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[SebAusFR]

LadyAly wrote...
I like this point of view. But it can be possible the Catalyst is just gone rogue in the past. I suppose logical lines can mess up really bad - and it is proofed that  human logic is very different, cause it is based of much more then logical lines. Example for me is the very old movie Space Odysee from Stanley Kubrick.  The Catalyst was only filled with the data from his creators -BUT - how many flaws have they ? And what has he discovered alone ? His conclusions are still based on the original data of his creators. The conflict between both can drove him nuts

Yes, the Catalyst's creators have a large share of the blame, since they must have inputed some of their cultural bias inside its programmation. It's difficult to imagine an AI that does not have at least some influence from its creator psyche. It doesn't mean it is not mathematical and logical, but some of its interpretation must be based on cultural concepts that have been inputed by the creator, especially since it cannot self-improve. Maybe it became rogue, maybe it is actually doing its job very well. We'll never know, but what we know for sure is that the way it fulfils its mission is not acceptable to us.

Need a picture, now. Have some Kyla, a picture from Rannoch I did not add at the end of the Legion's sacrifice episode Sunset light + Rannoch's rocks + Kyla's colours + Tali = Win

[Arkwright99]

Jennifer's long redux story finally came to an end* the other night.

I've accumulated many, many, many screencaps since Tuchunka, far too many to post, so here are just five from the Priority: Earth mission:











This was my first time playing through the EC and it pretty much addressed all my questions/concerns, which were mostly to do with the flight of the Normandy in any case, but the expansion of the Catalyst at least got rid of Shepard's (pathetic) 'I don't understand' remark (even if it kept the 'So, TIM was right all along' admission). To be honest, I'm slightly puzzled why BW didn't just get the ending right the first time 'round; it would have saved them a whole heap of grief but it's the same sort of puzzlement I have about why 'From Ashes' should be DLC rather part of the game proper considering it's a pretty significant part of the ME3 story (to a large extent, ME3 is Javik's story as much as Shepard's). There was never any doubt that Jennifer would choose the 'Destroy' option (not least because I wanted her to have the 'breathe' epilogue) but with the appropriate other-Shepard I might consider Synthesis, or even Control, for them based on the EC ending now. However, after I don't know how many hours of taking Jennifer through ME1, ME2 and now ME3 (180+?) I think I need a bit of a rest from the ME universe.

*Of a sort. In my headcanon for Jennifer's story, given that she apparently survives the Destroy ending, I like to think that maybe a consequence of Liara's gift to her at the FOB is that Liara is able to sense Jennifer's presence in the galaxy, and that's the reason why Liara doesn't place her name on the Normandy memorial, because she know's Jennifer is still alive. Eventually Liara manages to find her on Earth somewhere and afterwards they steal a ship and go and get lost out in space somewhere, far away from the Citadel and the Alliance and war and everything and they have their little blue children together. Then after, say, a hundred years or so together, Jennifer by then an old woman passed away peacefully in her sleep and finally kept her promise to meet Thane across the sea. I know, I'm just a big romantic at heart. (Highlight to reveal.)

[Ottemis]

SebAusFR wrote...

LadyAly wrote...
I like this point of view. But it can be possible the Catalyst is just gone rogue in the past. I suppose logical lines can mess up really bad - and it is proofed that  human logic is very different, cause it is based of much more then logical lines. Example for me is the very old movie Space Odysee from Stanley Kubrick.  The Catalyst was only filled with the data from his creators -BUT - how many flaws have they ? And what has he discovered alone ? His conclusions are still based on the original data of his creators. The conflict between both can drove him nuts

Yes, the Catalyst's creators have a large share of the blame, since they must have inputed some of their cultural bias inside its programmation. It's difficult to imagine an AI that does not have at least some influence from its creator psyche. It doesn't mean it is not mathematical and logical, but some of its interpretation must be based on cultural concepts that have been inputed by the creator, especially since it cannot self-improve. Maybe it became rogue, maybe it is actually doing its job very well. We'll never know, but what we know for sure is that the way it fulfils its mission is not acceptable to us.

The thing with cultural biass is though, that if you build a logical machine, and you tell it illogical things are to be upheld, it will no doubt rebel against you in favor of logical processes. That is half the premise why war between organic and synthetic life is (or could very well be) inevitable.

