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[JamesFaith]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

All those "Errors in ME Deception" are from the actual book? That you hold in your hands?

Some from excerpt and then checked with book, some directly from book.

[JoeLaTurkey]

I think readers who haven't been to this thread will react like this

[JakePT]

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, there may have been some circumstances that would explain this.

The book may have been rushed, and Dietz may not have had time to properly check and correct mistakes.

Hudson and Walters may have been too busy on ME3 (Hudson in particular seems to be a very very person, as you'd expect from the lead) for Dietz to spend any decent time hashing out these issues.

The worse possibility is that some of these ideas came from Hudson and Walters and will rear their ugly heads in ME3. If an 18 year old Gillian or Nick show up in ME3, we'll know who's responsible (assuming they're alive at the end of Deception, I have no idea).

A considerable number of errors are exactly what you'd expect if the author had limited access to source material and insufficient time to properly comprehend it. Perhaps BioWare had a date in mind and hired an author who could get something, anything, out in time, without paying any attention to the quality of it.

None of this excuses crappy writing, but it may suggest some of the particularly egregious continuity errors are a by-product of the whole process, through the author, to BioWare to marketing and maybe Dietz never stood a chance.

[Yuoaman]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

All those "Errors in ME Deception" are from the actual book? That you hold in your hands?

Yes, and that's the sad thing.

And most of the quotes floating around are legitimate, too - which is frightening, to be honest.

[Yuoaman]

JakePT wrote...

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, there may have been some circumstances that would explain this.

The book may have been rushed, and Dietz may not have had time to properly check and correct mistakes.

Hudson and Walters may have been too busy on ME3 (Hudson in particular seems to be a very very person, as you'd expect from the lead) for Dietz to spend any decent time hashing out these issues.

The worse possibility is that some of these ideas came from Hudson and Walters and will rear their ugly heads in ME3. If an 18 year old Gillian or Nick show up in ME3, we'll know who's responsible (assuming they're alive at the end of Deception, I have no idea).

A considerable number of errors are exactly what you'd expect if the author had limited access to source material and insufficient time to properly comprehend it. Perhaps BioWare had a date in mind and hired an author who could get something, anything, out in time, without paying any attention to the quality of it.

None of this excuses crappy writing, but it may suggest some of the particularly egregious continuity errors are a by-product of the whole process, through the author, to BioWare to marketing and maybe Dietz never stood a chance.

The fact is, though, that the book was held back when the game's release was pushed back, and in all those months I doubt that anyone took a look at the book to see if it could be improved. And you would think that, at the very least, Dietz would have come across the Wiki while Googling for some basic information on the source material.

[Maugrim]

JakePT wrote...

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, there may have been some circumstances that would explain this.

The book may have been rushed, and Dietz may not have had time to properly check and correct mistakes.

Nope I pre-ordered the book back in July and it was known of as early as April 2011 at least.  Less than a year may not seem like long but we aren't talking high quality literature.

Hudson and Walters may have been too busy on ME3 (Hudson in particular seems to be a very very person, as you'd expect from the lead) for Dietz to spend any decent time hashing out these issues.

Maybe but that doesn't excuse the sheer number of errors, if there were less or less egregious ones I would by this, as it is no way.

The worse possibility is that some of these ideas came from Hudson and Walters and will rear their ugly heads in ME3. If an 18 year old Gillian or Nick show up in ME3, we'll know who's responsible (assuming they're alive at the end of Deception, I have no idea).

If this is true it won't be because of the example you gave, I'm sure the implications are clear enough.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ideas were theirs but the execution seems so sloppy that it might have come off worse than what it sounded like in their heads if that happened at all.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:35 .

[Gabriel S.]

Could it be possible that BioWare would consider a future book in which this... ... ... episode will be considered a dream? Maybe pull a Bundy 6&1/2.

[Sesshomaru47]

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

[Maugrim]

Maybe Bioware could slip in a cereal joke into Kai Leng's codex entry.

[JamesFaith]

JakePT wrote...

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, there may have been some circumstances that would explain this.

The book may have been rushed, and Dietz may not have had time to properly check and correct mistakes.

Hudson and Walters may have been too busy on ME3 (Hudson in particular seems to be a very very person, as you'd expect from the lead) for Dietz to spend any decent time hashing out these issues.

The worse possibility is that some of these ideas came from Hudson and Walters and will rear their ugly heads in ME3. If an 18 year old Gillian or Nick show up in ME3, we'll know who's responsible (assuming they're alive at the end of Deception, I have no idea).

