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[MizzNaaa]

Tup3xi wrote...

laikabaws wrote...

@Tup3xi and Ottemis Thanks guys! /hands out virtual hugs (sorry must have missed ELE's post) 

Also to contribute to the thread and although it's not really ME-related, I've spent the last few days trying this site out: http://www.dolldivin...eco-fashion.php 

It's a virtual, personalized dress-up-your-doll site. And me being the hopeless ME fan that I was, made clothes for my F!Sheps, some inspired by their respective armor and even their morality. So try it out~ (if this is violating any rules, I'll remove it) 

Well... That does almost sound like SEO linking, I hope that I'm wrong. But then again, all links here are rel="nofollow" so Google doesn't give a damn about links here.

But anyway, can't say that I've been into dressing up dolls.

NOOOOO

Don't link me to dress up games. I turn into a 5 year old and will never stop playing <.<

EDIT: ToP

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 25 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[f1r3storm]

[Ottemis]

Rikketik wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

I really hope I haven't offended anyone, but like most of the Femsheppers here, new and old, I just want our thread
to be an awesome place for us to enjoy our Femsheps beyond the game's limitations and see how we all have different takes on our different characters.

Well, to be honest, I did think for a minute: "Who the hell is she to tell us what to do and to decide what this thread is about?" The others were quick to agree with you and I admit that, indeed, the amount of pictures was getting out of hand, but there was absolutely no need for such an forceful approach. Contrary to some areas of BSN, this thread isn't visited by little children who benefit from strict rules to keep a thread from derailing. Not to say you can't voice your opinion, but please do so in a friendly manner. I think the last page shows yet again that this thread is visited by easygoing, reasonable people who can talk about a problem and quickly come to the agreement that, in this case, a bit of self-moderation is needed. It also shows that an aggressive approach sometimes only serves to alienate people.

(I hope that I don't sound too accusatory myself. I noticed that I'm getting better at English since I've started posting here, but sometimes I still have trouble phrasing things right, causing my posts to sound more hostile or aggressive than I intended to, especially in these sort of discussions. So if that is the case here: my apologies.)

Mizz just voiced what the OP states. Others including myself have casually mentioned the picture cap multiple times actually. Same with the massive post quoting to respond with one or two lines of comments, or the posting entire strings of fanfiction in a post. There is nothign wrong with wanting to share things, and we all love it when people do, it just sometimes breaks thread readability severely. It all falls under the same header, seeing as there are alternative methods to link /share pictures and fics without breaking thread readability, they should, in all fairness be both mentioned and considered.
Mizz, as others, myself included, come from the ME2 thread before this one's creation, it was a going rule and standard there, and the 'regulars' knew this. It was maintained without having to be mentioned.
I have been ignored in voicing this here too, and as such it gets annoying, I won't lie.

Mizz is a very sweet person, and if some of the frustration she felt about the issue simmered through in her post, that's not strange. But I also think she was completely diplomatic in how she worded her post.
In the end, there is no real 'good' way to remind people about their post-behavior, especially when alot of people feel like it applies to them. She said it with good intent, and as this thread is one to care about eachothers feelings, hers should also be respected, wether or not they are reflected in the OP. Her request was / is reasonable.

She has certainly taken ample effort to emphasize her intent. She is in her rights to post a reminder, and we should know her intent to be pure without her having to spell it out. This is a glass half full thread, we should act it.

Btw, and probably most importantly, we have visitors in this thread that live in countries where internet is not a given, and even if they have it, it works on hamsters. We care about them and they stay as regulars, we should care about them and consider them when we post.

Modifié par Ottemis, 25 juillet 2012 - 06:55 .

[MizzNaaa]

Rikketik wrote...

Well, to be honest, I did think for a minute: "Who the hell is she to tell us what to do and to decide what this thread is about?" The others were quick to agree with you and I admit that, indeed, the amount of pictures was getting out of hand, but there was absolutely no need for such an forceful approach. Contrary to some areas of BSN, this thread isn't visited by little children who benefit from strict rules to keep a thread from derailing. Not to say you can't voice your opinion, but please do so in a friendly manner. I think the last page shows yet again that this thread is visited by easygoing, reasonable people who can talk about a problem and quickly come to the agreement that, in this case, a bit of self-moderation is needed. It also shows that an aggressive approach sometimes only serves to alienate people.

(I hope that I don't sound too accusatory myself. I noticed that I'm getting better at English since I've started posting here, but sometimes I still have trouble phrasing things right, causing my posts to sound more hostile or aggressive than I intended to, especially in these sort of discussions. So if that is the case here: my apologies.)

