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[The dead fish]

android654 wrote...

I'm curious now. How would a human kiss a turian? The lack of lips kind of puts a damper on making out, that's kind of left to the species with the appropriate mouths. I can't even see how they would kiss one another.

Turian must surely open their mouth to eat, so they have lips. ( We know they can eat, since they can't eat human food... )
Also it seems I have already seen Garrus opening his mouth a little in one M2 cinematic.

But anyways, they can still use and mix their tongues passionately without thick lips...Personally, I try not to think too much about that. XD

Spoiledrotten wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Question: Who would you want as a LI in M3, except squadmates and why ?

A black or asian girl, really, any girl human who isn't white. No, ambigously brown Ash doesn't really count.

That would be fine. For Ash, I don't think it's fair to say ambigously brown. Latin folks aren't white, they are as colored but in a different way. Still better than nothing for me.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:12 .

[Kmead15]

Sylvianus wrote...
Much better than an autograph ? Is this a true evidence of attraction ? Like she is really interested to hit on him ? Wow.  My female friends, my sisters are saying me this kind of stuff, when I offer them my help to do something.

She could be " attracted a bit, " but she still considers shep like an old friend when she is leaving. Nothing more. She isn't hitting on him. She feels they are close enough so that she can thank him less formally.

Now, nothing prevents to imagine that this friendship can become more intimate in the future, but I doubt that bioware will do it.

Tone matters; the word "Hello" can be evidence of attraction depending on how you say it. Consider how many complaints there are how femshep sounds when she talks to Jacob when she mostly has the same dialog as male Shepard.

I'll admit some girls can be more demonstrative when interacting with friends and that can be misconstrued as flirting. That could be happening here, but Gianna never struck
me as one of them. It's been a while since I played ME1, but the only times she really seemed formal were when she was trying to keep her cover. Outside of that, she was blunt and cordial, but never really seemed especially affectionate. Then again, we don't get that much dialogue with her, so it could be that she just never got a chance to showcase that side of her personality.

And I agree, if there was something there, it wasn't a serious attempt to start something with Shepard and I doubt it's headed anywhere. She's probably not lounging around on Noveria, pining for some hot Shepard loving that will never be or making designs on his dead body.

Sylvianus wrote...
But anyways, they can still use and mix their tongues passionately
without thick lips...Personally, I try not to think too much about that.
XD

You mean like a more passionate version of this?

Modifié par Kmead15, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:40 .

[android654]

Spoiledrotten wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Question: Who would you want as a LI in M3, except squadmates and why ?

A black or asian girl, really, any girl human who isn't white. No, ambigously brown Ash doesn't really count.
A middle aged human, gender irrelevant.

I get that. Jacob's black, Ash is hispanic and we've got Vega who's also Hispanic, so that's something. I would've liked to see Kasumi as an option or at least a black girl in the game as an option. I'm personally not crazy about the Alien characters. Thane is too emotional, Garrus and Tali have zero build-up and Liara wasn't appealing.

Sylvianus wrote...

android654 wrote...

I'm curious now. How would a human kiss a turian? The lack of lips kind of puts a damper on making out, that's kind of left to the species with the appropriate mouths. I can't even see how they would kiss one another.

Turian must surely open their mouth to eat, so they have lips. ( We know they can eat, since they can't eat human food... )
Also it seems I have already seen Garrus opening his mouth a little in one M2 cinematic.

But anyways, they can still use and mix their tongues passionately without thick lips...Personally, I try not to think too much about that. XD

Spoiledrotten wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Question: Who would you want as a LI in M3, except squadmates and why ?

A black or asian girl, really, any girl human who isn't white. No, ambigously brown Ash doesn't really count.

That would be fine. For Ash, I don't think it's fair to say ambigously brown. Latin folks aren't white, they are as colored but in a different way. Still better than nothing for me.

They have beaks. Their lips aren't flexible so they can't kiss like a human can, contracting and retracting the lips from the other person without cutting them with their beaks.

Some latin folks are white. A lot are so pale they're translucent.

[The dead fish]

Kmead15 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
But anyways, they can still use and mix their tongues passionately without thick lips...Personally, I try not to think too much about that.XD

You mean like a more passionate version of this?

