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[razviolet]

SaturnRing wrote...

Indoctrination from the catalyst. Assuming that the Reapers came with some level of organic consciousness; that  would be the only mean to control them - without the degenerative condition. Unless organic matter is only use for low level reconstruction that doesn't involve their "nervous system" - a computerized mind like you're suggesting. That fits better with the control option; their allegiance would then be the result of a program [that could be easily altered to make them follow femshep].

Lately I've been viewing the reapers as a failed synthesis attempt by the catalyst. They came out more machine than organic, no balance there, and Starbrat just ran with the reapers as a resource for a spontaneous plan B which evolved into harvesting organics. Since plan B worked to his satisfaction at stopping the 'chaos' he never tried for another alternative or experimented further. I suppose this is another fault of the reapers and catalyst, their lack of curiosity that stagnated the cycle and their own existence/technology. Without it they can never change or grow...maybe that's why they view themselves as the apex of evolution, because they have never changed themselves. They have no culture or individuality and they don't try to absorb any of it from the organics they harvest.


But no, I don't think the reapers themselves are indoctrinated. They are machines the catalyst can direct while the tiny organic part lets them make tactful decisions on their own. Like a higher functioning husk with a hive mind that lets them 'seem' to be thinking like an organic with unpredictable variables because of the separate components.

..I hope that makes sense:whistle:

@Sage
I think I just spilled my drink at that party hat picture, nice one Sage.


@CrazyGreggy
You will probably have to do a lot of self tweaking to keep her the same.

Modifié par razviolet, 15 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[CrazyGreggy]

Starting to get concerned as to what the ME3 character creator will do with Kira. Just finished Virmire tonight with only Citadel/Ilos to go, then all of ME2 before.....yeah.

Kira with Ele's HD pack and Sunnie's Liara LotSB texture mod:

[Syrdeth]

Ashoken wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

You think I should post her on here?

Absolutely. Do it!

A thousand times, yes!

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Starting to get concerned as to what
the ME3 character creator will do with Kira. Just finished Virmire
tonight with only Citadel/Ilos to go, then all of ME2 before.....yeah.

Kira with Ele's HD pack and Sunnie's Liara LotSB texture mod:

She looks amazing!

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...


Lately I've been viewing the reapers as a failed synthesis attempt by the catalyst. They came out more machine than organic, no balance there, and Starbrat just ran with the reapers as a resource for a spontaneous plan B which evolved into harvesting organics. Since plan B worked to his satisfaction at stopping the 'chaos' he never tried for another alternative or experimented further. I suppose this is another fault of the reapers and catalyst, their lack of curiosity that stagnated the cycle and their own existence/technology. Without it they can never change or grow...maybe that's why they view themselves as the apex of evolution, because they have never changed themselves. They have no culture or individuality and they don't try to absorb any of it from the organics they harvest.

That makes sense: they're incapable of original thought or cultural development except throught harvested  civilizations. They must have been very unimpressed with most of them ( including Protheans) as they've retained that same shape ( 2 of them actually, depending on their function ) we're accustomed to. Until humans and Shepard came along - and then they/the Catalyst? thought human shape and stubbornness was the next step in their evolution.
The Catalyst logic is certainly an unknown. No entity in it's right mind would think of the cycle of destruction as a solution. It's more like refusing to admit personal failure. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 15 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[LadyAly]

SaturnRing wrote...

Aipex8 wrote...

Thanks for the resources, Sage, I had previously found the one at ME Faces, but some of the others are helpful as well. I was actually tweaking Nika last night. Mostly moving the corners of the mouth up so she has less of a perma-frown. The results:



The change is subtle, but I think an improvement.

She is so beautiful.

 

just attractive    

(pic by ELE)

ahem.

ty @akari! hrist looks good in that wallpaper.

@aipex. ELE has a mod for the eyelash issue. because she is awesome like that (see above pic for proof).

LOVE IT  

@CrazyGreggy  Kira looks great  

  

Modifié par LadyAly, 15 mai 2012 - 11:40 .

[Discrepancy]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Starting to get concerned as to what the ME3 character creator will do with Kira. Just finished Virmire tonight with only Citadel/Ilos to go, then all of ME2 before.....yeah.

Kira with Ele's HD pack and Sunnie's Liara LotSB texture mod:

Wow.. Just... Wow! <3:O

Also: more shameless self-promotion, for those of you who haven't seen it yet:
 

[razviolet]

SaturnRing wrote...


