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[Jcmor]

I can't wait until BioWare speaks about this. I'm almost more excited for that than I am ME3.

[ibh82]

Don't know what's in the book, but I'll try to refute some of your errors list https://docs.google....cmo/edit?pli=1#,

1. Maybe the drugs Cerberus gave her cause most of her autism symptoms.

5. Why can't Hendal know about Kahlee and Anderson, time is not supposed to stand still.

6. Gillian and Nick were a part of the Ascension Project together. She may not have talked to people much, that doesn't mean she could not eventually communicate with him and develope a friendship.

8. I think Kahlee mention that children teased her alot in Ascension. Not 100% sure.

9. Could be a typo or the Batarians paid someone for the plans.

10. Just because Aria is a biotic, doesn't mean she can't let her troops do things.

11. Maybe the Citidal can open up, not just close itself shut.

12. This book could take place after the Arrival DLC, hence the batarians would have wanted to reopen thier embassy inorder to pursue charges agaist Shepard.

13. Maybe someone finally reopened it after the events in ME2.

14. Earth revolves around the star Sol, yet we see other stars in the night sky. Why can't other stars be seen from the Citidal?

15. Maybe Kai Leng hit a soft spot on the Krogen.

16. So Kifu Nal??? would be considered a strong biotic. They could have wanted to introduce a new element to the biotic world.

17. Most characters in ME 1 and ME 2 were heterosexual, yet in ME 3 they will become bisexual. Things change, people change.

18. Well, you can travel through regions of space without Mass Effect Drive Cores, it just takes longer. Humanity's first colony was supposed to be Alpha Cenrurai (not sure what Cerberus Network stated) but it had yet to reach its destination after 150 or so years). The Asari Codex doesn't state if they discored mass effect travel before or after discovering the Citadel, just that they were the first to do both.

19. The Citadel is a Reaper trap and it was successful. The whole point of the Citadel is to get space flight species to develop along the path of the Reapers design. It's secondary function was to allow the Reapers instant access to the Galaxy. This part failed due to the combine efforts of the Protheans and Shepard.

22. I thought only volus had clan names. To me it just seems like parts like Zorah in Tali'Zorah are more or less last names like Joe Smith. It is not necissary to continually call someone by both names.

23. Maybe the Asari council member doesn't follow Asari religion.

24. I remember Turians not allowing aliens on Pavalan, not sure about Batarian space. Remember, if they did not allow aliens on Batarian planets, what good would slavery be for the Batarian race.

26. Times change.

27. If the Ideanna is on a 5 year journey to find a new homeworld for the Quarians in 2183, and the Quarians deciede to go to war with the Geth in ME 3, it would be almost safe to say the ME 3 takes place in 2188. This would allow Gillian and/or Nick to be 17/18 during Deception. I say this because the Quarians would have allowed the Ideanna to finish its task; but also due to the fact we had a years worth of Cerberus Network, ME 2 would most likely have happend over the course of year (due to Garrus's talk about Illos being quick), and allowing post ME 2 events to take place like fixing the Normandy, Project Overlord, LOtSB, and Arriaval.

29. TIM was also overseeing a the Grayson Project on another space station during Retribution. But have read Deception yet so I don't know whats going on at the moon/plantet base.

30. Shepard got in no problem. Maybe people get in easy if their demeanor is a certain way.

31. You expect them to be naked under their suits. That's all I got.

33. Aria is Omega, why would she allways use a private entrance. You think she scared.

34. Kai Leng's on a stake out, of course he's going to pee in a vase. He also wouldn't know how deadly Gillian is as a biotic outside of her potential reports. The Paul Grayson thing however, Grayson was a Cerberus Operative, meaning he was deadly, of course Kai Leng went to capture him with six other Operatives.

35. Time would have passed between Retribution and Deception so it is logical that Aria would find out who killed her daughter. Aria also stated that credits cure any hatred as she dealt with Cerberus at the end of Retribution and during that Comic Invasion.

40. Gillian was a member of the crew and saved many Quarians, they let have the ship how hard is that to understand. Not sure if they took anything from the ship (only read part of the excerpt). Remember the Ideanna's mission is to find a new homeworld not scavage new things.

41. Mabye it a different person.

45. Ever heard of the Mafia or Yakuza. Aria isn't exactly a part of the Citadel Council.

46. Time passes, info is learned.

47. See 27.

49. Time passes, people experiment.

50. So people never used salt, furs, spices, alcohol, etc .... instead of money.

53. Who says one ship can't go to Omega a pick up supplies. You can get almost anything on Omega. This is not Illium or the Citadel, the people might not like them on Omega but Credits are Credits.

54. Maby the female Salarian wants more in life besides being a political figure and being a source for breeding.

I am done.

[implodinggoat]

Jcmor wrote...

I can't wait until BioWare speaks about this. I'm almost more excited for that than I am ME3.

If they stay true to form they won't say anything about it.   ME1's Pinnacle Station DLC, the Mass Effect Galaxy Iphone game and the ME2 Arrival DLC were all very dissappointing and they never commented on any of them.

The only time they comment on a failure is if its simply too big to ignore like Dragon Age 2.

[Sylvianus]

@ Ibh, are you serious, or is it a joke ?lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:37 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Bioware execs must surely shake their heads knowing how many errors there are.

[AVPen]

ibh82 wrote...

Don't know what's in the book, but I'll try to refute some of your errors list https://docs.google....cmo/edit?pli=1#,
*Snip*
I am done.

..... I really hope you're not serious....

[izmirtheastarach]

AVPen wrote...
I hate to point out the obvious (well, no, not really), but aren't all Asari capable of biotics in the first place? 

