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Mass Effect: Deception Discussion Thread (Updated 2/2/2012) *Now with 30% more links!*

Débuté par JeffZero , janv. 25 2012 09:21

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:45

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Iohanna wrote...

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Fact is that Dietz has few own series of space operas.  I didn't read them, but there have (suprisingly) high rating on Amazon. Maybe there were reason why they choose Dietz. Unfortunatelly for them (and us) Dietz is awful freelancer,  who isn't able to continue in someone work and in this case he obviously toke it like writing some actions and everything will be perfect, no need to want  more.


I'm sorry, but I don't buy that either. When you get a contest from BioWare themselves who lists that their judging is based on, none other than:

Chris Priestly said...

Writing will be judged on originality, understanding of & respect for the Intellectual Property, writing quality, grammar & spelling, and keeping within the parameters established in the Dragon Age Universe.


I can't believe they did this just by going though his ratings. That would be incredibly amateurish. It's like judging a book from it's cover (which ironically would elevate this book to be somewhat decent).

The fact remains that it seems they hold their fan fiction to much higher standards than their contracted fiction. This man was payed for this, and on the other end they regard fan fiction as just that: from fans to fans and in no way publishable since they hold the IP. Which is unacceptable, as far as I'm concerned. Not the fact that fan fiction can't be published, I understand that one, but the fact that writing work with less skill than the average fan fiction out there can be elevated as canon.


I'm not sure where your getting this informaiton but, would like to know.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:46

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

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In the back of the lab was another door; beyond it were the data archives. The archives consisted of an OSD library and server array that contained every reading and every result from every test on every student who had ever participated in the Ascension Project.


I'm guessing the OSDs were backups or something. 


So he literally copy and pasted from Retribution?


Well, he tried to but screwed it up, is what I was saying.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:47

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The point you both are missing in trying to make up reasonable excuses is that Mr. Dietz has pretty much preempted all the arguments that have been made. Sure you might not expect someone to get all the stuff right if they don't play the game and read the ancillary material but that is an expected part of the job. He advises other to do so. Failure to do so means the writer didn't do his job. If he did actually do so and still got this much wrong then he lacks comprehension skills but still failed at the required job. Both sides are equally wrong.


Well if your still talking to me I said my opinion had changed. And I'm not defending the guy. Why are we debating who's right and who's wrong. 

THIS BOOK SUCKS

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:48

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*after reading some of the listed errors
Wow. Holy hell are you kidding me? I was gonna buy this book. Thank god I've avoided giving money to this bogus author who has no respect for the ME universe whatsoever. This makes me worry even more about the respect Bioware is giving its franchises and us fans though.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:49

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I mean, kudos for Dietz for including some women in his writing... but next time he should probably make sure 1) it doesn't contradict lore, and that 2) he doesn't kill them right off.


Oh, so Nick kills her? I only got that little bit from searching on Google Books.  I'm guessing it was treated like no big deal.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:49

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makenzieshepard wrote...

The point you both are missing in trying to make up reasonable excuses is that Mr. Dietz has pretty much preempted all the arguments that have been made. Sure you might not expect someone to get all the stuff right if they don't play the game and read the ancillary material but that is an expected part of the job. He advises other to do so. Failure to do so means the writer didn't do his job. If he did actually do so and still got this much wrong then he lacks comprehension skills but still failed at the required job. Both sides are equally wrong.


To clarify, I am not making excuses for him. You and I seem to agree on pretty much everything. My only point is that he's saying yes I should have read it all, without actually telling us he did. But whether he read everything or nothing, the fact remains that he did a terrible job. It's not like I'm saying that if he didn't read the source material that would be an excuse. It's just a choice between either lazieness or incompetance. But the end result is incompetant no matter how you look at it.

What I'm saying is that not only is he a bad writer, but I find him to be disengenous as well.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:53

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All I can really say is.... if the Salarian females shown in ME3 turn out to be fat and toad-like like I've always kinda envisioned them, I will be laughing my @ss off so hard.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:54

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crimzontearz wrote...

also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOT BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?


Probably scrambling, trying to salvage this mess by making a DLC tie-in exclusive to owners of Deception.

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AVPen wrote...

All I can really say is.... if the Salarian females shown in ME3 turn out to be fat and toad-like like I've always kinda envisioned them, I will be laughing my @ss off so hard.