LOOOL !
Okay you killed any garrus romance for the future. x)

Android654 wrote...
Some latin folks are white. A lot are so pale they're translucent.

Yep. I don't disagree. Some black folks are also almost white. There will never be just one colour. Some white people, like some Italians or some corsicans have also a very dark skin.

Otherwise, I don't think that Turian's beaks are as inflexible as those of birds. To speak properly, to pronounce words correctly, and communicate clearly, You need to have a tongue and a flexible mouth. A mouth that is not flexible can not allow a true dialect.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 janvier 2012 - 06:54 .

[Spoiledrotten]

Ash is pretty pale though. Easily mistaken for just being white. Apparently even more so in ME3, at least as far as I can see. Really though, I just want more racial diversity in general. I think it's pretty weird that majority of humans we encounter are white, or mostly white. Statistically speaking, most should be asian.

[The dead fish]

The pale Ash came from the leaked script, they changed her skin a bit. Here, the new Ash.



Otherwise :

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:02 .

[android654]

Sylvianus wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
But anyways, they can still use and mix their tongues passionately without thick lips...Personally, I try not to think too much about that.XD

You mean like a more passionate version of this?

LOOOL !
Okay you killed any garrus romance for the future. x)

Android654 wrote...
Some latin folks are white. A lot are so pale they're translucent.

Yep. I don't disagree. Some black folks are also almost white. There will never be just one colour. Some white people, like some Italians or some corsicans have also a very dark skin.

Otherwise, I don't think that Turian's beaks are as inflexible as those of birds. To speak properly, to pronounce words correctly, and communicate clearly, You need to have a tongue and a flexible mouth. A mouth that is not flexible can not allow a true dialect.

But Garrus isn't the only Turian that looks like that, they all do. So THeir speech developed properly and all the work is being done by the translator. He doesn't have to shape his mouth to speak properly, he already does. Still couldn't happen, even if it's flexibe, the shapes of the two are so different that they couldn't do much more that little peck kisses. This gets weirder and weirder now that I think of it.

[The dead fish]

When I spoke about dialect. I spoke about any dialect that uses more than shouting, so words, ability to formulate sentences, which require a work of the jaw, tongue, etc. So, also their own dialect. I know they use translators for humans, but any dialect with words, sentences requires a flexible mouth, otherwise if their beaks would be the same as birds, they would just shout like birds.

Now, I think Turian also do not eat like birds and they can even eat / peel meat. Which requires teeth and a flexible mouth, tongue.

Here a pic :




Seems it is more than beaks.

Anyway, I think the use of the tongue is typically human, and turians do not think at all about that. They could find more " sensation and pleasure " with their foreheads.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 janvier 2012 - 09:34 .

[android654]

Sylvianus wrote...

When I spoke about dialect. I spoke about any dialect that uses more than shouting, so words, ability to formulate sentences, which require a work of the jaw, tongue, etc. So, also their own dialect. I know they use translators for humans, but any dialect with words, sentences requires a flexible mouth, otherwise if their beaks would be the same as birds, they would just shout like birds.

Now, I think Turian also do not eat like birds and they can even eat / peel meat. Which requires teeth and a flexible mouth, tongue.

Here a pic :




Seems it is more than beaks.

Anyway, I think the use of the tongue is typically human, and turians do not think at all about that. They could find more " sensation and pleasure " with their foreheads.

So in summation it would be more like making out with a dog than a bird. They have prehensile lips and elongated tongues, they have sharp teeth for serating and separating meat. But the difference in shapes are too great to actually do anything of substance face to face, but I digress, if the mating rituals (kissing, caressing, foreplay etc.) are so different between the two species would the thought of sex even come about in a "normal" setting?

Modifié par android654, 27 janvier 2012 - 10:23 .

[The dead fish]

android654 wrote...
So in summation it would be more like making out with a dog than a bird. They have prehensile lips and elongated tongues, they have sharp teeth for serating and separating meat. But the difference in shapes are too great to actually do anything of substance face to face, but I digress, if the mating rituals (kissing, caressing, foreplay etc.) are so different between the two species would the thought of sex even come about in a "normal" setting?

It is not supposed to be normal, it's supposed to be different, exotic, strange but you deal with it, since you are attracted despite the differences, and because of such differences. Otherwise, it would be pointless to try to get in your bed an alien. Garrus and Femshep are aware that it is kinda new, turian /human relationships.