We are flawed, our reasoning is flawed and very often tainted by biass and emotion.
Their processes are based off logic, they are pure. The only conflict comes from complex calculations where not enough data is available to say one thing or another.

So to that extend it would seem more logical to me that IF the catalyst would go rogue it would be against parameters clashing with logic. And if the catalyst was as influenced by what we can assume was a very advanced civilisation, and it did follow their 'logic', it probably would never have 'reaped' them to begin with.

Funnily, the 'reaper' solution being viable to the catalyst while it isn't a viable solution to organics is another prime example why the war could very well be inevitable. Their prioritisation and reasoning does not take emotion into account. Their concept of life and death no doubt differs as well.

Modifié par Ottemis, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:20 .

[Tup3x]

SaturnRing wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Afaik he never implied nor said that, not even before the EC. He says to have 'created' the Reapers, more info given with the EC where he says he gave them purpose, where they were created by his creators.
It's implied in programming him to 'solute' the synthetic threat to organics, his creators were reaped: much to their own dismay. Whatever the reapers were created for initially, he repurposed them.

Funnily the 'reaping' makes sense (atleast I think so), we think it gruesome, logically so, but the catalyst perceives it completely differently where their knowledge is preserved and even their organic signature, on some level.
That it's not to any standard of existance or a legacy we'd choose for ourselves is besides the point of him not having done anything outside of his initial purpose and programming. I'd think he creatively expanded upon it, just not in a way his creators had anticipated nor wanted. The devil's in the details, guys =P

You guys are right. He never ever implied that. My brain must be fried.
What a mess though. Like Tup hinted at, programming an AI to prevent other AIs from waging war against organics. How can that possibily be a good idea. And the best thing that AI can come up with is fusing both as a solution for civilizations self preservation. 

At least Deirdre doesn't easily get scared. 
Are you trying to scare me, Spectre?
/snip

@raziel: I know ; it was about time. I'm still trying to get used to shooting/ducking with the mouse. And i get killed a lot. We finally get to see Gabby in ME2.

Ahh... ME1 starting scenes. I was hooked instantly when I watched the intro scene the first time. I haz that shot too!


If it any consolation I suck when it comes to shooting with pad. I just didn't hit anyone in Uncharted 3, it was really painful. Though, I have absolutely no problem with my trusty old Xbox 360 gamepad when it comes to racing. That reminds me... I can't wait to get F1 2012!

Modifié par Tup3xi, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[SebAusFR]

Ottemis, you are right, the conflict between a a biased and a logical process would most probably lead an IA to revolt, in some form, against its creators.

However, when you are trying to mathematically estimate an unknown quantity, there are many potential places where you can have some form of bias. The data can be biased, but the process itself too can be biased, for example by modulating the weight that you assign to some part of the data.

You hinted at something here, saying "the only conflict comes from complex calculations where not enough data is available to say one thing or another". There are methods to give you an estimate on ignorance and conflicts between information sources actually (Beware, maths incoming, the Dempster-Shafer Theory is a RL example). I think, it would be possible to create a process that continues to follow certain bias as inputed by its creator. Of course, we have no ideas how the Catalyst actually works... It might have rebelled, it might be working as designed... we just have the end situation to speculate with

Good point about reaping its creators though. Either the Catalyst mandate was too broad, and its creator did not realise that (they give it too much power), either it rebelled in some form, assessing that its solution was to be implemented at all cost and that its creators were not exempt of danger.

Modifié par SebAusFR, 31 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[Bowie Hawkins]

Just posted chapter 2 of Shepard's diary from ME1, covering the trip from Eden Prime to the Citadel:

http://www.fanfictio...s_Mass_Effect_1

[SebAusFR]

Great read

Can someone tell me why they have such crappy definition in 22nd century TV? Look at that grain! I mean, with quantum entanglement comms & all? Come on.

Modifié par SebAusFR, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:04 .

[SaturnRing]

SebAusFR wrote...

Well it makes a bit more sense of using an AI to "solution" the organic/synthetic problem if you consider the Singularity. Within the context of a singularity achieved by machines, the Catalyst cannot achieve it because it cannot self-improve or act outside of the bounds of its programming. It has a vast autonomy to achieve its goal and it was given an immense power to do so, but it has not moved to a "higher level" like a self-improving machine could do, or moved outside of its primary mission. Technically, given enough time EDI could self-improve and become more powerful than the Catalyst! The Catalyst is there to avoid such a thing ever happening (it want to prevent the ME equivalent of this, which it appears to presume would be always hostile). So it is a "safe" kind of guardian AI, that will indiscriminately attack Organics and Synthetics if they continue going againts the solution.