That makes sense: they're
incapable of original thought or cultural development except throught
harvested  civilizations. They must have been very unimpressed with most
of them ( including Protheans) as they've retained that same shape ( 2
of them actually, depending on their function ) we're accustomed to.
Until humans and Shepard came along - and
then they/the Catalyst? thought human shape and stubbornness was the
next step in their evolution.
The Catalyst logic is certainly an
unknown. No entity in it's right mind would think of the cycle of
destruction as a solution. It's more like refusing to admit
personal failure. 

I'm pretty sure they still saw humans
as just another race and the one they chose for a Capitol ship in
Shepard's cycle. If you compare humans to protheans it seems the reapers
process Sovereign class ships with the most aggressive, ambitious, and
cunning race. Humanity might have stumbled onto the scene later than
other races but they rammed themselves through the political system to
have a seat on the council and a spectre before even the Volus-who have
been trying to get a spot for years- did. Humans also advanced quicker
than anyone else. Once they had the resources of the relays and already
existing alien tech, they pretty much exploaded like roaches and started scaring all the other races...or close to it.
It's only been what, thirty years? Most of the population is sticking
close to Sol and are still only testing the waters.

All Shepard did was convince the catalyst his stratagy wasn't going to
work anymore. I don't think it ever cared about advancing itself. It's still trapped by its original function.


I feel bad for dragging this convo out on the femshep thread but it's so hard to stop. So...A question for everyone. What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a porclaimed 'point of no return'?

@ Discrepancy
"Also: more shameless self-promotion, for those of you who haven't seen it yet:
"

I'll shamelessly help your promotion because that video is awesome.

Modifié par razviolet, 16 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...

I feel bad for dragging this convo out on the femshep thread but it's so hard to stop. So...A question for everyone. What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a porclaimed 'point of no return'?

Usually a teammate's death: Alenko/Williams on Vimire; Thane in ME3;( it drove me over the edge) as well as Mordin's...Death is painful enough; circumstances make it unbearable. I haven't felt so much dislike for a character the way i did for Kai Leng in a long time. The writing on that particular episode didn't help as i felt Thane's death in the hands of Cerberus' assassin, was forced and senseless.

[thompsmt]

razviolet wrote...

I feel bad for dragging this convo out on the femshep thread but it's so hard to stop. So...A question for everyone. What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a porclaimed 'point of no return'?

Well, it's usually a major event in the story.  In ME3, it was finding out what was going on at Sanctuary.  Treating people disposably just drove her off the edge.  I can see her going to her cabin, and just crying over what happened.   Just think about what went on there. . .

Also, finding out what happened in Overlord.  Meeting David again was a good thing. 

[ELE08]

razviolet wrote...

What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a proclaimed 'point of no return'?

Death & resurrection + the council refusing to acknowledge the Reapers in ME2 + refusing to give official aid against the Collectors.

This is when she realized she was on her own aka. no one else is going to do it.  The responsibility is on her shoulders, and with it a singular driving purpose: do everything in her power to stop the Reapers.  
...with the aid of trusted friends and allies; but she alone is the driving force.  To paraphrase Liara, no one can take us as far as you can.

Weeeee.  I made stuff.

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d500m9n

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d501gk4

edit - Of course posting means I will find something wrong! Fixed, also linked to fullsize

Modifié par ELE08, 16 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Ashoken]

ELE08 wrote...


Weeeee.  I made stuff.

ELE, you are amazing.

[kuoleman]

Diablo 3 servers went down.
Must be a sign when first time I heard Leah=Jennifer Hale (http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Leah) speak... I went O.O "Shepard?"
Now I have to go back to Mass Effect... oh darn.

[razviolet]

@SaturnRing
Teammate deaths are pretty harsh and usually come with a
lesson Shepard learns the hard way. Much the same way Victus and his son
did, only, they will never have the chance to learn from it. Kai Leng
was a great character to hate...and that's about it. He plays the
obnoxious puppy that begs to kill everyone. We have no connection with
Kai like we do with, let's say, Harbinger and his own obsession with
antagonizing Shepard. At least we can fear and respect that reaper at
the same time we want to break his spine. The whole space ninja persona
didn't help or the fact that he had plot armor. Every scene
with him is written like a bad matrix cut. The only redeeming parts are
Garrus threatening to tear him in half and breaking that little POS
sword.

@thompsmt
Sanctuary was a big turning point,
especially if your Shep absolutely abhors Cerberus. Even if Shep at one
time grew to trust them, TIM has finally crossed that line of no return
by using human test subjects. I still know very little about Overlord so
I can't comment yet.

