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[Khran1505]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up but...

Why is Kai Leng using a cane? If Cerberus could bring Shepard back from the flipping dead, why hasn't Kai Leng's leg been treated so he can operate at 100%? It's only been two years between books, y'know, the same amount of time that went into Shepard's freaking revival. Is it really so trying for him to get his leg freaking healed between books?

[AtreiNero]

HiroVoid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

love how everyone from the staff is always silent when **** hits the fan

What do you expect them to say?  They're not going to say anything negative or bad about the book including saying its details shouldn't be taken seriously before the book releases.  They DO want the book to sell.  Coming in here and saying something praising about the book will have the users turn on them.  Saying Biwoare did review the final thing would get them criticized like crazy for all the mistakes.  Saying they didn't would get them blasted by everyone for not doing so.

BioWare should be more concerned with its fan who won't buy the book now because of all the issues. If they want the book to sell, yank the stupid thing, make the author rewrite it in line with canon, and then rerelease it and call the first release, a mistake. We'll still be angry as wasps, but we'd at least say thank you for fixing this disaster. Someone needs to come forward and say there was a mistake, and it needs to be fixed. Otherwise the book will only serve as kindling.

[Maugrim]

Hello Man wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Pisses me off, the author is paid good money to write a novel that is set in the Mass Effect universe. If he wasnt sure about certain facts and unable to check with Casey or Mac, the Mass Effect wiki is awesome and pretty thorough.

It should also have been i his contract to play ME1 and 2 through and read all other tie in novels before he was to start on Deception.

While I do agree the WIki is the next best thing to an Encyclopedia. Bioware should've given him their own Mass Effect bible.

Requiring authors to play a game isn't realistic IMO. It shows that your into what your going to right but that doesn't mean you'll actually screw up.

Dude you do know that Dietz himself, just a few days ago in a letter to my inquiry, says he did  play the game and a writer should expect to play the game if writing a tie-in novel? No one is saying he should be harmed, but sometimes there are no excuses.  Dietz was hired to do a job and he failed, bottom line.  Casey and Mac and the other person where hired to do/had  a job editing and they failed was well.  They are equally at fault

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:31 .

[JamesFaith]

Hello Man wrote...


I wasn't against the idea of another author taking over. But obviously Bioware was either being cheap here or they weren't looking into a large pool of other qualified authors.

Fact is that Dietz has few own series of space operas.  I didn't read them, but there have (suprisingly) high rating on Amazon. Maybe there were reason why they choose Dietz. Unfortunatelly for them (and us) Dietz is awful freelancer,  who isn't able to continue in someone work and in this case he obviously toke it like writing some actions and everything will be perfect, no need to want  more.

[crimzontearz]

HiroVoid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
love how everyone from the staff is always silent when **** hits the fan

What do you expect them to say?  They're not going to say anything negative or bad about the book including saying its details shouldn't be taken seriously before the book releases.  They DO want the book to sell.  Coming in here and saying something praising about the book will have the users turn on them.  Saying Biwoare did review the final thing would get them criticized like crazy for all the mistakes.  Saying they didn't would get them blasted by everyone for not doing so.

and silence will only incite conspiracy theories and more anger

at this point all they can do is apologize......j/k

[AVPen]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, Nick apparently fights a salarian female, who from what I can gather is working as a merc on Omega:

One minute later Nick found himself at one end of the space that separated the two tables. Directly across from him was a willowy-looking salarian female rather than the turian he expected to face.

This strikes me as just a little bit unlikely.

........ what?



<_<

........  WHAT?!?!

Modifié par AVPen, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:35 .

[didymos1120]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

It wasn't I who found it.  Someone, don't recall who, remarked that OSDs are never mentioned in Deception, unlike previous novels.  Instead we just get references to generic "chips".  I.e., just yet another little departure from the established facts of ME.  In fact, in the previous novels, "chips" usually referred to credits.

There is in fact one instance of OSD in the book, but even it makes no sense.

Then, after killing three staff members, he entered the OSD library, where every readout and every test result were stored

OSD Library? Is that like a shelf of DVDs? Couldn't you store your test results on a computer or something?

Oh, Dietz got confused about something from Retribution:

In the back of the lab was another door; beyond it were the data archives. The archives consisted of an OSD library and server array that contained every reading and every result from every test on every student who had ever participated in the Ascension Project.

I'm guessing the OSDs were backups or something. 

[The Love Runner]

crimzontearz wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
love how everyone from the staff is always silent when **** hits the fan

What do you expect them to say?  They're not going to say anything negative or bad about the book including saying its details shouldn't be taken seriously before the book releases.  They DO want the book to sell.  Coming in here and saying something praising about the book will have the users turn on them.  Saying Biwoare did review the final thing would get them criticized like crazy for all the mistakes.  Saying they didn't would get them blasted by everyone for not doing so.

and silence will only incite conspiracy theories and more anger

at this point all they can do is apologize......j/k

I'm sorry, and we have to be cereal about this...

[izmirtheastarach]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Dude you do know that Dietz himself, just a few days ago in a letter to my inquiry, says he did  play the game and a writer should expect to play the game if writing a tie-in novel? No one is saying he should be harmed, but sometimes there are no excuses.  Dietz was hired to do a job and he failed, bottom line.  Casey and Mac and the other person where hired to do/had  a job editing and they failed was well.  They are equally at fault

It seems like he doesn't explicitly say he played the game. It seems like he's just saying that in most cases he would.  Either way, it doesn't matter what he read or what he played. Because the errors are there for all to see. And SOMEONE at some point in this process should have found them.