Seen like that, it's not that stupid to use an AI to solve that problem. Its creator could also have reasonned that an AI would outlive them and could take as many times as it needed to solve their problem. Of course, they did not expect how it would eventually end... Not stupid, but definitely strange, to our human reasonning. But the people behind the Catalyst were not Humans... if there was indeed 20,000 cycles, multicellular life hadn't even evolved on Earth when the first cycle occured

I thought of the fact that Starkid couldn't evolve or self improve as a safeguard by its creators too.But in a weird and twisted way, achieving singularity - like Legion or EDI did - could have help the catalyst understand the value put in a life - organic or synthetic. To think of it, in the end indoctrination was probably the safe guard(i'm so speculating right now) and sort of backfired. I still don't think it was a good idea to designate an AI for such a task. That doesn't necessarily make organics more eligible either. 
Within ME context Singularity, although perceived as a threat, never really was one. I'm tempted to conclude that in the end synthetics would outclass organics. But Javik's abilities show how promising organic evolution could also be.

@Bowie Hawkins: I see the point you're making. To me what makes the Catalyst/Reapers reading of organics/ synthetics history flawed, is his/their meddling in technological evolution. Discovering a relay or a prothean data cache, to me, alters any species evolution and steers them into a anticipated path. Less input from Reapers/catalyst in universe civilization development could prove beneficial. Although i don't know how you can prevent Humans from discovering a prothean data cache on Mars.

@LadyAly: I like the reference you made about Space Odysse. There should be too many variable to account for to include in a simple programming. But i fear once dominant species discover the Citadel, it is the same cycle that repeats itself. Until Shepard got involved. She is the variable that the Catalyst thought he couldn't account for.

@Tup: I'm thinking about hooking my xbox controller to my PC. I tried with PS3 conttroller but it doesn't work so well. I got gran turismo 5, i was thinking about getting F1 too. What's your PS3 gametag?
I agree for that scene with Nilhus. Shepard looks badass when she picks the renegades answers. I do it mostly because i want the Spectre to get to the point and stop messing around. But i like Nilhus.       

Modifié par SaturnRing, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:02 .

[Ottemis]

SaturnRing wrote...
@Bowie Hawkins: I see the point you're making. To me what makes the Catalyst/Reapers reading of organics/ synthetics history flawed, is his/their meddling in technological evolution. Discovering a relay or a prothean data cache, to me, alters any species evolution and steers them into a anticipated path. Less input from Reapers/catalyst in universe civilization development could prove beneficial. Although i don't know how you can prevent Humans from discovering a prothean data cache on Mars.

The only reason the catalyst exists to make any assessments about the state of conflict between synthetics and organics is because this was determined by organics before. What it claims is that the apparent chaos of organic evolution is, in the large picture, not that chaotic at all. That there are underlying structures that make up a pattern spreading such a large concept and entity, it's something too big for us to conceive and percieve. The idea of 'guiding' technological advancement was a consideration of taking away one variable to promote order over chaos in therms of individual elements. "It sped things along" It doesn't pre-define our outlook on things, nor the values we live by. Our emotional responces, our sense of right and wrong are our own. The premise of war rests solely on the idea that we will inherently always be flawed to an extend of it inevitably causing our downfall.

SaturnRing wrote...
@LadyAly: I like the reference you made about Space Odysse. There should be too many variable to account for to include in a simple programming. But i fear once dominant species discover the Citadel, it is the same cycle that repeats itself. Until Shepard got involved. She is the variable that the Catalyst thought he couldn't account for.  

The cycle, or rather the solution was on it's way of being broken many cycles before Shepard's involvement. If anything the message here is: "Life finds a way". Even though we are infinately flawed, we are resistant and resillient, something very characteristic for organic life I would say.

What I think is most interesting about the whole concept, and also the thing that causes the most 'friction' with the concept is that it's a contradiction on it's own. The premise that we WILL spiral into conflict inherent to our nature, but we are also resillient up to a degree of being likely to survive against odds. I think as such it all boils down to how we ourselves percieve life and how much merit of faith we put in our ability to survive our own nature.