That's fine, you don't sound too accusatory. But I'd like to point out that there is no nice way to point out that people are breaking a rule they should be heeding without having to be reminded. Being put in the bad guy spot because of pointing it out as a reminder is a given, but since as you said we're all adults, it makes sense to take a step back and look beyond the indignation and realize that I mean well. 

I myself am from Egypt, my internet isn't the best and it fluctuates rather often. Sometimes it takes me over five minutes, on the clock, I kid you not, to just load one page, because of the amount of pictures people are posting.

Yes, it's harsh and most likely you'll feel like "Well, she's not the boss of me, who the hell gave her the right to tell me what to and not to do?" It's very easy to fall into that mindset, but since we're adult I'm hoping people can go beyond it and realize that I really did mean well.

Anyway, as I said I don't mean to offend anyone, but I honestly believe the only reason people starting double checking the number of pictures they have in their posts and breaking down their walls of text is because I pointed it out a page ago.

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 25 juillet 2012 - 07:08 .

[MizzNaaa]

f1r3storm wrote...

*snip*

*another awesome snip*

*yet another awesome snip*

I'm loving those f1r3! Jolene looks badass.

[Fiery Phoenix]

MizzNaaa wrote...

<3

I can't wait to post my own pictures here!

[Ashoken]

Hey guys,

I don't plan to leave the thread and after rereading what I typed (gogo lack of caffeinated beverage) it sure sounded like I was leaving. Urk. Stupid text medium unable to relate context due to the typist's (me!) poor written communication skills. I also wasn't offended or anything, really. MizzNaa's post came right after I posted (6) pix of one of my Sheps. At first, it did seem at the very least I was the poster who broke the camel's back (Photobucket's thumbnails were mentioned and I use Photobucket) and prompted the reminder. I could have sworn the max was six pictures, and really, I was horrified to find out it was five.

So that's where I'm coming from. I'm not offended though at first, I was a little. I'm more awake now. Able to reason. Carry on.

And have an Erin. But only one.

[Captain Crash]

ahhh picture limits....  Its probably the most sensitive topic of the thread as its easy to take out of context.  

No ones being mean, the limits there so we can all enjoy the thread.  Some people dont like a barrage of pictures and others really enjoy seeing users playthrough unfold via pictures.  Lots of opinions and personalities so as a result the limits are there to keep everyone happy.

Like most guidelines, they arnt often mentioned for a length of time until things get complacent or people to notice a pattern.  Im sure mizzy just wanted to give a gentle reminder of what the OP states. But like all text on forums its hard to judge tone. I think everyone just needs to be wary of others feelings. 

 

And wow fire those manips are great!!!!!!!!!!!  :happy: 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 25 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[MizzNaaa]

Ashoken wrote...

Hey guys,

I don't plan to leave the thread and after rereading what I typed (gogo lack of caffeinated beverage) it sure sounded like I was leaving. Urk. Stupid text medium unable to relate context due to the typist's (me!) poor written communication skills. I also wasn't offended or anything, really. MizzNaa's post came right after I posted (6) pix of one of my Sheps. At first, it did seem at the very least I was the poster who broke the camel's back (Photobucket's thumbnails were mentioned and I use Photobucket) and prompted the reminder. I could have sworn the max was six pictures, and really, I was horrified to find out it was five.

So that's where I'm coming from. I'm not offended though at first, I was a little. I'm more awake now. Able to reason. Carry on.

And have an Erin. But only one.

Love the picture

And I promise, no singling out is meant at all. Photobucket is what most of us use. 

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 25 juillet 2012 - 07:53 .

[razviolet]

 

Tup3xi wrote...
I really hope that's not the case, smartphones are catching current gen consoles really, really fast. If they do not release them next year, progress will stall (well... it has already).

Second *sigh* 
@razviolet
That was pretty sad moment indeed. I wish there would have been better alternative but sometimes there just isn't any... 

Phones don't have anywhere near the power of a console but I agree progress feels stale at the moment. Especially in games. In the last few years it's been a war of how realistic, action packed, and linear a game can be. Almost everything I have played lately feels like something I have done before. Graphics wise though, things have been continually improving.

It's impossible to make it through Rannoch without casualties but I wouldn't change it. 

MizzNaa wrote...

Okay, reminder. 

-snip-

We did not put up this rule to be annoying, we put up this rule because this thread is NOT a slideshow. It's a thread to discuss the game and how it affects our FemSheps. Sometimes, we share INTERESTING pictures, not just post picspams.

Thank you. 