[AppleBanana]

This novel is ****

END OF RINE

RINE ENDS HERE -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[JamesFaith]

didymos1120 wrote...

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In the back of the lab was another door; beyond it were the data archives. The archives consisted of an OSD library and server array that contained every reading and every result from every test on every student who had ever participated in the Ascension Project.

I'm guessing the OSDs were backups or something. 

Probably some equivalent server room or place, where you storage data too important and private to be load to computer with access to extranet.

[Maugrim]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Dude you do know that Dietz himself, just a few days ago in a letter to my inquiry, says he did  play the game and a writer should expect to play the game if writing a tie-in novel? No one is saying he should be harmed, but sometimes there are no excuses.  Dietz was hired to do a job and he failed, bottom line.  Casey and Mac and the other person where hired to do/had  a job editing and they failed was well.  They are equally at fault

It seems like he doesn't explicitly say he played the game. It seems like he's just saying that in most cases he would.  Either way, it doesn't matter what he read or what he played. Because the errors are there for all to see. And SOMEONE at some point in this process should have found them.

William C. Dietz wrote...
Once terms have been established, or even as they are
being established assuming that you're pretty sure that you will agree
to the deal, start playing the game. I can't emphasize that enough.
Remember, the people that you will be working for (the game designers
more than the publisher) are fanatics. They created the game and
typically eat, sleep, and are married to it. Naturally interlopers such
as yourself are going to judged by how well they know the game, the
degree to which they appreciate its intricacies, and how cool they are
perceived to be.

There are no excuses.  Those are his own words.

[izmirtheastarach]

didymos1120 wrote...

In the back of the lab was another door; beyond it were the data archives. The archives consisted of an OSD library and server array that contained every reading and every result from every test on every student who had ever participated in the Ascension Project.

I'm guessing the OSDs were backups or something. 

So he literally copy and pasted from Retribution?

[crimzontearz]

also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOT BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[izmirtheastarach]

I have read the letter. All I'm saying is that he answered the question like a hypothetical. Rather then just saying "I played the games and read the books". It just seems like weasel words to me, which makes me blame him even more. He can't even strongly defend his own work.

[Khran1505]

crimzontearz wrote...

also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOY BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?

Slapping themselves on the wrist and preparing to **** out the inevitably awesome Mass Effect 3, hoping we'll forget this travesty ever happened?

[MissOuJ]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, Nick apparently fights a salarian female, who from what I can gather is working as a merc on Omega:

One minute later Nick found himself at one end of the space that separated the two tables. Directly across from him was a willowy-looking salarian female rather than the turian he expected to face.

This strikes me as just a little bit unlikely.

Yeah, I remember that one. Aren't salarian biotics very esteemed and highly prized individuals? Also, very rare? So why would a biotic salarian enlist with some z-list merc band on Omega? Does not commute.

And isn't it very rare for a salarian female to leave her home world because they have immense political power in their region since they have a big say on the reproductive negotiations, since females are so rare...?

I mean, kudos for Dietz for including some women in his writing... but next time he should probably make sure 1) it doesn't contradict lore, and that 2) he doesn't kill them right off.

[Iohanna]

JamesFaith wrote...

Fact is that Dietz has few own series of space operas.  I didn't read them, but there have (suprisingly) high rating on Amazon. Maybe there were reason why they choose Dietz. Unfortunatelly for them (and us) Dietz is awful freelancer,  who isn't able to continue in someone work and in this case he obviously toke it like writing some actions and everything will be perfect, no need to want  more.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that either. When you get a contest from BioWare themselves who lists that their judging is based on, none other than:

Chris Priestly said...

Writing will be judged on originality, understanding of & respect for the Intellectual Property, writing quality, grammar & spelling, and keeping within the parameters established in the Dragon Age Universe.

I can't believe they did this just by going though his ratings. That would be incredibly amateurish. It's like judging a book by its cover (which ironically would elevate this book to be somewhat decent).

The fact remains that it seems they hold their fan fiction to much higher standards than their contracted fiction. This man was payed for this, and on the other end they regard fan fiction as just that: from fans to fans and in no way publishable since they hold the IP. Which is unacceptable, as far as I'm concerned. Not the fact that fan fiction can't be published, I understand that one, but the fact that writing work with less skill than the average fan fiction out there can be elevated as canon.

Modifié par Iohanna, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Massefeckt]

Wow and to think I was looking forward to this. Guess I saved some money lol. Just how bad is it? So bad it's funny and worth a read? Or so bad you'll get rage induced headaches from reading it?

[What a Succulent Ass]

A salarian female merc?

*face palm*

[Maugrim]

The point you both are missing in trying to make up reasonable excuses is that Mr. Dietz has pretty much preempted all the arguments that have been made. Sure you might not expect someone to get all the stuff right if they don't play the game and read the ancillary material but that is an expected part of the job. He advises other to do so. Failure to do so means the writer didn't do his job. If he did actually do so and still got this much wrong then he lacks comprehension skills but still failed at the required job. Both sides are equally wrong.  There is no need to go around say "Oh you can't expect that to be done." When the person in question says this is a reasonable expectation 6 years ago.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 29 janvier 2012 - 11:47 .