1161 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I quite like the haircuts. More options always better but I can't see myself making a Shep with long hair or anything.

I'd love to have a long hair option for my dude Shep. Something nice looking.

[Cyansomnia]

To be honest, I really love a handsome man with a shaved head.  (Could be why my MaleShep has one).  

I'd love to see MaleShep get more options, however.  It's a challenge in the CC as it is, with so few features to choose from.

[Ryzaki]

So lucky. I adore dudes with long healthy dark hair.

And yes Dude Shep is in severe need of more CC options. D:

[Ottemis]

Yeah that always stumped me tbh, the lack of options for dudeshep.

[Collider]

I just go with Sheploo for canon Shep.

[Aggie Punbot]

100k wrote...

If the community wants to be divided sexually, then I can either support their decision (which will result in the thread continuing) or I can argue on the immorality of it (which will result in the thread continuing). 

For once in my life I'm not going to do what is right and argue for true equality, shared opportunity, etc. I'm going to take the easy route, and just go with it.

Despite the fact that I agree with you 100%, you need to face facts. There are a great deal of femShep supporters that will not tolerate maleShepard getting any attention at all. At. All. Because in their mind, you're either with them (femShep supporters) or you're against them. To them, there is no happy medium; to them, it is impossible to support Commander Shepard as a character and not as one specific gender. They are the ones forcing this gender divide, and there's nothing people like us can do about it. If they specifically desire gender segregation (and force a fandom split), they will get it.

And they did.

The days of just being a fan of the game are over. You're not allowed to be a fan of both incarnations of the same character.

Bearbeitet von TS2Aggie, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:40 .

[raziel1980]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I shall move some of my dudesheps to my PC version of ME2 so I can get good pics of them that aren't fuzzy!

That would be sweet... that what I wound up doing...though I also wound just buying ME 1 for the pc and creating a couple of sheps of my own...

Raji Shepard - canon male, renegon, vanguard, ME 1 romance ; Ashley, ME 2 romance: Miranda...


Jason Shepard - first ME 1 for the pc male, renegon, soldier in ME 1, sentinel in ME 2, romanced Liara...planning to stay faithful as I continue his playthrough...


Raziel Shepard - PS3 facecode transported shep, renegon, vanguard, romanced Ashley( through Genesis)....planning to stay faithful haven't really gotten into his playthrough yet...


Solomon Shepard - infiltrator...still orbiting Eden Prime in ME 1...will begin his playthrough of both games once the demo is released...

[Ottemis]

TS2Aggie wrote...

100k wrote...

If the community wants to be divided sexually, then I can either support their decision (which will result in the thread continuing) or I can argue on the immorality of it (which will result in the thread continuing). 

For once in my life I'm not going to do what is right and argue for true equality, shared opportunity, etc. I'm going to take the easy route, and just go with it.

Despite the fact that I agree with you 100%, you need to face facts. There are a great deal of femShep supporters that will not tolerate maleShepard getting any attention at all. At. All. Because in their mind, you're either with them (femShep supporters) or you're against them. To them, there is no happy medium; to them, it is impossible to support Commander Shepard as a character and not as one specific gender. They are the ones enforcing this gender divide, and there's nothing people like us can do about it. If they specifically desire gender segregation (and force a fandom split), they will get it. And they did.

What you're doing here is why there's hostility. I'd cease.

raziel1980 wrote...
Raziel Shepard - PS3 facecode transported shep, renegon, vanguard, romanced Ashley( through Genesis)....planning to stay faithful haven't really gotten into his playthrough yet...

Ahh Raziel, sexy manmeat of a Shep.

Bearbeitet von Ottemis, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:42 .

[Aggie Punbot]

Nope. What I'm doing here is expressing frustration on what they've done to the community as a whole.

[100k]

TS2Aggie wrote...

100k wrote...

If the community wants to be divided sexually, then I can either support their decision (which will result in the thread continuing) or I can argue on the immorality of it (which will result in the thread continuing). 

For once in my life I'm not going to do what is right and argue for true equality, shared opportunity, etc. I'm going to take the easy route, and just go with it.

