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[lillitheris]

You’re right, Ottemis. People can feel that each of the choices is a valid one. No more of that.

…

Eek top again. Reusing this until such time as I get to the game again…

Patiently listening to Adams gushing about the engineering improvements.

Modifié par lillitheris, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[SaturnRing]

Mimitochan wrote...



I love that Shep > beautiful art, and she caught femShep's essence really well here, absolutely lovely > http://smailika.tumblr.com/

*vanishes again*

I really like it too. The face's expression is priceless.

[KateM]

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Consider this a quick bookmark. It's been months since I have touched the single player campaign and because of Leviathan I kind of renewed my interest in getting through with my two remaining characters. I wonder if others have taken an extended break too? Or have you all valiantly slogged away, playthrough after playthrough, no matter how conflicted one might feel about the ending and extended cut?

So as a token to my rekindled interest in Shepard's final chapter:

-Nemain Snip-

well, first of all: welcome back:) 
as for your question: I also took an extended break from the SP (and actually still am)...ME3 just doesn't have the same "magic" as ME2 and especially ME1 (for me at last)

@Mimitochan: great art...thanks for sharing 

[SaturnRing]

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

It would seem...What is her natural hair color though?

Modifié par SaturnRing, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[Ottemis]

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

It would seem...What is her natural hair color though?

None or all Krayzi, can't really lose I'd say =)

[Tup3x]

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

It would seem...What is her natural hair color though?

That's going to be difficult one. Heheh! Dawn doesn't look too amused there, by the way.

I'm basically halting my SP run before they release something nice (N7 Demolisher armour perkele!!!)

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[mellifera]

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn
(snip)

She can sit with me! I dye my hair those sorts of colors and change them all the time... though I'm nowhere near as badass as Shepard, but still.

[KateM]

Tup3xi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

It would seem...What is her natural hair color though?

That's going to be difficult one. Heheh!

I'm basically halting my SP run before they release something nice (N7 Demolisher armour perkele!!!)

Get outta my head:ph34r:
I actually had to load my first save to see what color I chose in the CC. It's the red hair color with blue (?) highlights ( the one on the far right I think)

@Ottemis: You know, I could live with this xD actually makes me wondering if anyone else uses some "unusual" colors for their Shep

@yukidama: cool...I like "crazy" hair colors as well 

Modifié par krayzi, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Gilsa]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Consider this a quick bookmark. It's been months since I have touched the single player campaign and because of Leviathan I kind of renewed my interest in getting through with my two remaining characters. I wonder if others have taken an extended break too? Or have you all valiantly slogged away, playthrough after playthrough, no matter how conflicted one might feel about the ending and extended cut?

Leviathan has made me reconsider how I played out Devi. Her choosing Destroy seems dubious now because of the Leviathan's existence and potential as future threat. One day I will do another complete playthrough with her, starting from scratch in ME1.

For now, ever since the EC came out, I consider myself done. When they said they were going to give us the EC, that gave me enough excitement to just ignore the last 10 minutes and play the rest of my characters. I played my main 3 times and finished up two of my other alts run through ME3. Three girls, three endings. The EC was an improvement, but there was still a huge sense of loss for reasons we've already debated/discussed many times. In fact, the whole thing reminded me of Lindsey Jacobellis at the 2006 Olympics, about to cinch the gold medal, but she just had to showboat (SPECTULATIONS!) right before the finish line and fell. *facepalm*

I have not bought Leviathan simply because I know I will regret it (based on past experience) and because I am not going to introduce these beings to my Shepard's universe. She picked destroy without the knowledge of other threats and since there's nothing that's going to happen post EC anyway, it simply isn't going to be a part of Shepard's universe. I will not taint the destroy ending!

In addition to coming back to check this thread, I am wondering if there have been any dev interviews about game development or anything or do they continue to maintain their radio silence?

[Mimitochan]

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

Ooooh, blue hair AND eyes + tattoos, i like your girl > they work really well with the fatigue!

Modifié par Mimitochan, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[merylisk]

@Flies_by_Handles, welcome back! And Nemain is gorgeous from what I can see in that picture.