I guess cause they lay eggs.

Don't hate me female Salarians.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:54

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

What I'm saying is that not only is he a bad writer, but I find him to be disengenous as well.


I wish BioWare could see this. I wish Shepard were here.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:59

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Man, some of us are pretty good writers.

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The things you learn while discussing a bad book.

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Posté 29 janvier 2012 - 11:59

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Oh the Mass Effect branch in BioWare will definately have a lot to answer for when this finally hits store shelves. There will be blood.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:01

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LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:

The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.


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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:01

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Khran1505 wrote...

Oh the Mass Effect branch in BioWare will definately have a lot to answer for when this finally hits store shelves. There will be blood.



In all likelihood, at least, in my humble prediction, they'll likely quietly tuck it away and avoid discussing it too often. The good news being, they'll hesitate to be so passive in their editing in future enterprises.

Maybe.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:01

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didymos1120 wrote...

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I mean, kudos for Dietz for including some women in his writing... but next time he should probably make sure 1) it doesn't contradict lore, and that 2) he doesn't kill them right off.


Oh, so Nick kills her? I only got that little bit from searching on Google Books.  I'm guessing it was treated like no big deal.


Yeah, like it's nothing. It's just "little Nickie's first kill", part of Biotic Underground's and Grimm Skull's negotiantions: it BU's biotic wins, X happends, if GS's biotic wins, Y happends (omitting spoilers here). And it's fight to the death. With biotic individuals. Who are highly prized in most merc gangs. That's just waisting resources, I don't care how "cool" it is.

It exist just so Nick can have this philosophical chrisis of "is this what I have become/is killing ever ok"... but then it's mentioned he's been looking forward to killing a person and these are just questionable circumstances. idek <_<

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:02

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MJvasNormandy wrote...

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also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOT BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?

Probably scrambling, trying to salvage this mess by making a DLC tie-in exclusive to owners of Deception.



ouch.....good one

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:03

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didymos1120 wrote...

LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:


The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.





"Encore!"

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:04

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didymos1120 wrote...

LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:

The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.



lol

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:05

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didymos1120 wrote...

LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:

The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.


Stay classy, TIM.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:06

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crimzontearz wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOT BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?

Probably scrambling, trying to salvage this mess by making a DLC tie-in exclusive to owners of Deception.



ouch.....good one


I don't even know if I was joking...

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:06

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Chewin3 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:

The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.


Stay classy, TIM.


Guess he's become the...

:police:

Butt of a joke

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:07

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JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Guess he's become the...

:police:

Butt of a joke



YEEAAHHH!!!

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:10

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MJvasNormandy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

MJvasNormandy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
also....this book would be bought mainly by fans....and by now it is obvious that fans ARE NOT BUYING IT. Where does that leave Bioware?

Probably scrambling, trying to salvage this mess by making a DLC tie-in exclusive to owners of Deception.

ouch.....good one

I don't even know if I was joking...


that is what makes it funny....er

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:12

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Chewin3 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

LOL. TIM does cigarette tricks now:

The Illusive Man was holding an unlit cigarette. He caused it to twirl through the fingers of his right hand and back again.


Stay classy, TIM.


It's important to demonstrate the superiority of our pentadactyl hands.  Human dominance isn't just about politics, you know. 

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 12:13

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MissOuJ wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

I mean, kudos for Dietz for including some women in his writing... but next time he should probably make sure 1) it doesn't contradict lore, and that 2) he doesn't kill them right off.


Oh, so Nick kills her? I only got that little bit from searching on Google Books.  I'm guessing it was treated like no big deal.


Yeah, like it's nothing. It's just "little Nickie's first kill", part of Biotic Underground's and Grimm Skull's negotiantions: it BU's biotic wins, X happends, if GS's biotic wins, Y happends (omitting spoilers here). And it's fight to the death. With biotic individuals. Who are highly prized in most merc gangs. That's just waisting resources, I don't care how "cool" it is.

It exist just so Nick can have this philosophical chrisis of "is this what I have become/is killing ever ok"... but then it's mentioned he's been looking forward to killing a person and these are just questionable circumstances. idek <_<

Let me ask this question, since I have yet to read either "Ascension" or "Retribution" yet:

Was the character Nick always this much of a sh*thead? 
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