Despite the fact that I agree with you 100%, you need to face facts. There are a great deal of femShep supporters that will not tolerate maleShepard getting any attention at all. At. All. Because in their mind, you're either with them (femShep supporters) or you're against them. To them, there is no happy medium; to them, it is impossible to support Commander Shepard as a character and not as one specific gender. They are the ones enforcing this gender divide, and there's nothing people like us can do about it. If they specifically desire gender segregation (and force a fandom split), they will get it.

And they did.


The days of just being a fan of the game are over. You're not allowed to be a fan of both incarnations of the same character.

There have been bad moments for both Shep teams. Its not all them. Its not all us. But the Commander Shepard thread proved that they could not only coexist, but thrive quite well together. And, as I tried to state before, using words like "them" and "they" can be a nasty way to stereotype entire groups. 

I don't believe that most of the "femshep community" actively persues personal attacks on mshep community members. And vise versa.

But in the past, a few prominate members of the femshep community were unfairly made fun of (admittedly by a 15 year old brat) and because their community is MUCH smaller than the mShep community, they all felt the effects more than the rest of us.

Yet I saw something remarkable when I came first here. The original femshep community consisted of something around 20 - 25 people, I'd say roughly 16 of them being women. Yet their thread (in the ME2 forum) remains the most active and longest maintained (on a day to day basis) thread probably in this site's history.

The mShep thread was far quieter, being around 60 pages or mostly pics.

Originally I attributed this VAST difference in activity levels to sex: feeling that the women within that thread had created a (fairly welcoming) "sisterhood" that still retained a feeling of exclusivity. But I was wrong. I joined the thread, and though I was a new comer, I eventually fit in. This wasn't a "sisterhood", or even an exclusive club.

It was simply a community. A community of people, all willing to support each other, respect each other, and occasionally but heads for the sake of spicing up the expected monotony that comes with a 1500+ page thread.

And you know what? Within 5 hours, the new femShep thread has expanded almost 3 times as fast as the mShep thread. And I predict that within the week, it'll have reached 30+ pages, while the mShep thread will have only reached 15 or so. 

That's the power of community. That's why I fought and am fighting for the Commander Shepard thread. We can-- hell, we HAVE achieved that there. And with two threads about [sex]-Shepard I'm afraid that the other thread will die out. And I know that the mShep thread will die out within a month. 

No, its nobody's fault. But I'm still gonna fight-- against the "facts". Shepard is worth it. The members of BSN are worth it.

Bearbeitet von 100k, 25 Januar 2012 - 03:08 .

[Ottemis]

TS2Aggie wrote...
Nope. What I'm doing here is expressing frustration on what they've done to the community as a whole.

Well, pot <-> kettle, let's drop it and move on. Looking back is aproductive, specially in our current situation. I'd like to see each of the threads stay civil where both and/or either fans can share and enjoy themselves

[Ryzaki]

100k wrote...
There have been bad moments for both Shep teams. Its not all them. Its not all us. But the Commander Shepard thread proved that they could not only coexist, but thrive quite well together. And, as I tried to state before, using words like "them" and "they" can be a nasty way to stereotype entire groups. 

But, alas, you are right. Facts are facts. If people actually seem happier in segregated communities, than no amount of me moaning about how integration allows for cooperation and illumination is going to change anything.

Sadly true.

Bearbeitet von Ryzaki, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:47 .

[raziel1980]

@ottemis.... Thank You very much!

[ADLegend21]

TS2Aggie wrote...
The days of just being a fan of the game are over. You're not allowed to be a fan of both incarnations of the same character.

I'm sorry, but, what? This is just 100% untrue. I have several shepard's of both genders and I play them equally.my two canon's of both genders are Siblings in my headcanon (my male shep is a self insert so he's younger than my femshep so she's THE Commander Shepard in my story) I AM a fan of both Genders but femshep is under represented on the BSN and in marketting so I refer to Shepard with "she" most times but I love my dudesheps just like I love my femsheps. When Woo said I could make a femshep thread he didn't mention a dudeshep thread, but I asked Ottemis to make one so there could be some unity between the two fan bases without competition. This way we can cut down on the shots at either gender and have a positive thriving community for both.