I've only played through ME3 once in it's entirety. I replayed the ending once before the EC (just to let it sink in more) and then again when the EC came out, and I replayed the intro sequence more times than I can count (lol Gibbed editing), and I replayed some other minor parts here and there (like the Citadel date scenes) for screenshots, but I haven't actually done a full second playthrough yet.

I'm doing a trilogy run with Naomi, my Renegade, and I FINALLY just beat ME1 with her this morning (omg expect a giant incoming pic bomb later) so I do plan to play ME2 and ME3 again in the relatively near future, I suppose. I've only played ME2 once, so it'll be my first time replaying that, too.

Modifié par merylisk, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:55 .

[Tup3x]

krayzi wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

SaturnRing wrote...

krayzi wrote...

hhmm, I guess Dawn doesn't fit into any category with her hair color(s)...darn

It would seem...What is her natural hair color though?

That's going to be difficult one. Heheh!

I'm basically halting my SP run before they release something nice (N7 Demolisher armour perkele!!!)

Get outta my head
I actually had to load my first save to see what color I chose in the CC. It's the red hair color with blue (?) highlights ( the one on the far right I think)

@Ottemis: You know, I could live with this xD actually makes me wondering if anyone else uses some "unusual" colors for their Shep

@yukidama: cool...I like "crazy" hair colors as well 

The tinfoil hat won't help.

[KateM]

@Mimitochan: Thank you^_^ 
@Tup: I've got something else that'll help:devil: 

[sagefic]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Her choosing Destroy seems dubious now because of the Leviathan's existence and potential as future threat.

Yes, way too many people were apparently choosing Destroy rather than one of the right options.

I’ve not played since the original endings, actually. Did the bare minimum EC. Haven’t touched MP (not rewarding lies) and not in the least interested in the plot erosion Leviathan introduced. Just a week or two ago I started another replay after managing to get Eevy somewhere close to where I want her. I haven’t even managed to play ME or ME2 again, I always just trail off

All my time’s been spent writing instead. So I guess something good came from the soul-crushing of the original endings.

(I’ve not quite decided whether to include Leviathan in my story universe. If I do, Eevy will have forgone the artifacts and blown up the relay, but I suppose there’s still a risk that some of the ludicrous plot creatures still lurk somewhere.)

 Do you mean the endings that Bioware intended players to choose (Synthesis, mainly)? Or do you mean that there is one definite, correct ending for anyone's character? I like to think that my characters will make their choice not based on something that is supposedly pre-determined, i.e. Synthetics destroying Organics. Leviathan seems to throw freedom of choice out the window. Their past experience is supposed to support the belief that  war is inevitable.; that creation of synthetics will always lead to a galactic wide apocalypse. There's got to be some way to have Devi choose Destroy without feeling as though she is making herself willfully ignorant of what happened in the DLC.

I think what Jamie said about the endings pretty much sums up how I feel about them:

"I chose _______________ for what it symbolized rather than what actually happened."

There are SO many questions (dare I say, plot holes) with the endings - ALL of them - that I have a hard time finding any one better than another. Destroy might be the only way out of indoctrination... or it may destroy all AI in a vicious genocide and possibly kill all of the fleets circling Earth (it DID say it was going to wipe out all machines, yes? wouldn't that include life support on, oh, I dunno, the Normandy?). Control might be the only way to preserve life in the galaxy and the mass relays, etc. ... or does Shepard go crazy as a goddess and someday become worse than a Leviathan or Reaper? Synthesis might lead the way to harmony and peace and immortality for all ... or maybe in this magic new DNA that is created, all dextro-based life forms are obliterated and everyone looses their uniqueness and freedom of will.

I don't know. I feel like I'm not meant to know - or that wasn't thought out or made clear or something. I guess I like the *idea* that the ending is wildly different depending upon Shepard's choice, but even with the EC, I find the answers...lacking. I feel like a lot of headcanon is going on there no matter what, so it's hard to judge any choice at all.

