion. A mobile platform of sorts. Also, if you remember, the synthetics of Shepard's cycle don't understand the reapers anymore than the organics do. "They are unknowable," as quoted by Legion.

Edit: I misread your post. I agree EDI and the Geth seem to understand organics better. You could probably argue the reapers have been around too long and have a superiority complex .

 It would be interesting to know in which direction the catalyst thinks humans/aliens should ultimately evolve. DNA is nothing compared to the ability to think for one self. That's where i see the beauty in Quorians Geths: there were no intend to create sentient life; they merely just gave them the means - inadvertently - and the Geths eventually were. No complex engineering can ever top that. Even from a catalyst standpoint i can hardly see reaper state as an upgrade.

  

Because the essence is not stored only  the genetic material but the essence of any civilization or race is its culture not its DNA. Even then the Reapers are not even preserving that. They are just blending it all together into some collective thinking, cuttlefish looking, space gumbo.  

Exactly. There is an inherent inability from the Catalyst/Reapers to understand organic essence. And as a result the Reapers serve exclusively as a mean of destruction rather than a testament to past civilizations. The catalyst created organics; who in turn evolved beyond his understanding of what sentient life should be. It took Shepard to get up there with him on the Citadel for him to snap out of his state of denial.

[ELE08]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Syrdeth wrote...
@DJ: Lia! You may not see it, but I can see how her ME3 version looks very similar to her ME1 self.

Well sure she does. Now. All the shots I've shared were from after the complete de-construction and re-assembly since the importer messed her up *looks at ELE* We can rebuild her, we have the technology!

And since I'm a total pic-spammer and I got some new shots done last night: 

snip

"Didn't focus test right...damn marketers..."

Ooooh shiny highrez N7 armor *glomms all over it*
Oh yeah Lia, too =P
It really helps the fixes for her were pretty much identical to the ones I needed to make for Teagan, including the skin texture, so that helped me out as well. The relationship is symbiotic! /Saren.

@sage - Nice progression. Totally worth the work you've put into it; Kyrie's back!

@Aipex - I used the same Gibbed tweaks for my final version of Teagan. The change is subtle, but moving the eyes slightly and esp making the lips less frowny makes a huge difference [at least for me] in making her look more natural. Looks great!

[SaturnRing]

Aipex8 wrote...

Thanks for the resources, Sage, I had previously found the one at ME Faces, but some of the others are helpful as well. I was actually tweaking Nika last night. Mostly moving the corners of the mouth up so she has less of a perma-frown. The results:



The change is subtle, but I think an improvement.

She is so beautiful.

[razviolet]

SaturnRing wrote...


Exactly. There is an inherent inability from the Catalyst/Reapers to understand organic essence. And as a result the Reapers serve exclusively as a mean of destruction rather than a testament to past civilizations. The catalyst created organics; who in turn evolved beyond his understanding of what sentient life should be. It took Shepard to get up there with him on the Citadel for him to snap out of his state of denial.

I noticed the developers really tried to touch on what makes an organic unique. Mostly it was through the paragon dialogue with EDI who was trying to understand organic motivations and then base herself off moral qualities and drives that make organics unique. I find it interesting that EDI wants to be just like humans yet the geth are happy to continue as they are. Maybe it's because she is in constant contact with humans? That sort of goes off my thought of the reapers being disconnected because they are 1) ancient and literally 'old as dirt' 2) never directly interact with organics unless they have to and even then they assume we are all amoebas.

I don't remember the catalyst making organics other than the supposedly reproducing vat of organic material in the Citadel that spits out Keepers. Even then those are likely an ancient race repurposed. Reapers only place mass relays so organics that have advanced on their own, or with previously used tech from dead races, to find the citadel. It leaves enough time for a civilization to become space faring yet ultimately concentrated in one area with all the other advanced races. The reapers then extinguish all the races before they can become advanced enough to create superior AIs.

And snap out of state of denial? I don't even...I swear, Starbrat is still in denial. The only thing he 'snaps to' is that he needs a new plan.

@Sage
My shep turned out looking nothing like she did in ME2 and when I first imported her she looked like a chipmunk. The scaled down pic doesn't do justice on just how bad the ballooning is. I hand tweaked her to try and narrow the cheeks and resulted in what I've grown used to...and looks far better in game. I might try out lazarus but I'm not all that great with modding programs.