The new lovers will learn to adapt to the other, what matters in this relationship are feelings. Sex will come later, as and when they get to know each other.

And Femshep and Garrus can still try to adapt to the other's mating rituals. ( kissing, caressing, foreplay, like in the M2 cinematic ) as far as I remember, garrus is still sensitive to the caress of Shepard. He has probably like any human  a nervous system, blood system, and a skin that reacts to touch.

Cheez, and that's why  bioware do not want to make Aliens too aliens. There would be thousands of thinking like that otherwise. After that's the imagination lol, try not to think too much about the details.

[rolson00]

wow an m/f thread untrolled amazing!
@Sylvianus heh i had no idea you could kiss her although BW could make Gianna Parasini the femshep s/s, instead of the others.

[Haasth]

I am stuck in eternal turmoil, deciding if I like Tali or Liara more...
Damnit BioWare, why did you not just make Liara completely cold and obnoxious in the Shadow Broker DLC.
When I played ME2 first when it came out.. I had no issue making a new playthrough with no romantic ties from ME1 and then going with Tali. But now I can't pick between them.  

[NICKjnp]

And you can discuss the Gianna/Femshep romance in the FFTL thread. We are trying to keep this civil.

[Ryzaki]

Augoeides wrote...
Feel free to ignore this, it's just a lot of explanation on why Ash and my MShep wouldn't work if he was Straight:
Well for me Ashley is childish in the eyes of my MShep, who as a Spacer/War Hero is a super-marine who by this point expects people to fall in line without back-talk unless they have a really good point. Now consider, when he first meets Ashley she's lost her squad in a fire fight, and him being the War Hero he is, is already pissed at himself for losing Jenkins (despite it not being his fault, Jenkins stepped out in the open), but now this random soldier has lost her squad and thus failed to meet the bar he sets for leaders as the War Hero. Then she activates the Beacon which he has to save her from (and while that's good for the plot and in the long run) and he doesn't appreciate her foolishness and then as they get back onto the Normandy he brings up her seeming not too happy with him and she gets at him for questioning her on Eden Prime (because she failed his tick list of sorts) and then as the disagreement escalates, it comes, the famous line (in my mind) that sours any hope for them as friends or lovers (aside from the fact my Shep is not that way inclined but if he were...) and I realize how childish this makes my Shepard sound (and he is in that respect)

"I don't remember inviting you onto my ship"
"This isn't your ship, Captain Anderson brought me on board"

Cue smug look from Ashley.

My Shepard never gained any respect for Ash until she understood and accepted that she had to die in order for Shepard to protect the nuke which Kaidan had activated. Her willingness to take the big one for the team and do so bravely would have repaired stuff enough for them to get closer, and were my MShep heterosexual he may have pursued a relationship with Ashley at some point after that were it possible for both Kaidan and her to survive. 

So from my Shepard's perspective, Ash is too immature.

Glad to know my Shep's not the only one who feels that way about Ash (but he's a colonist/war hero (and the other is a colonist/SS). Everything you just said was pretty much my Shep's prespective except he's an atheist and during the conversation about her religion her "How can you look out and not believe in something." again placed another tick in the immature box. Liara just plain creeps him out and is a little too awkward for him.

Miranda is awesome but he's sadly gay plus she's a little too ruthless for his tastes, Tali's like a little sis, Jack...just no, Samara said she wasn't doing that anymore and he had no right to try to push her, she's several hundred years old she knows what the hell she wants at that point.

So yeah...even if he wasn't gay...no females for him.

I did the Talimance on another Shepard (even though I felt squicked because to me Tali is like a younger sibling to Shep) but that's just for the inevitable face reveal.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:50 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

rolson00 wrote...

wow an m/f thread untrolled amazing!
.

Despite your best efforts to troll.

[rolson00]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

wow an m/f thread untrolled amazing!
.

Despite your best efforts to troll.

i havnt been on this thread for 4 days, why dont you quote what i supposedly trolled?

[NICKjnp]

Please have s/s romance discussion in the FFTL thread. We are trying to be civil in here.

[rolson00]

NICKjnp wrote...