Sounds fair to me and I don't know where people are picking up on animosity, Mizz is merely stating a fact and keeping control of the thread. Sometimes people need a good thunk in the head to say, 'hey! You're doing it wrong!" I know I was, so apparently I needed the reminder as well... My bad.

Edit: I just noticed the walls of text comment and I would also like to know what's wrong with them. I can understand there should be a sort of limit, as in not a whole 4k word chapter, but text shouldn't be affecting load times, or a forum's readability. That's a pure contradiction.

@merylisk:  I love the Naomi pics. It's too bad we can't tell how she animates through pictures alone. I'm curious to see how she will import into 2 and 3 as well.

@raziel1980: Thanks! Gabby likes to swing her gun around, doesn't she <3

@LadyAly: I'm glad you liked the pics! Lol at Chiara and Allers. That Chobit makes me want to shake my head sometimes too. Oh well, she's just doing her job, and she's damn good at it.

Dragon_Claw wrote...
The ME3 deafult face is my personal favorie because of the redhair & freckles (how many game heriones do you know who has freckles?!?).

But with this mod, Jane does look like what I would imagine a person who has gone through hell & back. Aged, scarred & hasn´t slept right in a year... 

I've seen this somewhere before...floating around the forums I think. She definitely looks like a grizzled soldier, very cool. I'm still working on tweaking my own version of default Jane.

VaLkyR_Anubis wrote...
@razviolet, you're very welcome and great shots from Rannoch! That's the way to do it! Send the Reapers to hell!!! 

I swear, you can't take a bad shot on Rannoch. I love renegading my way through that mission:devil:.

Pics of Shepard and her Krogans . There can never be too much Wrex or Grunt.

demos99 wrote...
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">I'm really impressed how Conrad Verner's storyline pays off in ]ME3[/color]: 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">PS. I really want to give a shout out to razviolet's[url=http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9063117/734#13256441] ]. I really, really enjoyed reading that. [/color] 

Me too. I finally got Conrad to show up in ME3 for the first time and I was rather surprised at his involvement. He's such a fanboy:P

I'm glad you liked reading it so much, I enjoyed writing it. Though now that I go back and look at it I want to make changes. Argh, mistakes!


Edit: Only 2 pics this time:devil:, both from Thessia. I'll let them speak for themselves. 

Modifié par razviolet, 25 juillet 2012 - 08:49 .

[Rikketik]

Ottemis wrote...
Mizz is a very sweet person, and if some of the frustration she felt about the issue simmered through in her post, that's not strange. But I also think she was completely diplomatic in how she worded her post.

I'm sure she is. I like to think I'm a nice person, too. Yet I remember you and a few others calling me out when I complained about a few titillating pictures of James Vega. And rightfully so, because I sounded like a jerk, even if I didn't meant it that way.

I'm sorry about ignoring much of your post, but I don't really see the point in responding to it because I already made clear that A) MizzNaaa was right, we posted too many pictures here and she has every right to voice her opinion. It was just my question if she could perhaps do it in a more pleasant tone.

MizzNaaa wrote...
That's fine, you don't sound too accusatory.
But I'd like to point out that there is no nice way to point out that
people are breaking a rule they should be heeding without having to be
reminded. Being put in the bad guy spot because of pointing it out as a
reminder is a given, but since as you said we're all adults, it makes
sense to take a step back and look beyond the indignation and realize
that I mean well.

Bolded part: I'm not too sure about that. You say there isn't a nice way to point out that people are breaking a rule, but I don't see you (or anyone else for that matter, in other topics or even on other forums) try either. Would it not be better mindset to try to point it out in a nice manner and only when that doesn't work resort to a more forceful approach?

I myself am from Egypt, my internet isn't the
best and it fluctuates rather often. Sometimes it takes me over five
minutes, on the clock, I kid you not, to just load one page, because of
the amount of pictures people are posting.

Of course it's easy to talk in hindsight, but why didn'y you say this earlier?

You know, I'm the kind of person that has... trouble... with accepting authority and this discussion reminds me of the ones I have with my (rather authoritarian) employer. I always tell him: "Chief, I will do what you tell me to do, but I don't like being bossed around. If you'd drop the attitude and just take one minute to explain to me why I need to do something in another way than I'm used to, then chances are I won't mind doing it."

A small wonder he hasn't fired me yet, now that I think of it.

Anyway, translated to this topic: tell me what the rules are and I won't care. But tell me why rules are there and how the current situation bothers you personally and I will listen because then I can symphatize with your situation.