@ELE08
The stonewalling of the council
was definitely frustrating in the first two games and I can see coming
back from the dead as being a bit shocking. It sounds like your Shep
decided to do things her way from then on

Pic 1: I really like how the logo matches her hair and eye color. How the heck did you cut her image out so flawlessly? ---> I have no editing skills [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]


"What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the
most towards her goal(s) or became a proclaimed 'point of no return'?" - I spelled that word wrong and didn't catch it...is embarrassed.

To answer my own question...

Mine was pretty cruel and kept a wall up between her crew and her job in ME1. Growing up on the streets of earth taught Shepard to use whatever was necessary to survive. People were tools to get the things she needed under that ruthless calculus of war philosophy. Her biggest change in character came ME2 when she woke up from the dead all alone on a Cerberus ship. It was when she realized her crew had meant something more than just an extension of her gun.

In ME1 Shep didn't care if the council was willing to help or not, Saren and the reapers were going down even if she had to shove a nuke down each of their throats. She was given a job and she planned to finish it. So I suppose she was motivated from the very beginning but at about the same caliber as a robot programmed to commit an action. The best way to describe it is through Thane's words, she was 'disconnected'.

In ME3 the death of Mordin, who had been her second closest friend, jarred her worse than any other event in her life. Sure she had lost friends in her childhood but never to this caliber. It was after that mission and watching Garrus (LI) so stressed over the fate of his family that she became dedicated to stopping the reapers with a personal drive.

The Thessia mission was just bad all around. Shep became a tornado of anger that could melt at any minute into a dreary mood that put the crew on edge. Her scars began to grow deeper and brighter and the bruises around her eyes became prominent as she began to literally work herself to death. She felt time was running out to destroy the reapers before nothing could be salvaged.

Garrus looking on worriedly.

Oh, and scaring the crud out of Joker. It was not the time to be pushing her buttons.

Modifié par razviolet, 16 mai 2012 - 04:52 .

[Ashoken]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Kira with Ele's HD pack and Sunnie's Liara LotSB texture mod:

Kira is lovely!

Discrepancy wrote...

Also: more shameless self-promotion, for those of you who haven't seen it yet:

I cried.

razviolet wrote...

I feel bad for dragging this convo out on the femshep thread but it's so hard to stop. So...A question for everyone. What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a porclaimed 'point of no return'?

For Asche, it was Virmire, but not because she had to choose between Kaidan and Ashley. It was Wrex and having to destroy the genophage cure that brought everything into clear focus. The Reapers were a vague notion, but an angry Krogan in Asche's face asking why the cure had to be destroyed made it personal.

Wrex, I think you'd be happier with this shotgun.

[merylisk]

I booted up ME2 today for the first time in ages because I wanted to get a screenshot of Anja doing the *smirk*

But in doing so, I suddenly saw all the subtle facial differences that still remained between ME2 Anja and her ME3 counterpart. That, combined with seeing sage's Kyrie lookin' so fly, inspired me to finally buckle down and mess with those offset bones until I felt Anja really, truly looked like herself.

I'm sure you guys can't even see the differences, but I'm pretty pleased with the results.

Modifié par merylisk, 16 mai 2012 - 06:31 .

[razviolet]

@merylisk
Congratulations, she looks great! The only glaring difference is the hair color.

I 'updated' my slide show forRenegon Femshep Tribute. It's still not exactly a masterpiece but I added a few more clips and tried to match the transitions better to the music. I usually write fics and never touch visual editing on anything . I have no idea what I'm doing yet I want to eventually try and make a video tribute.

Edit: just noticed youtube warped a lot of my timing. bah.

Modifié par razviolet, 16 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[merylisk]

razviolet wrote...

@merylisk
Congratulations, she looks great! The only glaring difference is the hair color.

Haha, I think that actually has more to do with the fact that she's standing under red lighting than anything else. In normal lighting, she's more of a ginger. But thank you!

Modifié par merylisk, 16 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[razviolet]

merylisk wrote...


Haha, I think that actually has more to do with the fact that she's standing under red lighting than anything else. In normal lighting, she's more of a ginger. But thank you!

I think if I squint I can see the color right. ME2 had a lot of bleeding red lighting that made it hard to see features and colors properly. Not your fault.

[merylisk]

Here's a screenshot of her in ME2 standing under non-red lighting, haha, if that helps.



And, hmm, you're right, it's still more red.

Agh. Okay, guess I'll fix that. Damn it, hahahaha.

Modifié par merylisk, 16 mai 2012 - 06:55 .

[razviolet]

merylisk wrote...

Here's a screenshot of her in ME2 standing under non-red lighting, haha, if that helps.