Modifié par Ottemis, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[SaturnRing]

Ottemis wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...
@Bowie Hawkins: I see the point you're making. To me what makes the Catalyst/Reapers reading of organics/ synthetics history flawed, is his/their meddling in technological evolution. Discovering a relay or a prothean data cache, to me, alters any species evolution and steers them into a anticipated path. Less input from Reapers/catalyst in universe civilization development could prove beneficial. Although i don't know how you can prevent Humans from discovering a prothean data cache on Mars.

The only reason the catalyst exists to make any assessments about the state of conflict between synthetics and organics is because this was determined by organics before. What it claims is that the apparent chaos of organic evolution is, in the large picture, not that chaotic at all. That there are underlying structures that make up a pattern spreading such a large concept and entity, it's something too big for us to conceive and percieve. The idea of 'guiding' technological advancement was a consideration of taking away one variable to promote order over chaos in therms of individual elements. "It sped things along" It doesn't pre-define our outlook on things, nor the values we live by. Our emotional responces, our sense of right and wrong are our own. The premise of war rests solely on the idea that we will inherently always be flawed to an extend of it inevitably causing our downfall.

That is indeed a grim outlook. Oganised chaos. But i still think that speeding things along is what unable organics(or synthetics) to get the bigger picture. Our emotions or motivations, though unpredictable, do not have an impact big enough to be accounted for in that bigger picture[according to starbrat i suppose] - as they don't seem to steer things away from the inevitable - apart from certain individuals. Though there are signs that the pattern can be broken - Legion LM. But then again hostilities between Quorians and Geth thrust us right back in it.
I think it was a bad idea from Ancient Organics to wanna offer a long term solution to that problem - based on good intentions nonetheless. Or at least their method wasn't the best one in retrospect. But i understand why they wouldn't wanna do that: a Universe free from organics is not a good place to live in.   

Ottemis wrote...
The cycle, or rather the solution was on it's way of being broken many cycles before Shepard's involvement. If anything the message here is: "Life finds a way". Even though we are infinately flawed, we are resistant and resillient, something very characteristic for organic life I would say.

Agree. There must have been many "Shepards" who just didn't make it to the Citadel"upper level".

Modifié par SaturnRing, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[razviolet]

 

SaturnRing wrote...
@razviolet: I attribute Miri and Jack arrogance to a defense mechanism born from a lack of nurturing/self esteem. Their LM to me open their eyes to the fact that Shepard and her crew value them as persons, regardless of their level of biotic skills. The change in their attitude is visible from that point on.I liked Jack from the beginning. She knew that Shepard like others in her past might just use her and then drop her. Yet she went along. Only in the end to open herself up again and be vulnerable again(mostly from a male Shep perspective).

Very true. Shepard has a habit of turning people's lives around.

Sinapus wrote...
-snips-
I followed Sagequeen's blog postings. There might be another article or two in there.

Edit: Ah yes, setting the Mako on fire. Never gets old.
 

Thanks! I'll bookmark these to mess with when I get Jane to ME2. And no, setting the Mako on fire never gets old:devil:

SebAusFR wrote...
Wait, what, the bottom of Miranda's suit? I noticed EDI, but I don't remember anything about Miranda?  

 Hope you liked the latest entry about Legion's sacrifice too? I'll write about the post-Rannoch Citadel visit soon.  

Hah, now you're going to look, aren't you .

Of course I liked reading about Legion's sacrifice, it's such an emotionally charged moment .

LadyAly wrote...
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">@razviolet ]  [/color]
Btw - Men Sheps running also like Gorillas *  

That's what I was meaning, the way femshep's skeletal model is often plastered over sheploo's.

@Ashoken: Thanks!

@Hedeedak: Poor Robin, having nightmares of the dead again 

@Ottemis: I thought the first civilization built the Catalyst and then Starbrat built the reapers in response to the problem he was designed to fix. The semi-sentient AI came to the ultimate ruthless calculus decision, to kill the 'few' to save the many. An action made possible only through a construct void of emotion.

@raziel1980: Gabby looks awesome in ME2 

@demos99: I love the scene with all of the crew gathered for one last rallying speech.

I also think it's strange that Ashes wasn't included in the actual game, I don't think I could play ME3 without Javik there supporting shep and giving valuable insight.

The last bit about living her life out with Liara then Joining Thane was heart wrenching .