Yes, it's harsh and
most likely you'll feel like "Well, she's not the boss of me, who the
hell gave her the right to tell me what to and not to do?" It's very
easy to fall into that mindset, but since we're adult I'm hoping people
can go beyond it and realize that I really did mean well.

I now realize that I was too quick to judge. But I hope that you, in turn, also realize why I had trouble with your initial post.

I am glad we could talk about this, though, without turning it into a flamewar.

Anyway,
as I said I don't mean to offend anyone, but I honestly believe the
only reason people starting double checking the number of pictures they
have in their posts and breaking down their walls of text is because I
pointed it out a page ago.

I believe so, too.

Though I have to ask: I understand why a lesser amount of pictures on each page is appreciated, but what is wrong with posting walls of text? (I'm asking, of course, because I really like to post 'em. ) I mean, pictures take a while to load, but walls of text you can simply ignore and scroll across, right?

[Tup3x]

razviolet wrote...

 

Tup3xi wrote...
I really hope that's not the case, smartphones are catching current gen consoles really, really fast. If they do not release them next year, progress will stall (well... it has already).

Second *sigh* 
@razviolet
That was pretty sad moment indeed. I wish there would have been better alternative but sometimes there just isn't any... 

Phones don't have anywhere near the power of a console but I agree progress feels stale at the moment. Especially in games. In the last few years it's been a war of how realistic, action packed, and linear a game can be. Almost everything I have played lately feels like something I have done before. Graphics wise though, things have been continually improving.

It's impossible to make it through Rannoch without casualties but I wouldn't change it. 

They're catching up really fast and the performance leaps on each generation is huge. It will not take ages any more to catch current gen. Not yet but if we have to wait two years, then it should be interesting. For example PowerVR Series 6 GPU can do ~200 GFLOPS (at least in ST-Ericsson’s Nova A9600). The NVIDIA G70 based chip inside PS3 can do ~400 GFLOPS and it has been announced early this year (it will usually take one year to see actual products). But in any case, I'd like to see something to happen soon.

When I did Rannoch first time, I messed up really, really badly. Everything save Geth died, including Tali. I missed Legion's quest too.

[MizzNaaa]

Oh I have no problem with walls of text. Most of the time I enjoy reading them because it means I have a lot to reply to. As long as your post isn't 3k words long, cause then I'll be like T.T whyyy? but I'll read it anyway.

[Ottemis]

Walls of text don't improve thread readability when one post on it's own is 4 times as long as my monitor's native resolution. It's not what's in them either, it's just that fanfic, for instance, can be linked here offsite. Think: fanfiction.net, femshep.com blogs or even BSN blog posts. Would even seem like a more useful place to store them too, seeing as somebody dropping into a character driven fanfic midway can read them all hosted offsite, linked through this thread.
They get lost fairly easy in here, and if the purpose of posting them is for people to read them, which I assume, then that would be the better solution.

And yes, load and readability are two seperate arguments in this matter, but both relate to posting behavior.
You don't even have to agree with me on the readability part of the argument to see the merit of the suggestion.

I know I am absolutely unlikely to try (it's a monumental task) and dig up part 1 and 2 in a thread like this one moving extremely fast, when I see somebody posting part 3 and I missed the first two. If those would be linked from an offsite location, I'd personally be much more inclined to read them and more able to keep up with them.
And that's aside from the lack of overview when there are a LOT of very long posts per page. Especially when they don't NEED to be this long.

At any rate, I'm prety much done discussing this, it's a string of suggestions that would all improve the thread, not take anything away from it nor do any of these suggestions limit posters in any way.
There's little point in me defending the merrit of these suggestions, they stand on their own, you either do something with them or you don't.

Modifié par Ottemis, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:29 .

[Arkwright99]

I wonder, would it be helpful if, rather than imposing/agreeing on a maximum number of images, there was a maximum (total) picture file size in each post? Given that not everyone has super-fast broadband internet - and it's good to be reminded that there are people here who don't live in the West with its abundance of 3G/WiFi connections - the problem isn't really how many pictures you post but how much data has to be downloaded to view them. I kind of forget that once upon a time (circa. 1999) I used to have to watch pictures load line by line on my 56kps connection.

I try to keep my images to <50kb but some pictures are ~140kb, 250kb, 530kb, even 940kb. We all want our pictures to look great but we should consider others browsing experience as well. I wish this forum made it easier to hotlink images to thumbnails (a preview button would be a godsend to make sure a post formatted correctly) since that would allow people to post (many) small images that folks with fast Internet could then choose to look at 'full-size' if they so wished. So, I don't know whether asking people to keep total image file size to, say, no more than 300kb per post/page might be workable or not, but I'd thought I'd throw it out there for consideration. <vega>Just sayin'.</vega>

Modifié par demos99, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[Ottemis]

@demos99: I'd say no, because too many big images, even if their effective size is small, you land into readability and overview issues. With the thumbnail function of photo-bucket the number limitation is waved regardless.