/end 2 cents

Modifié par sagequeen, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[JamieCOTC]

Gilsa wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Consider this a quick bookmark. It's been months since I have touched the single player campaign and because of Leviathan I kind of renewed my interest in getting through with my two remaining characters. I wonder if others have taken an extended break too? Or have you all valiantly slogged away, playthrough after playthrough, no matter how conflicted one might feel about the ending and extended cut?

Leviathan has made me reconsider how I played out Devi. Her choosing Destroy seems dubious now because of the Leviathan's existence and potential as future threat. One day I will do another complete playthrough with her, starting from scratch in ME1.

For now, ever since the EC came out, I consider myself done. When they said they were going to give us the EC, that gave me enough excitement to just ignore the last 10 minutes and play the rest of my characters. I played my main 3 times and finished up two of my other alts run through ME3. Three girls, three endings. The EC was an improvement, but there was still a huge sense of loss for reasons we've already debated/discussed many times. In fact, the whole thing reminded me of Lindsey Jacobellis at the 2006 Olympics, about to cinch the gold medal, but she just had to showboat (SPECTULATIONS!) right before the finish line and fell. *facepalm*

I have not bought Leviathan simply because I know I will regret it (based on past experience) and because I am not going to introduce these beings to my Shepard's universe. She picked destroy without the knowledge of other threats and since there's nothing that's going to happen post EC anyway, it simply isn't going to be a part of Shepard's universe. I will not taint the destroy ending!

In addition to coming back to check this thread, I am wondering if there have been any dev interviews about game development or anything or do they continue to maintain their radio silence?

There’s really not much news beyond the occasional “stay tuned,” though files for both an Omega DLC and something on the Citadel were found by datamining the Leviathan files. Devs have pretty much stated ad nauseam that the EC was the final ending DLC, but if you wanted to believe in IT (or the Loch Ness Monster, fairy dust, etc) you can. (Okay, I added the Loch Ness Monster and fairy dust bit). So the devs, to my knowledge, are moving forward w/ the mindset that the matter of the ending is firmly closed.  New SP and MP DLC is planned, though I’m sure there’s a betting pool somewhere taking odds on how long BW takes to cut their losses ala DA2. 

As to being done w/ the franchise, I can empathize. Leviathan really did not change my mind either way and while it’s a good DLC, it’s not great.  And it ultimately ends up being frustrating in the end because what you gain is just another number in the war assets. Though I’m done w/ the franchise, like a few others have stated w/ equal conviction, I don’t feel like I’m done w/ Shepard.  An odd place to be indeed.


"I gotta get out of this place if it's the last thing I ever do."


"I guess I could stay a little longer."

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:19 .

[Eyil]

Is it weird if I say that I absolutely love UJ's nose?  Well, her eyes are very soulful too.

[merylisk]

sagequeen wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 Her choosing Destroy seems dubious now because of the Leviathan's existence and potential as future threat.

Yes, way too many people were apparently choosing Destroy rather than one of the right options.

I’ve not played since the original endings, actually. Did the bare minimum EC. Haven’t touched MP (not rewarding lies) and not in the least interested in the plot erosion Leviathan introduced. Just a week or two ago I started another replay after managing to get Eevy somewhere close to where I want her. I haven’t even managed to play ME or ME2 again, I always just trail off

All my time’s been spent writing instead. So I guess something good came from the soul-crushing of the original endings.

(I’ve not quite decided whether to include Leviathan in my story universe. If I do, Eevy will have forgone the artifacts and blown up the relay, but I suppose there’s still a risk that some of the ludicrous plot creatures still lurk somewhere.)

 Do you mean the endings that Bioware intended players to choose (Synthesis, mainly)? Or do you mean that there is one definite, correct ending for anyone's character? I like to think that my characters will make their choice not based on something that is supposedly pre-determined, i.e. Synthetics destroying Organics. Leviathan seems to throw freedom of choice out the window. Their past experience is supposed to support the belief that  war is inevitable.; that creation of synthetics will always lead to a galactic wide apocalypse. There's got to be some way to have Devi choose Destroy without feeling as though she is making herself willfully ignorant of what happened in the DLC.

