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[Collider]

Can't say I liked the Jack romance.

[Soviet Rei]

Collider wrote...

Can't say I liked the Jack romance.

Go on....

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Jack is probably my favourite romance that I don't personally do. Certainly the best human one.

I'll be sure to YouTube it when ME3 comes out.

Modifié par Shifty-looking Chicken, 25 janvier 2012 - 12:59 .

[Collider]

Soviet Rei wrote...

Collider wrote...
Can't say I liked the Jack romance.

Go on....

I didn't like that the majority of the romance involved male Shepard pestering Jack into a relationship while she told him to go away. In the final scene, Jack cries and becomes fairly submissive to Shepard, which I felt was the wrong approach. They could have celebrated Jack's nature instead.

There's also the matter of Jack basically pushing aside Shepards who didn't romance her, giving an impression of the "troubled woman just needed a man" trope.

[Soviet Rei]

Collider wrote...

Soviet Rei wrote...

Collider wrote...
Can't say I liked the Jack romance.

Go on....

I didn't like that the majority of the romance involved male Shepard pestering Jack into a relationship while she told him to go away. In the final scene, Jack cries and becomes fairly submissive to Shepard, which I felt was the wrong approach. They could have celebrated Jack's nature instead.

There's also the matter of Jack basically pushing aside Shepards who didn't romance her, giving an impression of the "troubled woman just needed a man" trope.

I'm not sure the former point is entirely true. She did tell him to go away a number of times (and if you come back too soon she keeps telling you to go away without any conversation) but I wouldn't say it was Shepard pestering Jack, and I certainly don't think she becomes submissive to him in that one scene.

As to the latter point...aye. I can agree there. But I understand they're ameliorating that in ME3.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Collider wrote...

the "troubled woman just needed a man" trope.

AKA the Healing Dick. Agree with you on this - Jack was a great character, but that subplot was mishandled in like three different ways.

EDIT:

Also,

But she cried the whole time (Doesn't matter had sex)
I think she mighta been a racist (Doesn't matter had sex)
She wore a bag on her head (still counts)

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:14 .

[android654]

Soviet Rei wrote...

Collider wrote...

Soviet Rei wrote...

Collider wrote...
Can't say I liked the Jack romance.

Go on....

I didn't like that the majority of the romance involved male Shepard pestering Jack into a relationship while she told him to go away. In the final scene, Jack cries and becomes fairly submissive to Shepard, which I felt was the wrong approach. They could have celebrated Jack's nature instead.

There's also the matter of Jack basically pushing aside Shepards who didn't romance her, giving an impression of the "troubled woman just needed a man" trope.

I'm not sure the former point is entirely true. She did tell him to go away a number of times (and if you come back too soon she keeps telling you to go away without any conversation) but I wouldn't say it was Shepard pestering Jack, and I certainly don't think she becomes submissive to him in that one scene.

As to the latter point...aye. I can agree there. But I understand they're ameliorating that in ME3.

If you pay attention, she doesn't really ever tell him to go away.

After the first conversation she doesn't have much of an opinion of him. Shepard says he's leaving and she says "Whatever." After that the only time she tells you to go away is when Shepard starts telling her he's got feelings. In the paragon option she says, "I dont want to see you... For a little while." After that the second time she says to go away is when you initiate the relationship and she ends that one with an affectionate, "Godda***t..." In reality she has fun talking about all of things she enjoyed doing and is confused on how to handle Shepard asking about the more troubling parts of her past.

Submissive? no, but she does open up to one person, and after so much seclusion one can get overwhelmed by it.

[ADLegend21]

I've done all 10 romance paths (both if Liara's) and They're all incredibly well done, I hope they continue to make them all well written

[Ryzaki]

Eh I can't say I was overly fond of any of the romances so far.

Kaidan's/Ashley's was pretty bleh. And Horizon put it into the "yeah no." territory as far as I'm concerned.

Liara was just too creepy to me.

Tali too much of a little sis to my Shep (I have one that romanced her but still...pretty squicky to me. And the whole "let's have sex even though you can get sick and end up dead." factor ruined it. Magical sex gel or no).

Garrus...I didn't see Garrus.

Thane's turned me off with the Carth Syndrome.

Jacob...just...the priiiiiiize.

Miranda's would've been nice if not for the engine room scene.

Jack's a hell no as far as I'm concerned.

This is all my opinion of course. No need to go spreading it around. :innocent:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:28 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I play both FemShep and MaleShep, and I have enough of them planned to play out each of the heterosexual pairings multiple times, so it's great to have a thread like this where we can talk about all of them.

It seems a lot of people liked ME1's romance scenes better, but I much preferred the scenes in ME2. I liked the way they were completely individual for each character and so emotional. My favorites are Garrus, Tali, Thane, and Jack. Personally, I found the more "physical" scenes awkward to watch... It probably has a lot to do with the fact that I didn't care for any of those characters myself, so instead of enjoying the view like others would, I just find something to distract myself for a few minutes. xD They don't bother me, it's just something I would rather not watch. I think all of the romances are great because they allow us to play a variety of Shepards, with so many options if you start off in a relationship with one character and then move on to another in the next game.

