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Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Well, they're shrinking the squad size down, so that problem will be a thing of the past.


Is it? I only really used a few key powers repeatedly. Most I did not touch. 

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The problem with Mass Effect 2 is that, well... there was simply too many characters. So many that it started to negatively affect the game. Several characters made each other redundant, others had little to no plot relevance (Thane and Samara being two major offenders) and also because of that number you couldn't have varied character interaction. Which is a shame, because the squad really should have reacted to characters like Legion more.

Saphra beat me.

Modifié par mrsph, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:34 .


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Rudy Lis wrote...

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Insanity I almost always stuck with meatshield characters (*cough* Grunt). Didn't really like any of the Biotic squadmates, at least not on Insanity. Too soft, too useless (shockwave was USELESS on insanity) or too overspecialized. 


May I ask you about your Shepard's class?


Engineer. Needed somebody tough to cover my butt. 

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I actually prefer Jack on insanity because of her cooldown time and my Adept make a pretty badass team. Her and Miranda/Samara/Grunt/**** anyone is easy for my Adept.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Fine, please point out to me where the fascinating and deep quarian/geth debate is to be found in ME2?

For starters, you have the Tali-Brand Infodump in ME1.  And then the plight of the quarians, which you personally witness, in ME2.  You see the slaughter the geth inflict personally--you spend half of ME1 and a good chunk of ME2 fighting through it.  Tali nearly comes to tears in her loyalty mission when she tries to explain what it's like to be in her shoes.

I never saw one. Not in ME2, not in ME1. It won't be there in ME3. The interesting debate only happens on the forums. In-game the debate was decided long ago and it goes like this:

The geth are good guys, the geth are victims.

Beg to differ after how many I've used for target practice at this point.

The quarians are stubborn and hateful, they are obsessed, they are flawed.

Han'Gerrel, Shala'Raan, Tali'Zora, Veetor'Nara, Kal'Reegar, Lia'Vrel, and that poor kid, Kenn, were obviously all hateful, obsessed people.  Totally bad guys.  Don't like 'em at all, nope.  What jerks.

Jona, your mother obviously lied about loving you very much.  Because, see, the quarians are just a hateful bunch.

The massive quarian genocide? That's never talked about. Never. The games never bring up just how many quarians must have died or ever address the geth's role in that slaughter.

So, uh... the quarians just magically got into that flotilla by themselves.  Thriving civilization reduced to a mere 17 million, which is less than the New York City metropolitan area?  Mass effect fields did it.  Abandon colonies?  Oh, they just got bored and went home.

So yeah, the debate is interesting, one of my favorites, but it's not in ME2.

The devil's in the details, my friend.  Much of Mass Effect's depth comes not from what it tells you, but from what it shows you.

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Thane is actually very good for the plot because he has a very relatable reason for wanting to go on the suicide mission and he has a great arc when you do his story mission.

Originally I hate Thane but over time he has really grown on me.

Too bad he's crap in combat and not much of an "assassin".

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Well, they're shrinking the squad size down, so that problem will be a thing of the past.


Is it? I only really used a few key powers repeatedly. Most I did not touch. 

Well, not only will your squadmates have more powers (and more unique powers) this time around, but you'll get choices of how to evolve those powers more than in ME2.

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Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Well, they're shrinking the squad size down, so that problem will be a thing of the past.


Is it? I only really used a few key powers repeatedly. Most I did not touch. 

Well, not only will your squadmates have more powers (and more unique powers) this time around, but you'll get choices of how to evolve those powers more than in ME2.


That sounds really awesome. I can't wait to develop these unique powers.

By the way, Shifty. I got that BBq suace right here.

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Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Well, they're shrinking the squad size down, so that problem will be a thing of the past.


Is it? I only really used a few key powers repeatedly. Most I did not touch. 

Well, not only will your squadmates have more powers (and more unique powers) this time around, but you'll get choices of how to evolve those powers more than in ME2.


I already have build ideas for my Shepard and my squadmates!

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Engineer. Needed somebody tough to cover my butt. 


Thanks. I used soldier, so used different approach. Slightly.

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Ravensword wrote...

By the way, Shifty. I got that BBq suace right here.

Oh, no...

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Ravensword wrote...

That sounds really awesome. I can't wait to develop these unique powers.

By the way, Shifty. I got that BBq suace right here.


Have you seen the confirmed powers thread?

The front page has like, all the powers and their evolutions. It's gonna be SWEET.

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How do we unlock bonus powers from our squaddies this time around anyway? I. Want. Carnage.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

That sounds really awesome. I can't wait to develop these unique powers.

By the way, Shifty. I got that BBq suace right here.


Have you seen the confirmed powers thread?

The front page has like, all the powers and their evolutions. It's gonna be SWEET.

They're missing some from Prothy, unfortunately.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Thane is actually very good for the plot because he has a very relatable reason for wanting to go on the suicide mission and he has a great arc when you do his story mission.