I think what Jamie said about the endings pretty much sums up how I feel about them:

"I chose _______________ for what it symbolized rather than what actually happened."

There are SO many questions (dare I say, plot holes) with the endings - ALL of them - that I have a hard time finding any one better than another. Destroy might be the only way out of indoctrination... or it may destroy all AI in a vicious genocide and possibly kill all of the fleets circling Earth (it DID say it was going to wipe out all machines, yes? wouldn't that include life support on, oh, I dunno, the Normandy?). Control might be the only way to preserve life in the galaxy and the mass relays, etc. ... or does Shepard go crazy as a goddess and someday become worse than a Leviathan or Reaper? Synthesis might lead the way to harmony and peace and immortality for all ... or maybe in this magic new DNA that is created, all dextro-based life forms are obliterated and everyone looses their uniqueness and freedom of will.

I don't know. I feel like I'm not meant to know - or that wasn't thought out or made clear or something. I guess I like the *idea* that the ending is wildly different depending upon Shepard's choice, but even with the EC, I find the answers...lacking. I feel like a lot of headcanon is going on there no matter what, so it's hard to judge any choice at all.

/end 2 cents

Actually, this is kind of exactly what I like about the endings. There's a basic outline of what each choice resulted in, but still with a ton of room for head-canon based on how you saw your Shepard and the world she lived in. Like you said, each ending can be interpreted and extrapolated in a very positive way, but also just as easily in a really negative way. I think the "epilogues" that people posted here a few days ago for each of their Shepards are a perfect example of this! All of those totally fit with the canon options we're presented with at the end, but fill in the details in very different ways. Dragon Age ends on a similar note, I believe, and I loved that about it.

edit: To clarify, I'm still not totally satisfied with the endings and there is still a laundry list of issues I have with ALL of them. But my issue isn't really the lack of detail or definitiveness regarding each ending. I'm sort of glad that each ending could have very positive outcomes, or very negative outcomes, so it's a trade-off no matter which one you pick. In this way, it ultimately allows you, the player, to make a comment on what your Shepard's priorities are, based on what you took away from the game. In other words, you get to choose what YOU think the message of the game was. Which I can't help but think is kind of cool, at least as a way of pushing the envelope with the possibilities for videogames as a narrative medium.

Modifié par merylisk, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:39 .

[lillitheris]

sagequeen wrote...

Destroy might be the only way out of indoctrination... or it may destroy all AI in a vicious genocide and possibly kill all of the fleets circling Earth (it DID say it was going to wipe out all machines, yes? wouldn't that include life support on, oh, I dunno, the Normandy?).

It didn‘t say that. It says that it will destroy synthetic life—and makes note that Shepard is also partially synthetic. Those two things are unrelated; synthetic life means AIs, and a titanium hip counts as ‘partly synthetic’.

It’s actually—I know, bizarre—one of my favorite bits of writing in the entire game. A significant number of people interpret it as the Catalyst (who can’t outright lie) wants it to be interpreted.

[JamieCOTC]

In the original ending, from the time Shepard goes up the light from London until the crew exists the Normandy we are dealing w/ pure symbolism. I like that they tried that, but symbolism taking front and center just doesn't work in this game. One of the major problems is the kid. He is supposed to represent all the people Shepard couldn't save. He represents Shepard's failure. Is he real? That's up to us. Okay, fine, but I don't know him therefore I have zero attachment to him. So when he shows up as the Catalyst, I know what they were trying to do, but it doesn't work. Wouldn't it had been better to have the Catalyst as Ashley or Kaidan or Legion or any other of Shepard's many friends that could die. But no, they went w/ symbolism instead. Then the EC comes and adds concrete answers to what was supposed to be symbolic and, while I liked the final goodbye, it just digs the grave deeper. Leviathan does pretty much the same.

So for that, I go w/ what the ending represents rather than what actually happened. I chose synthesis for because it's UJ sacrificing herself for the galaxy and forgiving the Reapers for what they did and allowing them a new lease on life. Also, I like the challenge of trying out how to bring her back.

My 2 cents.

