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[Seboist]

ME1:

Liara without a doubt should have never been a squadmate. There's absolutely nothing credible about a socially inept bookworm hermit with no military training being as capable as battle hardened military veterans like Wrex,Garrus, Ash or Kaidan. She should have remained the Prothean expert with ties to Benezia and stayed on the ship or gone wherever he expertise was needed.


ME2&3:

Garrus should have become involved in some C-Sec or Spectre plotline instead of having his player influenced character development discarded so they could shoehorn him as Shepard's eternal sidekick to fan pander.

EDI the sexbot...... no amount of words can describe what an atrocious concept this abomination with it's pedofilic undertones is.

The Prothean, if it's not a VI/AI uploaded to a robot chasis then it makes a mockery of the lore and makes the Reapers look more inept(as if the mary-sue-able SM didn't do that enough).

Liara the Shadow Broker being shoehorned into the squad is another atrocious idea that proves the devs don't plan anything in advance and have no qualms with disregarding the story to fan pander.

[RiptideX1090]

Volus Warlord wrote...
She's is screwed up beyond repair. A true lost cause.

Oh, you are going to hate ME3.

Or love it, more likely.

[Labrev]

Liara never did make much sense. They're trying to tell us that an asari archaeologist who by her own admission is little more than a child is the same caliber a fighter as two Alliance marines, a krogan bountyhunter, a cop, and a quarian daughter of an Admiral with military training? She even says in LotSB how she cowered at the krogan on Therum, but she'd have had to fight many krogan on the mission as well. It's dumb stuff.

I can accept Samara given the use for her as a biotic specialist, one of only two viable options. That being said, she is my least used squadmate by a long mile. Her powers and weapons training is the most redundant set of skills possible. Her LM might be the only time I ever have her in my squad. Now if they gave her Liara's LotSB powers, she'd be far, far more useful. As is, the child has more advanced biotic skills than the near-matriarch.

And for that matter, same goes for Tali. Basically never used in gameplay - overspecialized. She was somewhat useful in ME1, then not at all in ME2, and I highly doubt I'll bother with her in ME3.

[RiptideX1090]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

I have to disagree with Saphra over whether Tali is a good character, and over whether Legion is a good character, and over whether the peace ending is good, and over who knows what else, but here I'm going to have to actually agree: the way ME has handled the quarians vs. geth situation has been biased towards the geth side.

Given what happens in ME3, I am inclined to agree.

Consider, however, that if you were writing the series, you would kind of need to do that. Most people would not side with the non-organics if they were not more sympathetic.

Or so conventional wisdom would hold.

[Welsh Inferno]

No but really, Saph does have some good points. I would of really liked the chance to talk about the genocide with Legion and Tali both there. But it's never talked about sadly.

[Volus Warlord]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I know you are but what am I?

Don't know about you, but I am your Queen and Goddess, and my wrath is both awesome and terrible.  Now, get to the prayers and sacrifices before I'm forced to smite you with the plague or something.

Somebody needs to draw a picture of several people wearing purple robes and quarian helmets praying in a circle around a statue of Tali'Zorah.

"Lair of the Talimancers" it will be called.

As long as I can burn the place.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Late reply but...

MindoirsSoleSurvivor wrote...

Liara- only useful for shadowbroker position, and should have stayed as npc in me3 and me1

Wrex- essential becuase he is a good character and just badass

Fanboyism for Liara aside which would make me want to falcon punch you for suggesting she shouldn't of been a squaddie, this statement makes no sense.

How is Liara unimportant when she is the daughter of one of the main antagonists of the first game, the character that actually single handedly helps you make sense of yoru visions and tells you where to even find the conduit at all, saves shepards corpse and hands it over to cerberus thus allowing ME2 to even take place, and then SB stuff too. 

Yet, Wrex is essential.... because he is cool.  I'm not saying he isn't cool, hes a ginuine BAMF but that said, he has little if any real importance to the overall plot.  In fact you have the option to not even bring him along at all and you'd never see him again in the rest of the series. 

Nah, your just making a list of characters you like and don't like.  Admit it.

[RiptideX1090]

Saphra Deden wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Consider, however, that if you were writing the series, you would kind of need to do that. Most people would not side with the non-organics if they were not more sympathetic.

Or so conventional wisdom would hold.

Yeah, let's dumb down our game so idiots can understand it. I just love the way the world works.

Most people are idiots.