And, hmm, you're right, it's still more red.

Agh. Okay, guess I'll fix that. Damn it, hahahaha.

I can see her a lot better in this pic...yep I would say her ME3  hair version needs just a little more tweaking:wizard:. Almost there!

[merylisk]

There we go.

ELE08 wrote...

razviolet wrote...

What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a proclaimed 'point of no return'?

Death & resurrection + the council refusing to acknowledge the Reapers in ME2 + refusing to give official aid against the Collectors.

This is when she realized she was on her own aka. no one else is going to do it.  The responsibility is on her shoulders, and with it a singular driving purpose: do everything in her power to stop the Reapers.  
...with the aid of trusted friends and allies; but she alone is the driving force.  To paraphrase Liara, no one can take us as far as you can.

Weeeee.  I made stuff.

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d500m9n

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d501gk4

edit - Of course posting means I will find something wrong! Fixed, also linked to fullsize

 
Love these!!! Especially the last one. Teagan and her boys... hahaha, I love it.

And to actually answer the question, I would also say, in Anja's case, it was death and resurrection. After surviving Mindoir, and Akuze, and then the first Normandy's destruction, she starts to feel that if she keeps surviving when by all logic or chance, she shouldn't, there must be a reason for it. Or, even if there's not, she feels she owes it to the galaxy to make the most of these second and third and fourth chances she keeps being handed.

Modifié par merylisk, 16 mai 2012 - 09:09 .

[LadyAly]

ELE08 wrote...



Weeeee.  I made stuff.

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d500m9n

a-stric.deviantart.com/#/d501gk4

edit - Of course posting means I will find something wrong! Fixed, also linked to fullsize

 

WOW - its fantastic ELE - *bows her head*  

@Discrepanzy Goddamnit - no need to appologize. This Video watered my eyes - amazing job you have done here  

@merylisk Anja is so beautiful

razviolet wrote ....

What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a proclaimed 'point of no return'?   

Depends on the Character I'm in. For Reyna it was the fact that Kaidan at Horizon didn't believe her - her heart broke and she started to hate the Reapers and all the circumstances which has drove her in. She felt alone - even with her friends and squadmates. So defeat them was her revenge.

For the current playthroughs: 
Carry - well she is down-to-earth. What has to be done must be done, whatever the cost is.
But she is really mad about the political stuff and that she has to deal with -  so the constant denial of the council and politicians is always the point she gets agressive. *What no one will take responisibilty ... okay I do you ignorant bunch.*

Chiara - is a complicated badass anyway. She runs still in ME2 and is building a team. But she HATES Cerberus deeply. The fact that a terrorist organisation has brought her back to life is nagging on her constantly. She is refusing to speak with Miranda or Jacob so far. Even Kelly is on distance - just an necessary asset to the ship.
She will defeat the Collectors in the name of N7 - and using Cerberus as little as possible.
(( and honestly I think she will not help Miranda/Jacob with the loyality mission. I wonder how much impact it has to ME3 - I mean no sister rescue for Miranda especially. Should have some influence to the dialogue.
My calculation for survival looking good if Garrus leads the teams ))

Modifié par LadyAly, 16 mai 2012 - 09:59 .

[chevyguy87]

To those who suggested I post her, well here she is....
Still don't know how I feel about her compared to some of the ones I've seen on this thread.

 

[KateM]

chevyguy87 wrote...

To those who suggested I post her, well here she is....
Still don't know how I feel about her compared to some of the ones I've seen on this thread.

 

I don't know what you're talkin about...she looks great:)

razviolet wrote...

A question for everyone. What was your Shepard most 'aggressive' about? What events drove her the most towards her goal(s) or became a porclaimed 'point of no return'?

There were many events throughout the whole trilogy like Virmire, Overlord , deaths of squadmates in general but what really ticked Dawn off was Thessia...seeing the world fall right in front of her + hearing the crys of the Asari in her ear + being Liara's bondmate = rage...that letter she got from Kai Leng after the mission wasn't good for her either

[LadyAly]

chevyguy87 wrote...



To those who suggested I post her, well here she is....
Still don't know how I feel about her compared to some of the ones I've seen on this thread.

 

She is so cute  - dunno why you think she isn't good.  

Her some pics from Chiara 

... peeps expect trouble 

 

wth... is he thinking my boobs smell ????? 

 

don't even dare to breath and come out ... 

 

damn you Kaidan - you wont believe me ?? Good then have it that way  



Don't try to mess with me - even if you are a pure Krogan   

Modifié par LadyAly, 16 mai 2012 - 11:39 .