A considerable number of errors are exactly what you'd expect if the author had limited access to source material and insufficient time to properly comprehend it. Perhaps BioWare had a date in mind and hired an author who could get something, anything, out in time, without paying any attention to the quality of it.

None of this excuses crappy writing, but it may suggest some of the particularly egregious continuity errors are a by-product of the whole process, through the author, to BioWare to marketing and maybe Dietz never stood a chance.

Good devil advocacy, I like that. So now my part in this process.

Book was minimally one time postponned - 3 months. As someone, who writing too, could say, that  it is lot of time on such short book. My personal guess is, that reason of postponning was quality of book, but this is only speculation.

Nothing suggesting that this book is connected with ME3. Its storylines aren't bringing anything new, they are mostly closed at the end. Book is obviously separate from ME3.

Dietz personally claim, that he have support from BW, but I allowing this can be empty claim. But all founded mistakes can be easilly corrected with ME Wiki, which is free accessible on net.

So guilt is on both side - editors of BW and DIetz's for his incapability work with sources or preffering his own serie and neglecting work on  Deception.

[Yuoaman]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

He did.

[Gabriel S.]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Maybe Bioware could slip in a cereal joke into Kai Leng's codex entry.

Kai Leng, Cupboard Raider.

The cereal killer.

I'll only coin those phrases a couple dozens more times.

[XXIceColdXX]

Just cancelled my order from Amazon. Lucky got to it before it was dispached. With all these continuity errors I really dont want it tarnishing my Mass Effect experience.

Rewrite please Bioware.

[HiroVoid]

So how do you'll think ME3'll reference the events of Deception?

[Gabriel S.]

HiroVoid wrote...

So how do you'll think ME3'll reference the events of Deception?

A Geth hoax?

They even mocked organics with the title.

Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:46 .

[Sesshomaru47]

Yuoaman wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

He did.

Hahahahaha oh geez...How old is he? Or his editor for that matter. Ok...well hmmm.

[JoeLaTurkey]

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

He did.

Hahahahaha oh geez...How old is he? Or his editor for that matter. Ok...well hmmm.

Sixty...

F***ING

ONE

...or thereabouts

[JakePT]

HiroVoid wrote...

So how do you'll think ME3'll reference the events of Deception?

Kai Leng looks like he'll be in it. Wouldn't be surprised if other characters show up and the events of the novel are explained in 'Investigate'.

Though I'd wager that if any book gets referenced a bunch it'll be Retribution, given the lead time, and the fact it has a huge impact on Anderson and the Human Councillor situation.

Modifié par JakePT, 30 janvier 2012 - 01:51 .

[Yuoaman]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

People keep posting cereal...please tell me he didn't use that in the book...

He did.

Hahahahaha oh geez...How old is he? Or his editor for that matter. Ok...well hmmm.

Sixty...

F***ING

ONE

...or thereabouts

And his worst fear is somebody eating his cereal while he's not home.

[JakePT]

I don't think the cereal thing is necessarily that bad.

The way it's written is completely laughable, but I kind of like the concept. Although it does feel like it belongs somewhere else, like a Tarantino movie.

A great author could have made that work, sadly it seems Dietz isn't.

[Xaero_Dumort]

makenzieshepard wrote...

JakePT wrote...

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment, there may have been some circumstances that would explain this.

The book may have been rushed, and Dietz may not have had time to properly check and correct mistakes.

Nope I pre-ordered the book back in July and it was known of as early as April 2011 at least.  Less than a year may not seem like long but we aren't talking high quality literature.

The wiki article was created and shows that the book was announced almost a year from the release date.

Modifié par Xaero_Dumort, 30 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .

[didymos1120]

JakePT wrote...

I don't think the cereal thing is necessarily that bad.

The way it's written is completely laughable, but I kind of like the concept. Although it does feel like it belongs somewhere else, like a Tarantino movie.

Funny you should say that, because Kai indulging his flake ache reminded me of this:

[HiroVoid]

No response. It's just a book in a major game series. It's not going to matter that much in the long run I would assume.

[Yuoaman]

JakePT wrote...

I don't think the cereal thing is necessarily that bad.

The way it's written is completely laughable, but I kind of like the concept. Although it does feel like it belongs somewhere else, like a Tarantino movie.

A great author could have made that work, sadly it seems Dietz isn't.

The way Dietz wrote it made it sound like Kai Leng was doing it for cheap thrills, which doesn't quite fit with the characterization seen in Retribution.