And really nice blog page you have there. I will definitely have a sit down to read through it and try to make some use of all your great hard work.

Modifié par razviolet, 15 mai 2012 - 06:51 .

[sagefic]

glad it can be of use. @ELE deserves full kudos for putting up with all my constant questions about how stuff works and such.

It's still seriously weird to me how 'off' some of the import stuff is. Kyrie ME1->ME2 was a straight up import, only had to bump down the blush a little since it was so garish. Taking her into ME3 has required HOURS of reconstructing face codes and custom gibbed modding to get her to look 'the same.'

That just strikes me as sad.

edit: @ Raz: the offset bones tweaking is SUCH a pain in the butt, but it seriously paid off in the end. the eyeclipping is almost entirely gone now and she's animating like her old self. ME3 shep acutally has beautiful graphics going for her, it's just mostly a matter of mapping her face back out to be at proper proportions and colors, etc. if you're up for trial and error, you may want to check out those guides for editing stuff.

for comparison:


ME1


ME2


ME3

The proof is in the animation, I think. 

Modifié par sagequeen, 17 mai 2012 - 01:37 .

[razviolet]

sagequeen wrote...

glad it can be of use. @ELE deserves full kudos for putting up with all my constant questions about how stuff works and such.

It's still seriously weird to me how 'off' some of the import stuff is. Kyrie ME1->ME2 was a straight up import, only had to bump down the blush a little since it was so garish. Taking her into ME3 has required HOURS of reconstructing face codes and custom gibbed modding to get her to look 'the same.'

That just strikes me as sad.

edit: @ Raz: the offset bones tweaking is SUCH a pain in the butt, but it seriously paid off in the end. the eyeclipping is almost entirely gone now and she's animating like her old self. ME3 shep acutally has beautiful graphics going for her, it's just mostly a matter of mapping her face back out to be at proper proportions and colors, etc. if you're up for trial and error, you may want to check out those guides for editing stuff.
The proof is in the animation, I think. 

The animation in ME3 is so much better than the previous games. It gives the characters a more organic quality in their features and movements.

I have no doubts it was a pain in the butt to tweak and your shep really came out looking great. How long did it take you again? About two weeks to be satisfied? Yikes! Your power of patience while modding is astounding:wizard:

Edit:

SaturnRing wrote...

Being the only one of her kind - some of her traits were probably[certainly] borrowed from humans - she identifies with them.
On
another note i would love to know if/how remnants of Eva Core
(Harper/TIM's friend) persona influenced EDI's development.

True she probably has borrowed traits but my point is EDI is in constant contact with organics and tries to identify with them while the Geth who live on their own are trying to develop their own views of what is 'unique' and considered sentience. This might be where the reapers originally went wrong. The moment the reapers became disconnected they quit trying to understand the organics that first defined what it means to be 'alive' and formed their own way of viewing life. OR I could be seriously wrong and the catalyst was created by organics to fix their stupidity. It just took a rather...extreme turn...Gah  I wish Bioware had stuck with the Dark Matter theory. Even if it was leaked I was steering clear of the internet or any possible spoilers so it all would have still been a surprise. The whole haestrom star debacle from ME2 still haunts me with its dropped story.

Modifié par razviolet, 15 mai 2012 - 07:34 .

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...

I noticed the developers really tried to touch on what makes an organic unique. Mostly it was through the paragon dialogue with EDI who was trying to understand organic motivations and then base herself off moral qualities and drives that make organics unique. I find it interesting that EDI wants to be just like humans yet the geth are happy to continue as they are. Maybe it's because she is in constant contact with humans? That sort of goes off my thought of the reapers being disconnected because they are 1) ancient and literally 'old as dirt' 2) never directly interact with organics unless they have to and even then they assume we are all amoebas.
- machiavellian snip -

Being the only one of her kind - some of her traits were probably[certainly] borrowed from humans - she identifies with them.
On another note i would love to know if/how remnants of Eva Core (Harper/TIM's friend) persona influenced EDI's development.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 mai 2012 - 07:19 .