Originally I hate Thane but over time he has really grown on me.

Too bad he's crap in combat and not much of an "assassin".


I would have merged Samara and Thane into one character myself. Maybe Garrus and Zaeed too.

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

How do we unlock bonus powers from our squaddies this time around anyway? I. Want. Carnage.


Don't know. No loyalty missions this time around...

Maybe they come unlocked?

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

For starters, you have the Tali-Brand Infodump in ME1.  And then the plight of the quarians, which you personally witness, in ME2.  You see the slaughter the geth inflict personally--you spend half of ME1 and a good chunk of ME2 fighting through it.  Tali nearly comes to tears in her loyalty mission when she tries to explain what it's like to be in her shoes.


I'm still not seeing a debate here.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Han'Gerrel, Shala'Raan, Tali'Zora, Veetor'Nara, Kal'Reegar, Lia'Vrel, and that poor kid, Kenn, were obviously all hateful, obsessed people.  Totally bad guys.  Don't like 'em at all, nope.  What jerks.

Jona, your mother obviously lied about loving you very much.  Because, see, the quarians are just a hateful bunch.


Tali and Gerrel are absolutely hated and obsessed, same with Xen. Shala never gives us much of an opinion.

Again though, there is no debate being offered here.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The devil's in the details, my friend.  Much of Mass Effect's depth comes not from what it tells you, but from what it shows you.


It doesn't show much. The only thing that comes close is Tali talking about what it's like to be in a suit.

The player is never encouraged to confront the geth over these crimes. Even if they were, they are never allowed to.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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She's pretty much useless on lower levels but maxed out she's alright. On my insanity run I found myself utilizing her warp ammo and pull powers frequently.

She's still much weaker then she should be though. Far too much glass, not nearly enough canon.

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Too true.

Saphra Deden wrote...
Thane is actually very good for the plot because he has a very relatable reason for wanting to go on the suicide mission and he has a great arc when you do his story mission.

Originally I hate Thane but over time he has really grown on me.

Too bad he's crap in combat and not much of an "assassin".

What I think Thane needed was some kind of actual practical purpose in the SM. Something that puts his assassin skills to use.

Modifié par GodWood, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:43 .


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Saphra Deden wrote...

Thane is actually very good for the plot because he has a very relatable reason for wanting to go on the suicide mission and he has a great arc when you do his story mission.

He does.  Plus it has a dancing turian, and Kolyat makes funny noises when you shoot him.

Originally I hate Thane but over time he has really grown on me.

Same here.  At first I was like, "Ew, obvious attempt to make ideal love interest, go take your clichés elsewhere."  And then it was like, "Whoa man, slow down, you just did a whole bunch of badass things and said something really touching, this calls for group hugs."

Too bad he's crap in combat and not much of an "assassin".

Crap in combat?  He's my wingman.  He snipes, he warps, he throws, and god damn, 50% weapon damage bonus?  Oh hell yeah.

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mrsph wrote...

I would have merged Samara and Thane into one character myself. Maybe Garrus and Zaeed too.


I already did that.

Thane/Samara = a retiring Justicar who has begun to question the code and thus is looking back on her life unsure of whether or not she lived a good and just one.

Zaeed/Jacob = a veteran Cerberus operative who see's through Cerberus' PR and has a harsh view of the galaxy.

Miranda/Jack = a Cerberus baby raised from birth to believe in the organization. Young and eager, she's also naive. Jacob/Zaeed is kind of her "handler". She believes in Cerberus so fully because she feels she needs it to validate her existence.

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I took Thane and Jacob on a mission Once. Oohhhh, what a mistake that was. I had to fight it out by myself because Jacob was too busy yelling about his barrier while he was squatting 6 feet back. And Thane was off somewhere hiding behind a door frame....

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mrsph wrote...
I would have merged Samara and Thane into one character myself. Maybe Garrus and Zaeed too.

I'm thinking Jacob + Zaeed myself.

EDIT: Dammit Saph.

Modifié par GodWood, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:49 .


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Don't like the Miranda/Jack mix. The other two sound like plausible interesting characters.

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Have to say, my eagerness to actually use Thane in combat increased substantially once I could respec his skill points out of his utterly God damn useless +health damage ammo power.

Dude. Seriously. Stop overwriting your warp ammo. I'm begging y- God damnit you did it again.

Modifié par bleetman, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:50 .


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Don't like the Miranda/Jack mix. The other two sound like plausible interesting characters.


I had other ideas for Jack too. Her character could have had a lot more.

I think it would have been fascinating if part of her condition to join the crew was a chance to talk to the Illusive Man. Maybe we'd get to witness that conversation or at least have her tell us what they talked about.

Secondly, I think her outfit, rather than tattooes, should have been a Cerberus assault armor that Jack would modifty. She'd cover it in graffiti and graft pieces of other armor on it, like trophies maybe.