Please have s/s romance discussion in the FFTL thread. We are trying to be civil in here.

fair enough but i only mentioned it by others i ment that they could keep tali,ash,jack and miranda straight and i wasnt  being uncivil he madea snark comment at me that wasnt true at the start of the thread i wanted people to know that im for s/s but also agree with people who support m/f

[NICKjnp]

Okay...but your original comment was about how you were surprised the thread was untroubled and then mentioned a s/s romance. That is like passive aggressive trolling. I get you support s/s romances. This thread isn't about them though. It is about opposite sex (heterosexual romances). Your original post didn't mention that at all...only a s/s romance for Gianna/Femshep after hearing about a MShep/Gianna kiss.

[rolson00]

NICKjnp wrote...

Okay...but your original comment was about how you were surprised the thread was untroubled and then mentioned a s/s romance. That is like passive aggressive trolling. I get you support s/s romances. This thread isn't about them though. It is about opposite sex (heterosexual romances). Your original post didn't mention that at all...only a s/s romance for Gianna/Femshep after hearing about a MShep/Gianna kiss.

yea i saw that thats why i explained but the other guy didnt say "that sounds off topic" 
although the only deep romance is jack the others fem&maleshep are just we're going to die lets shag but jacks one looks like there really are feeling there.

[jeweledleah]

wwwaaaaait a minute.... I thought Giana kiss was just a smooch on a cheek she gave maleshep. you mean.... its more then that? /blinks.

[NICKjnp]

Nope..kiss on the cheek. She gives one to Sheploo but not Femshep.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I always thought Giana was showing interest in MaleShep. I'm aware that there are people who give a kiss on the cheek to friends or someone who helps them out... but no one that I've known has ever done that, so it seems totally unnatural when I see it in-game.

Also, I agree with Sylvianus about the Shepard/Garrus and human/turian relationships. I only have one thing to add for the discussion about kissing a turian. Remember Ashley's "you say kiss a turian, I say which cheek" line? The answer is both cheeks, of course.

Ryzaki wrote...

Glad to know my Shep's not the only one who feels that way about Ash (but he's a colonist/war hero (and the other is a colonist/SS). Everything you just said was pretty much my Shep's prespective except he's an atheist and during the conversation about her religion her "How can you look out and not believe in something." again placed another tick in the immature box. Liara just plain creeps him out and is a little too awkward for him.

My current MaleShep's opinions are very close to this, except that he considered Ashley's comment ignorant instead of immature. He's an Earthborn/ Sole Survivor, and an atheist too, so when she said that to him, his thoughts were, "How can someone find it hard to believe that there are others who don't share those ideas?" He never grew up with those opinions around him, so when he looked up at the stars as a kid on Earth, he saw something beautiful, and someplace he wanted to explore... but never entertained the thought that it had to be part of some divine creation. It was amazing how completely opposite their views were on everything, and I could at least enjoy the fact that the subject of romance never came up with her because of it. That's why this MaleShep thinks Liara is creepy. She has no reason to love him, but she does. It's the strangest thing.

Another conversation between Ashley and this MaleShep worth mentioning was when they talked about him being a Sole Survivor, and she said someone must have been watching over him. Ashley, he's paranoid, and God was the farthest thing from his mind when you said that. The poor guy's heart almost skipped a beat! xD "Who's watching me?!"

This kind of brings up an interesting point. I pair my Shepards with people who have a lot in common with them, and at least basic opinions that they agree about. I never go the "opposites attract" route, because if my Shepards have nothing or very little in common with someone, if their main beliefs and personality are too different, then they hate that person. They need to have at least one very important thing in common to be in a relationship with someone. Now I'm wondering, do you guys play your Shepards' romances the same way?

To use an example with Ashley's romance, the Shepards I planned for her are at least fairly religious, have strong family values (or if Earthborn, want to have a family), and one can also relate to her about feeling the need to prove himself to the Alliance (in his case, because he's a former gang member). One of the things that most of them don't have in common with her is the opinion on aliens, but because they can talk to her about it and try to convince her that there are aliens you can trust, it works for their character.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[Seboist]

Gianna clearly had the whole groupie thing with Sheploo going on as she says "this is better than an autograph" after kissing him.

Modifié par Seboist, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:32 .

[NICKjnp]

The reason I like Ashley the most is because she is religious. It was refreshing the first time I played through the game and talked to her and was given the option to say I believe too.