[Aipex8]

Okay Sage, Ele, other modders... Is there a way to rotate the upper eye lashes? One thing that still bugs me a bit is that the ME3 upper lashes point directly at the camera, making them all but disappear. Look at this pic from sagequeens site:



See how you can actually see the upper lashes in ME2? Is there a way to replicate this in ME3 with gibbed?

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...

True she probably has borrowed traits but my point is EDI is in constant contact with organics and tries to identify with them while the Geth who live on their own are trying to develop their own views of what is 'unique' and considered sentience. This might be where the reapers originally went wrong. The moment the reapers became disconnected they quit trying to understand the organics that first defined what it means to be 'alive' and formed their own way of viewing life. OR I could be seriously wrong and the catalyst was created by organics to fix their stupidity. It just took a rather...extreme turn...Gah  I wish Bioware had stuck with the Dark Matter theory. Even if it was leaked I was steering clear of the internet or any possible spoilers so it all would have still been a surprise. The whole haestrom star debacle from ME2 still haunts me with its dropped story.

There were probably some level of indoctrination when it comes to the Reapers creation. That's an interesting point you make; i always assume that by its description,  organics processing doesn't leave much room for conscience transfer...hmm. Sorry to drag you a little off topic.

[Tup3x]

Aipex8 wrote...

Okay Sage, Ele, other modders... Is there a way to rotate the upper eye lashes? One thing that still bugs me a bit is that the ME3 upper lashes point directly at the camera, making them all but disappear. Look at this pic from sagequeens site:



See how you can actually see the upper lashes in ME2? Is there a way to replicate this in ME3 with gibbed?

If I remember correctly, tweaking the mask was needed (i.e. needs texmod).

[razviolet]

SaturnRing wrote...

There were probably some level of indoctrination when it comes to the Reapers creation. That's an interesting point you make; i always assume that by its description,  organics processing doesn't leave much room for conscience transfer...hmm. Sorry to drag you a little off topic.

What do you mean by indoctrination was used to create the reapers? Though, it is kind of strange how dominate a theme indoctrination and control is with them. I don't think the reapers came up with the idea totally on their own and have a feeling it traces back to the race that created the catalyst.

I always viewed for in game that organic processing is so unique and chaotic that it can't simply transfer into a code of 1's and 0's. It can only exist as itself, full of rapidly changing electrical impulses that erratically trigger different memories and a garbled mess of emotions unique to the individuals interpretations. In the level Shep enters the geth consensus Legion says she is perfect to send inside because the human mind is an unknown. We're so crazy not even a computer can keep up .
Plus, as the reapers find out, indoctrination through implants or 'whispering' isn't perfect -I think I remember somewhere in game where Shepard states the reapers were starting to turn to computers since they were easier to control and less of a risk to use- The organic mind never completely surrenders to the influence and can even break through at times because there is no 'code' that can be overridden or rewritten.

You're dragging me way off topic but I'm having fun. I'll just keep going until I get yelled at .


On topic...Have a femshep!

Garrus: Shepard, forgive the insubordination, but. I'm never letting you drive again.
Liara: Agreed.
Shepard: You try driving through a mass relay then parking the full speed mako in less than three yards.
*In the following silence filled by the crackle of fire and sparking wires Garrus shakes his head at Liara from over Shepard's shoulder*
Liara: Sorry Commander


Edit: @Akari Tenshi

Again, I love it. The picture is super sharp and shiny. I notice the background behind the Normandy has a bit of film grain like ME1. Was that intentional? And the scratches on the armor gives the pic a lot of character. I wish I had the skills to make a wallpaper like this for Vanessa.

Modifié par razviolet, 15 mai 2012 - 08:32 .

[NM7]

@Sage:

Kyrie looks fantastic. You've put a lot of effort in to getting her looking like her ME2 version and it shows. The straight import in to ME3 doesn't even look like the same person. Thanks for putting all the inmoration you've gathered in to a post on your site too. I intend to attempt to get get Hrist looking more like her ME2 self at some point, and knowing all the information is in one place will be really useful.

Also, because I'm terrible for messing with things once I've posted them, I made some changes to the wallpaper I posted the other day. I got a new shot of Hrist, messed around with the colours and tidied things up a bit.