Only a couple of pics this time, I'm ramping up to the end. Mercy's final goodbye to Joker as she leads the fleets to earth.



While fighting towards the Alliance outpost, Mercy nearly lost her life when she was cornered by two hulking husks in a derelict alleyway. Luckily, Garrus and Javik where there to provide support fire and drag her out of the way before she could be mauled and crushed.

Modifié par razviolet, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:56 .

[SaturnRing]

@demos99: i admire your poise. The only thing i wanna do right after i finnish a playthrough is start a new one. I like the Jennifer pics you posted.

[Tup3x]

SaturnRing wrote...

@Tup: I'm thinking about hooking my xbox controller to my PC. I tried with PS3 conttroller but it doesn't work so well. I got gran turismo 5, i was thinking about getting F1 too. What's your PS3 gametag?
I agree for that scene with Nilhus. Shepard looks badass when she picks the renegades answers. I do it mostly because i want the Spectre to get to the point and stop messing around. But i like Nilhus.

I liked Nihlus too, really badass and cool guy. He would have been great mentor for Shepard. Real shame that he got killed so early in game. It would have been interesting to see him around at least a little bit longer.

If you use your Xbox 360 pad for PC, the gameplay experience will be 100% the same than as it would be with Xbox 360 in games that support it natively (pretty much every multi platform game, except Mass Effect series, heh). Obviously with PC's other benefits, though. My PS3 gametag is same as here if I remember correctly but I don't recommend adding it since I can almost guarantee that I will not be online there in about year or so. Its main purpose is other than gaming. Steam is my platform of choice.

[Ottemis]

@razviolet : Starbrat says he gave the reapers purpose, not that he created them in the EC.

"Where did the Reapers come from, did you create them?"
- "My creators gave the reapers form, I gave them function"

It bothers me slightly it's hinted the 'creator-race' created the reapers but their initial design for them is not explained, just that they were re-purposed by Starbrat. Maybe they were the initial synthetics created by that race, and part of the organic-synthetic conflict that sparked everything.

The Catalyst even states that, the last race predating the cycle created the catalyst as a means to keep balance between organic and synthetics. He was created to oversee interactions, but despite it's best efforts, conflict was inevitable and it's when it created the solution. This was definitely not something the creator race had planned to happen, because he also directly states they were not happy to be the first reaped.

- "They became the first true reaper, they did not approve but it was the only solution"

That unevolved synthetic life cannot reason the same we do, and does not assign value the same way we do is logical. Thinking about this, the catalyst solving conflict with this solution actually proved the concept true (in atleast one occasion). In solving conflict it took action proving why there's conflict between organics and synthetics, and he perpetuates it. He is, after all, a synthetic being created, after which it 'turned against' it's own creator.

At any rate, this is an old concept, it's been done many a time before. Why this sparks so much debate is because it forces us to think about ourselves. Good examples of a similar theme I would think are "I, Robot" or "A.I.". Just to name two, where the concept of what makes us human, and alive, is explored.

Modifié par Ottemis, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:00 .

[SaturnRing]

@Tup: except for ME series! So i'll have to master the mouse. My Ps3 gametag is Reddremweaver. (xbox is Red DreamWeaver)
Edit:
Just added u as friend on xbox. And  i also sent friend req. on ur ps3.

Modifié par SaturnRing, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:33 .

[Demonique]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Note to self:

Always double-check to make sure you copied the face code correctly before pasting it into the CC. This literally made me jump out of my chair.

Her face reminds me of the blonde East Asian woman from Dollhouse (who was also in Torchwood Miracle Day if I remember correctly)


Also from http://animon.deviantart.com

My favourite non-canon FemShep pairing

[Dragon_Claw]

Yeah... Kinda makes you think, doesn´t it?

[SaturnRing]

@Demonique: cool art.

@Dragon_Claw: i though about it on Mordin's recruiting mission, when contronting humans looters. Though i went renegade on them, Shepard doesn't exactly stand on moral ground...except that she "loots" for higher purposes. n the end looting is just looting. 

Modifié par SaturnRing, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:21 .

[razviolet]

Ottemis wrote...

@razviolet : Starbrat says he gave the reapers purpose, not that he created them in the EC.

"Where did the Reapers come from, did you create them?"
- "My creators gave the reapers form, I gave them function"

It bothers me slightly it's hinted the 'creator-race' created the reapers but their initial design for them is not explained, just that they were re-purposed by Starbrat. Maybe they were the initial synthetics created by that race, and part of the organic-synthetic conflict that sparked everything.