@Eyil - Thanks!  I love UJ's nose too. I love everything about Cathy's face.  They should both get together for beers. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 14 septembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[lillitheris]

JamieCOTC wrote...

So for that, I go w/ what the ending represents rather than what actually happened.

I find this an interesting point of view. Why? If you’re already ignoring things, why not ignore it altogether? Why succumb to the symbolism?

It’s like…you’ve already given up on the story, but you’re still bound by it somehow, you still have to pick one? As if you can’t color outside the lines, pun intended.

Not to say it’s wrong or anything like that, just that I can’t really put myself in that position to understand the motivation.

Modifié par lillitheris, 14 septembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[DBlack930]

JamieCOTC wrote...

In the original ending, from the time Shepard goes up the light from London until the crew exists the Normandy we are dealing w/ pure symbolism. I like that they tried that, but symbolism taking front and center just doesn't work in this game. One of the major problems is the kid. He is supposed to represent all the people Shepard couldn't save. He represents Shepard's failure. Is he real? That's up to us. Okay, fine, but I don't know him therefore I have zero attachment to him. So when he shows up as the Catalyst, I know what they were trying to do, but it doesn't work. Wouldn't it had been better to have the Catalyst as Ashley or Kaidan or Legion or any other of Shepard's many friends that could die. But no, they went w/ symbolism instead. Then the EC comes and adds concrete answers to what was supposed to be symbolic and, while I liked the final goodbye, it just digs the grave deeper. Leviathan does pretty much the same.

*snip*

We as the players would probably all have rather seen Kaidan/Ashley/Mordin/Thane/any-other-dead-ME1-or-2 squadmate, but from an RP standpoint, I actually think the kid makes more sense.  A child dying is different (not 'worse', just 'different') than someone who signed up to be a soldier and risk their lives to protect the innocent.  That kid is the innocent.  He represents all the millions of people who look to someone like Shepard and say, "Help me," and whom she's failed.  Ultimately I think the idea fell flat because, like you said, we as players have no attachment to him.  But looking at it from Shepard's POV, yeah, I do understand why it hit her that hard, and I find it believable.  It's actually not the part of the ending(s) that bothers me (that would be the fact that every option you're presented has a "yeah, but..." downside to it).

The other reason the kid doesn't work is that I get the impression that there's a certain percentage of players who don't make the connection between the dead kid and "Starbrat", and just think that's the Catalyst's normal form.  I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious, and I'd never want them to dumb the game down, but I do think they probably got a little too deep and artistic for their own good with certain aspects of the ending.  Guys, you're making "Star Wars", not "2001"...

[sagefic]

W E C wrote...

<snip>

...but I do think they probably got a little too deep and artistic for their own good with certain aspects of the ending.  Guys, you're making "Star Wars", not "2001"...

QFT

And maybe this is just me, but I find Star Wars far more deep, philosophical, and FAR more interesting than 2001.

[sagefic]

I think what I find most frustrating about the EC and Levithan, too, is that it *Seems* (could be wrong on this, but it SEEMS) that the devs/writers have a definite belief about what is the 'best' action and are actually passing judgement on anyone who chooses differently.

That is SUCH a big change from previous decisions. Some decisions were pretty ruthless, but there was always a way to justify them. Execute Shiala? Sure thing - she might be indoctrinated. Free the rachni queen? Risky, but totally justifiable. Everything prior to this decision, no matter how 'out there' had a justification. You might have your own opinion on which was 'best', but the game did not set out to have a 'best' - it just had the options and you picked one.

But again, the ending it feels like the devs/writers are going out of their way to close off certain options and pass judgement on which is best - especially in retrospect, deliberately closing off IT and making Destroy seem worse/ Synthesize seem better. I find that a really strange break from the neutral moral stance the game took before.

um... so that's another 2 cents. make my total $0.04 for the day, i guess.

[merylisk]

Random question... does anyone have the HED_norm texture string for complexion 1 for ME2? I'm trying to do sage's ME3 norm swap in ME2 to see if it has the same effect, but I can't find it anywhere and don't want to have to make a new character and play through that whole intro again just so I can copy pasta it from Gibbed.