New version: As before, click for full resolution

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...


What do you mean by indoctrination was used to create the reapers? Though, it is kind of strange how dominate a theme indoctrination and control is with them. I don't think the reapers came up with the idea totally on their own and have a feeling it traces back to the race that created the catalyst.

I always viewed for in game that organic processing is so unique and chaotic that it can't simply transfer into a code of 1's and 0's. It can only exist as itself, full of rapidly changing electrical impulses that erratically trigger different memories and a garbled mess of emotions unique to the individuals interpretations. In the level Shep enters the geth consensus Legion says she is perfect to send inside because the human mind is an unknown. We're so crazy not even a computer can keep up .
Plus, as the reapers find out, indoctrination through implants or 'whispering' isn't perfect -I think I remember somewhere in game where Shepard states the reapers were starting to turn to computers since they were easier to control and less of a risk to use- The organic mind never completely surrenders to the influence and can even break through at times because there is no 'code' that can be overridden or rewritten.

Indoctrination from the catalyst. Assuming that the Reapers came with some level of organic consciousness; that  would be the only mean to control them - without the degenerative condition. Unless organic matter is only use for low level reconstruction that doesn't involve their "nervous system" - a computerized mind like you're suggesting. That fits better with the control option; their allegiance would then be the result of a program [that could be easily altered to make them follow femshep].

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[chevyguy87]

Syrdeth wrote...

You shouldn't be. And, you should post her anyways, even if it's just shots from a camera. You'd be surprised at the reaction. Just look at all those nice comments I'm getting about Maria in ME2. She's completely unmodded there. I had to fix her for ME3, the clipping was that horrendeous. But, there are major flaws in her face in ME2 that I wish I could fix, especially her eyes, but I am only just learning how to use Gibbed and that was for ME3.

You think I should post her on here?

[SaturnRing]

Akari Tenshi wrote...
- machiavellian snip -
New version: As before, click for full resolution

Cool.

[Ashoken]

chevyguy87 wrote...

Syrdeth wrote...

You shouldn't be. And, you should post her anyways, even if it's just shots from a camera. You'd be surprised at the reaction. Just look at all those nice comments I'm getting about Maria in ME2. She's completely unmodded there. I had to fix her for ME3, the clipping was that horrendeous. But, there are major flaws in her face in ME2 that I wish I could fix, especially her eyes, but I am only just learning how to use Gibbed and that was for ME3.

You think I should post her on here?

Absolutely. Do it!

[Tup3x]

I thought that this day would never happen but it did. Mass Effect 3 is playable with Intel HD 4000 maxed out (with tweaks that definitely do not make it run faster) at 1920x1080. At 1280x720 it runs fine.





1280x720:


I honestly didn't think that Ivy Bridge could pull this off.

And chevyguy87, yes, you should.

[sagefic]

razviolet wrote...
*snip*

The animation in ME3 is so much better than the previous games. It gives the characters a more organic quality in their features and movements.

I have no doubts it was a pain in the butt to tweak and your shep really came out looking great. How long did it take you again? About two weeks to be satisfied? Yikes! Your power of patience while modding is astounding:wizard:

thereabouts, yeah. been loading the gibbed up every few days to tweak for about an hour. I think originally kyrie took me about, oh, 25-30 hours to make in me1. about 8 hours w/ coalesced, etc. in me2 to get gear correct. ME3 recreation/mods have taken about 30 hours all told.

um, yeah. i take her seriously.



(pic by ELE)

ahem.

ty @akari! hrist looks good in that wallpaper.

@aipex. ELE has a mod for the eyelash issue. because she is awesome like that (see above pic for proof).

Modifié par sagequeen, 15 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[merylisk]

sagequeen wrote...

 thanks for the kind words, guys. it's sure nice having kyrie back.

also, i put up a blog post on gametourists with links to various resources for recreating import sheps to look right again.

Mass Effect 3 Import Tools (or, some ways you can try and get your shep looking like her old self again)

special thanks to ottemis and ele and other people who pointed me on to these resources

i found the results were very interesting, so i wanted to share



edit: top shep. 3 for the price of 1: straight up imports from me1

Yeah, wow. The straight unaltered import looks like she had some really bad plastic surgery, hahaha.