Hell, take a look around these forums if you do not believe that.

[Volus Warlord]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
She's is screwed up beyond repair. A true lost cause.

Oh, you are going to hate ME3.

Or love it, more likely.

I'm going to rate ME3 as 10 - (number of facepalms on first playthrough/3). So that might be one already.

[GodWood]

Volus Warlord wrote...
Jack...Also, try NOT dying every two seconds.

She's pretty much useless on lower levels but maxed out she's alright. On my insanity run I found myself utilizing her warp ammo and pull powers frequently.

She's still much weaker then she should be though. Far too much glass, not nearly enough canon.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Most people are idiots.

Hell, take a look around these forums if you do not believe that.

This would appear to be true. When a chicken is smarter than most of the people around here, you know something is wrong.

[Hathur]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Cheez, you should know me well enough to know that I don't see the quarian/geth issue this way. However that is how ME2 insists on portraying it and they do that largely through the way they portray Legion.

You see a lot of things in ways most people don't.  Occasionally, that provides wonderful insight for the rest of us.  Just as frequently, however, you jump nuts-first into an abyss of twisted logic and borderline sociopathy.

Full of angry little fishies that jump up and insult people.

Such is the cost of your genius, I suppose.

I'm debating whether or not I meant that last line sarcastically.  You are pretty damn smart.

 Was like reading poetry ... though the bolded part had me kinda like this for a moment 

Modifié par Hathur, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:28 .

[RiptideX1090]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Most people are idiots.

Hell, take a look around these forums if you do not believe that.

This would appear to be true. When a chicken is smarter than most of the people around here, you know something is wrong.

I laughed.

[S.A.K]

Volus Warlord wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
She's is screwed up beyond repair. A true lost cause.

Oh, you are going to hate ME3.

Or love it, more likely.

I'm going to rate ME3 as 10 - (number of facepalms on first playthrough/3). So that might be one already.

Iseewhatyoudidthere.

[Volus Warlord]

GodWood wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
Jack...Also, try NOT dying every two seconds.

She's pretty much useless on lower levels but maxed out she's alright. On my insanity run I found myself utilizing her warp ammo and pull powers frequently.

She's still much weaker then she should be though. Far too much glass, not nearly enough canon.

Insanity I almost always stuck with meatshield characters (*cough* Grunt). Didn't really like any of the Biotic squadmates, at least not on Insanity. Too soft, too useless (shockwave was USELESS on insanity) or too overspecialized. 

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is there are too many squadmates. Jack should have barrier and some combat powers, like say carnage. However the huge squadmate roster forced the devs to spread everything around way too much .

Well, they're shrinking the squad size down, so that problem will be a thing of the past.

[DarkPsylocke26]

If you don't like any of the squadmates why are you playing ME still?

[rapscallioness]

I like Legion, but I don't know about the rest of those Geth.

I remember some conversation with him where he mentions that he is unique. He was made to operate within organic...circles...I can't remember exactly. That might explain this strange approaching sentience he has?

Also, he mentioned something about how the Geth were in their space stations orbiting around whatever the homeworld of the Quarians is...sorry. They cleaned it up, and were just taking care of it until the Quarians returned.

It was lie they fully expected the Quarians to return any day. Like everything was fine. The war was over...what's the problem? We settled it; we won; game over. No hard feelings.

This made me think that the Geth might really not understand the depth of that war. The trauma of it. Because how could they understand it in that way when they're robots? They probably view it as what needed to be done was done. It's over...why is everyone still upset?

I also thought, do the Quarians know this?

[S.A.K]

Volus Warlord wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
Jack...Also, try NOT dying every two seconds.

She's pretty much useless on lower levels but maxed out she's alright. On my insanity run I found myself utilizing her warp ammo and pull powers frequently.

She's still much weaker then she should be though. Far too much glass, not nearly enough canon.

Insanity I almost always stuck with meatshield characters (*cough* Grunt). Didn't really like any of the Biotic squadmates, at least not on Insanity. Too soft, too useless (shockwave was USELESS on insanity) or too overspecialized. 

Jack keeps dying a lot. which isn't surprising when you look at how much armor she's wearing.

[Rudy Lis]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Insanity I almost always stuck with meatshield characters (*cough* Grunt). Didn't really like any of the Biotic squadmates, at least not on Insanity. Too soft, too useless (shockwave was USELESS on insanity) or too overspecialized. 

May I ask you about your Shepard's class?