The Catalyst even states that, the last race predating the cycle created the catalyst as a means to keep balance between organic and synthetics. He was created to oversee interactions, but despite it's best efforts, conflict was inevitable and it's when it created the solution. This was definitely not something the creator race had planned to happen, because he also directly states they were not happy to be the first reaped.

- "They became the first true reaper, they did not approve but it was the only solution"

That unevolved synthetic life cannot reason the same we do, and does not assign value the same way we do is logical. Thinking about this, the catalyst solving conflict with this solution actually proved the concept true (in atleast one occasion). In solving conflict it took action proving why there's conflict between organics and synthetics, and he perpetuates it. He is, after all, a synthetic being created, after which it 'turned against' it's own creator.

At any rate, this is an old concept, it's been done many a time before. Why this sparks so much debate is because it forces us to think about ourselves. Good examples of a similar theme I would think are "I, Robot" or "A.I.". Just to name two, where the concept of what makes us human, and alive, is explored.

Perhaps the reapers where the original creator's attempt at forcing synthesis? But why they would create such a thing as a reaper is a mystery to me. I suppose this debacle can only be head-cannoned unless Bioware releases a DLC with more explanations. -sits and stews in speculations-

Demonique wrote...
My favourite non-canon FemShep pairing 
-snip-

Daw, so cute. I still can't see them as anything but good 'girlfriends' but I love the picture.

@Dragon_Claw: Shepard, queen of the hypocrites.

[SaturnRing]

razviolet wrote...

Perhaps the reapers where the original creator's attempt at forcing synthesis? But why they would create such a thing as a reaper is a mystery to me. I suppose this debacle can only be head-cannoned unless Bioware releases a DLC with more explanations. -sits and stews in speculations-

My thought exactly.

[Dragon_Claw]

SaturnRing wrote...

@Dragon_Claw: i though about it on Mordin's recruiting mission, when contronting humans looters. Though i went renegade on them, Shepard doesn't exactly stand on moral ground...except that she "loots" for higher purposes. n the end looting is just looting. 

Shoe sale on Illium...

[Tup3x]

SaturnRing wrote...


@Tup: except for ME series! So i'll have to master the mouse. My Ps3 gametag is Reddremweaver. (xbox is Red DreamWeaver)
Edit:
Just added u as friend on xbox. And  i also sent friend req. on ur ps3.

Don't be surprised if nothing happens on PS3 side, though.

[Bowie Hawkins]

SaturnRing wrote...

@Bowie Hawkins: I see the point you're making. To me what makes the Catalyst/Reapers reading of organics/ synthetics history flawed, is his/their meddling in technological evolution. Discovering a relay or a prothean data cache, to me, alters any species evolution and steers them into a anticipated path. Less input from Reapers/catalyst in universe civilization development could prove beneficial. Although i don't know how you can prevent Humans from discovering a prothean data cache on Mars. 

A thought just occurred to me - it's entirely possible that they seed their technology the way they do in order to make sure that each cycle goes exactly as the last one did. That way they can keep feeling that they've been proven right, when the only reason the cycle kept repeating was that they prevented each cycle's races from going their own way.

[Bowie Hawkins]

razviolet wrote...

Perhaps the reapers where the original creator's attempt at forcing synthesis? But why they would create such a thing as a reaper is a mystery to me. I suppose this debacle can only be head-cannoned unless Bioware releases a DLC with more explanations.

*coughs, points toward chapter 2 of Threnody, side-steps off*

[razviolet]

Bowie Hawkins wrote...

razviolet wrote...

Perhaps the reapers where the original creator's attempt at forcing synthesis? But why they would create such a thing as a reaper is a mystery to me. I suppose this debacle can only be head-cannoned unless Bioware releases a DLC with more explanations.

*coughs, points toward chapter 2 of Threnody, side-steps off*

How...anticlimatic. I can't wrap my brain around Starbrat having a conscience. He's probably the coldest AI ever encountered in the ME universe. In fact, I would almost call it an advanced VI that runs calculations through its head all day. The geth and EDI show emotions but Starbrat does not. Even the reapers seem more sentient. The simulation idea feels like wishful thinking but it's still unexplained as to why the Catalyst takes the form of Starbrat if he's not in Shepard's head.