Raanz wrote...

I would also support a bit more "love" for the female Shepards as well. Maybe their short list is misleading as I'm only referring to FemShep's options with "human" partners??
Maybe a FemShep player could address this issue better/

The lists for both FemShep and MaleShep seem short if you only count humans. Although, it is true that MaleShep has quite a few more to choose from. (From ME1 & 2 only, MaleShep: Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Samara, Kelly, not counting Morinth because it'll kill him = 7; FemShep: Kaidan, Jacob, Garrus, Thane = 4) Because I enjoyed the ME2 romances, I didn't notice the difference in numbers so much. It was most obvious for me in ME1, when a straight FemShep only had a choice between Kaidan and no one.

[AgitatedLemon]

Liara is also romanceable by FemShep.

So it's 5-5.

Samara and Kelly don't land you Paramour.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Liara is also romanceable by FemShep.

So it's 5-5.

We are in the opposite sex romance thread, so Liara doesn't count.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Liara is also romanceable by FemShep.

So it's 5-5.

We are in the opposite sex romance thread, so Liara doesn't count.

Yeah, this is the reason I didn't include Liara.

The reason why I included Samara and Kelly is because, even though you don't get an achievement out of it (which I really don't care about anyway), they both have romance dialogue. I consider them an option for my MaleSheps.

[AgitatedLemon]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Liara is also romanceable by FemShep.

So it's 5-5.

We are in the opposite sex romance thread, so Liara doesn't count.

6-5 then.

[slimgrin]

I'm a fan of the opposite sex.

[HolyAvenger]

Samara is specifically not a romance. That's the most beautiful thing about Samara's character. If they make her romanceable in 3, I'll be very unhappy.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Samara is specifically not a romance. That's the most beautiful thing about Samara's character. If they make her romanceable in 3, I'll be very unhappy.

I was counting her based on dialogue, not saying she has a complete romance. MaleShep can express romantic feelings for her, and she can return them, although actually following through with it is impossible. I agree, I liked that about her character.

@AL: When you say five for FemShep, are you including Vega? Because my list was only for ME1 and ME2.

[Eshaye]

About the romances, I would really like if Shepard's dialogue didn't automatically assumed you are flirting with the opposite sex... I've never played MaleShep in ME2 so I don't know how that goes, but for FemShep her opening line to Jacob was so sexed up it made NO sense. And it never changed... ?!

In ME1 when you first talk to Kaidan for example, it's very business like and so is his reply, it doesn't change until AFTER flirting has occurred, if you don't select those lines with him he stays professional. So please for the love of the enkindlers, I hope we get that back!

[HolyAvenger]

In 2, the women always initiate the romances- FemShep always cracks on to her LIs, and ManShep is always aware of the LIs interest first. Its a bit weird.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I agree, the way FemShep talks to Jacob is really strange. It actually made me avoid him for fear of romance traps, which is sad, because I like his friendship dialogue. For Garrus and Thane, it's possible to have them as friends without the subject of romance ever coming up. Even Kaidan in ME1 was all right, in my opinion - just one comment where he thought FemShep was giving him signals, and if she says no, then they go back to the professional or friendship talks. (Although, I know some people have had problems with romance traps. Kaidan's dialogue worked fine for me.)

I wonder why they went the opposite route with Jacob, making it nearly impossible for FemShep to avoid flirting.

[slimgrin]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I agree, the way FemShep talks to Jacob is really strange

Thats putting it lightly. It's like the writers were inspired by a bad 70's porn movie for that scene.

[ThePuppetWithNoStrings]

HolyAvenger wrote...

In 2, the women always initiate the romances- FemShep always cracks on to her LIs, and ManShep is always aware of the LIs interest first. Its a bit weird.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think ManShep has to make the move on Miranda first otherwise she doesn't show an interest, and if FemShep is nice to Thane, he makes a move on her first. 

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

ThePuppetWithNoStrings wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

In 2, the women always initiate the romances- FemShep always cracks on to her LIs, and ManShep is always aware of the LIs interest first. Its a bit weird.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think ManShep has to make the move on Miranda first otherwise she doesn't show an interest, and if FemShep is nice to Thane, he makes a move on her first. 

No, Thane doesn't make a move on Shepard. But you're right about Miranda, thankfully.

[GodWood]

Collider wrote...
I didn't like that the majority of the romance involved male Shepard pestering Jack into a relationship while she told him to go away. In the final scene, Jack cries and becomes fairly submissive to Shepard, which I felt was the wrong approach. They could have celebrated Jack's nature instead.

There's also the matter of Jack basically pushing aside Shepards who didn't romance her, giving an impression of the "troubled woman just needed a man" trope.

And this is why I ignore all of her romance content and replace it with my own head canon.

[dragonflight288]

Technically, Miranda makes a move on Shepard first. "Maybe I wouldn't mind if you admired my body?" to which Shepard can respond positively or negatively. Or maybe that won't happen if you choose another dialogue option than I have earlier on in the game. Currently playing through it and getting all the side quests done before ME3.