[ADLegend21]

raziel1980 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I shall move some of my dudesheps to my PC version of ME2 so I can get good pics of them that aren't fuzzy!

That would be sweet... that what I wound up doing...though I also wound just buying ME 1 for the pc and creating a couple of sheps of my own...

Raji Shepard - canon male, renegon, vanguard, ME 1 romance ; Ashley, ME 2 romance: Miranda...

ahhh Raji has the same hairstyle as my Canon Maleshep! great job making him!

[Aggie Punbot]

100k wrote...

But, alas, you are right. Facts are facts. If people actually seem happier in segregated communities, than no amount of me moaning about how integration allows for cooperation and illumination is going to change anything.

This makes me very, very sad.  

I truly wish that fans could just be fans without people dragging real life politics into it, but it seems that is a pipe dream. Seems the fight for equality is going to be a long, hard battle since we have to fight with everyone and not just one gender.

Bearbeitet von TS2Aggie, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:52 .

[Cyansomnia]

@raziel

I like your Sheps, especially Razi and Raji. 

Bearbeitet von Aislinn Trista, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:54 .

[Ottemis]

TS2Aggie wrote...

100k wrote...

But, alas, you are right. Facts are facts. If people actually seem happier in segregated communities, than no amount of me moaning about how integration allows for cooperation and illumination is going to change anything.

This makes me very, very sad.  

I truly wish that fans could just be fans without people dragging real life politics into it, but it seems that is a pipe dream. Seems the fight for equality is going to be a long, hard battle since we have to fight with everyone and not just one gender.

Well I agree it would be a noble goal, but (and not to rail on you but to emphasize the problem) your preconception about femshep fans as you've just voiced isn't going to clear the air nor promote a combined thread is it?
You can't place blame and then moarn the fact that it's impossible. And seeing we'll be stuck with people and their preconceptions from either side, it's not viable (yet). So let this be a stepping stone towards respecting eachother yes?

If we'd all be Jesus, there'd be worldpeace.

Bearbeitet von Ottemis, 25 Januar 2012 - 02:58 .

[raziel1980]

Thank you so much! Everyone for the wonderful comments!

Yeah... Raji is actually my real name...and Trista? I;m following you on youtube...and I love all your ME videos!

[Aggie Punbot]

Ottemis, I respect people that show respect to others. As Commander Shepard hirself said: 'Funny thing about respect, people think they deserve it. Truth is, respect has to be earned.'

That being said, I'll stop derailing the topic now. I do apologize for my frustrated outbursts. I only hope that the people that support Commander Shepard as a character continue to post in that thread instead of the segregated ones.

[100k]

Edited my last post.

[Ottemis]

Ahh I disagree, the 'respect is earned' argument is the same as 'guilty until proven innocent', 'the glass is half empty'.
I personally choose the alternative.
And yeah we'll just have three options now. More to go around? =)

Bearbeitet von Ottemis, 25 Januar 2012 - 03:02 .

[ADLegend21]

raziel1980 wrote...

Thank you so much! Everyone for the wonderful comments!

Yeah... Raji is actually my real name...and Trista? I;m following you on youtube...and I love all your ME videos!

Keep making awesome sheps and putting screens of them on the forums!

[Ryzaki]

100k wrote...

Edited my last post.

Yeah I will make it my mission to make damn sure the male Shep thread doesn't die out. Seriously tired of the male Shep thread being buried completely.

[raziel1980]

ADLegend21 wrote...

raziel1980 wrote...

Thank you so much! Everyone for the wonderful comments!

Yeah... Raji is actually my real name...and Trista? I;m following you on youtube...and I love all your ME videos!

Keep making awesome sheps and putting screens of them on the forums!

I will... I tend to post my playthroughs in the Commander Shepard thread... 

@ Ryz... I couldn't even find it on the ME 2 boards...

Bearbeitet von raziel1980, 25 Januar 2012 - 03:08 .