Individual picture size is an unspoken 'rule' as well, or rather it has been since the old thread. "Don't overdo it"
Logic applies.

Modifié par Ottemis, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .

[merylisk]

edit; on second thoughts, deleted. I don't wanna single anyone out, even if they no longer post in this thread.

Modifié par merylisk, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[SaturnRing]

I'm not gonna bother writing/posting an Akuze part 2 then.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[merylisk]

SaturnRing wrote...

I'm not gonna bother writing an Akuze part 2 then.

What? No! Please do!

[Ottemis]

It's cool how making suggestions to help people makes me feel like the bad guy.
I'm not arguing these points solely for my own benefit here, I'd prolly be the one with one of the fastest lines on the thread and one of the biggest monitors. I'm not being a hypocrite here, this is for everyone. Why make me feel like the bad guy, because I'm trying to root for the proverbial 'little guy'.

If this is how it's gonna be, you can do it without me. Can't open my trap without somebody falling all over it.

Modifié par Ottemis, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:42 .

[SaturnRing]

merylisk wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

I'm not gonna bother writing an Akuze part 2 then.

What? No! Please do!

I don't want it to add fuel to the situation.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:42 .

[MizzNaaa]

SaturnRing wrote...

I'm not gonna bother writing/posting an Akuze part 2 then.

Again, this isn't the point of what we are trying to do. Sharing fanfiction on the thread is one of the best things on this thread. It's awesome reading other people's stories, but how about an excerpt from the chapter, then a link to the full chapter on FFnet or on a blog post. That way, people could also post reviews/critiques of your fanfic without it being lost in the mayhem and you can keep it for later reviewing if you wished. 

[meonlyred]

@demos99, that doesn't help when there is still 10 pictures you have to scroll to. Plus I'm not going to count kb just to post a screen shot and that is not really not applicable when we people are posting fanfic posts here too. I'll admit, I love posting pictures of my Shepard. I have over 27k screenshots. But I've always stuck to the limit. Its what has worked for the last 2 Femshep thread incarnations. I don't know why we are even still discussing this. It started off as a polite suggestion. 5 picture, and only 1 picture spam per page. Finished.

Mizz and Ottemis were ASKING you to be considerate. I can see that is more diffcult than it seems.

@SaturnRing you can post whatever you want, but wouldn't it be better to link it from fanfic.net or deviantart? That way it won't get lost. Five months from now, none of us will be able to find your wonderful story.

Modifié par meonlyred, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[Tup3x]

Number of requests is the real issue these days in internet. It would be faster to combine all images in one large one that post each as a separate image since the waiting time for each request before the actual download can be many times longer than the actual download in worst case scenario. For that reason I sprite graphics when doing websites, use base64 encoding for small ones and do everything in CSS if possible. Blaah blaah XD.

But anyway, posting 1 MB and above pics directly is not wise. I'd say that one large pic in post when there's a good reason for it is fine but bunch of >500 kb images is pushing it. I personally hate messy JPG's (and JPG's with chroma subsampling) with passion but I try to keep size between 300-450 kb or lower if possible. If one page is filled with pictures, it may not be the best idea to add any more. Common sense.

And when it comes to wall of text, well... It doesn't really annoy me at all.

@f1r3storm
Great pictures!

Modifié par Tup3xi, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[JamieCOTC]

Just an FYI on pics.

The five pic "rule" came from Ryn, OP of the original femshep thread after a consensus was reached in that thread. The goal of the rule was two-fold. First, posters were a bit weary of discussions getting lost within the sea of pics. Second, posting too many pics can be considered spam and can actually get you banned from the forum. It's rare, but it has happened in the past. So, it's not just a self governing thing, but does take in consideration actual BW forum rules. Please understand that the femshep thread is a privilege that BW extends to us, and it was a hard won privilege at that. That said, this is a relatively calm thread and everyone should be proud of that fact.

Edit: on fanfic. We have no rules governing that, but yeah, it can get lost in a fast moving forum like this.  That said, people seem to like it and it adds to the community. I would suggest posting it both here and ff.net (or somewhere offsite) w/ a link below (not unlike art that is posted).  Remember what the Salarian in ME2 said about data redundancy? It’s a good idea. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:00 .