See, we're so busy trying to point out one stupid thing, that it's possible to miss the obvious. So not only does Dietz make it sound force-like, buy Gillian's psychic detection of Biotics is meaningless. Of course they're Biotics.

There's layers within layers here, people. This crap is deep.

[Armass81]

I dont agree with error # 54, there might be female salarian mercenary, nothing really prevents it. There was a female salarian informant in revelation if I recall correctly. Not all of them are dalatrasses and hang around their homeworlds, might be extremely rare to see someone like that but its not impossible...

Modifié par Armass81, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:41 .

[izmirtheastarach]

AVPen wrote...

ibh82 wrote...

Don't know what's in the book, but I'll try to refute some of your errors list https://docs.google....cmo/edit?pli=1#,
*Snip*
I am done.

..... I really hope you're not serious....

If it's not a joke, it doesn't make much sense.

[Maugrim]

ibh82 wrote...

Don't know what's in the book, but I'll try to refute some of your errors list https://docs.google....cmo/edit?pli=1#,

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54.
I am done.

And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bus!  Look some of those errors could be hand waved and one of two of them may be incorrect in the exact details.  But the nitpickers miss two things.

There are 54 listed and very likely errors and there is no way in hell that is all of them.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:43 .

[ElitePinecone]

AVPen wrote...

I hate to point out the obvious (well, no, not really), but aren't all Asari capable of biotics in the first place? 

He seems to forget that Aria is an incredibly powerful biotic. She never uses biotic abilities (she has to use a stun gun in one scene) and needs "level 3 adepts" to protect her with a barrier in battle.

[MJvasNormandy]

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Ibh, are you serious, or is it a joke ?lol.

Has to be joking. Some of those justifications are even more asinine than the errors.

[izmirtheastarach]

ElitePinecone wrote...

AVPen wrote...

I hate to point out the obvious (well, no, not really), but aren't all Asari capable of biotics in the first place? 

He seems to forget that Aria is an incredibly powerful biotic. She never uses biotic abilities (she has to use a stun gun in one scene) and needs "level 3 adepts" to protect her with a barrier in battle.

This coming just after Invasion, wherin she defeats dozens of commandos all by herself with no weapons.

[ibh82]

Sylvianus and AVPen.

ME 3 not out yet and most people haven't read the book that is not out until the 31st. Gotta think outside the box on some the statements others have made. Can't call something the devil until it is out in the world.

[crimzontearz]

and adjundants too....who can take loads of damage and keep going

[AVPen]

ibh82 wrote...

Sylvianus and AVPen.

ME 3 not out yet and most people haven't read the book that is not out until the 31st. Gotta think outside the box on some the statements others have made. Can't call something the devil until it is out in the world.

NO, we don't... the vast, vast majority of the statements that others, including myself, have made regarding the errors in Deception are errors to the lore and canon that were established previously by the games themselves as well as the previous novels and comics. <_<

Modifié par AVPen, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:49 .

[didymos1120]

Armass81 wrote...

I dont agree with error # 54, there might be female salarian mercenary, nothing really prevents it. There was a female salarian informant in revelation if I recall correctly. Not all of them are dalatrasses and hang around their homeworlds, might be extremely rare to see someone like that but its not impossible...

Yes, but Revelation was also written and released months before ME1 came out.  Hence the existence of a volus without an exosuit and batarians with extremely long necks and "inner" pairs of eyes.  In any case, this female's presence should have been remarkable to Nick at least, but it's treated as if it were nothing unusual at all, despite the fact that over 90% of the species is male.

[Yuoaman]

God, I hope that list 'refuting' the errors was just a joke.

[XyleJKH]

Yeah... I doubt ME3 will be a bad as this travesty.

[izmirtheastarach]

Just in case it's serious, let's respond to the first few:

1. Okay. So why can Dietz not just say this? He literally does not mention her Autism once, It's not explained away, it just never existed in his version of things.

5. They are in completely different areas of the galaxy. The have no way of communicating, as Hendel is accompanying a Quarian mission to uncharted systems of the galaxy.

6. The havn't seen each other in 6 years. The had no interaction after that one scene, wherin Gillian almost killed Nick. They are not friends. Did you read the book?

8. You think? Bring some evidence to the table then. There certainly was  no torture of any kind mentioned,  Grissom is a tightly controlled facility. Most kids just though Gillian was weird, but Nick spilling her milk was the worst thing that happened to her. This refers back to the previous  point, of course.

10. Seem like we covered that already. Aria never uses Biotics. In Invasion she uses them every few minutes.

14. This is my favourite. Because you can't. I know. Everyone who has played the games knows. We've been there, in the game. There are no stars visible. All you can see is the nebula. This is not something that can be argued.

Another fun part of all this is the idea that being able to invent your own explanations somehow makes things better. It really makes things worse. It means the book is so poorly written that you have to literally make crap up in order for it to make any sense.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[Relix28]

JeffZero wrote...

There is also a Google docs page on all the myriad errors in this book. You won't believe your eyes.

Mother of God. That is....WOW. I am at a loss of words.


Someone should send this compendium to Dietz, so he can see just how utterly ridculous and inacurate his book really is.

Modifié par Relix28, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[ibh82]

The canon and lore have changed from game to game, book to book. Not a lot of drastic changes, a lot of small change.
Nothing wrong from Bioware's point of view from changing it even further. Some are good, some are bad.
All of the comics seemed to contradict some of the Lore and storyline but it allowed ME universe to expand.
Change is good, Stagnation is bad.
Deception may have been written horribly in the eyes of people who have read. But maybe that is were most of the hate comes from.

[didymos1120]

ibh82, just stop. The book doesn't do sh*t to expand the universe. It butchers it.

[izmirtheastarach]

ibh82 wrote...

The canon and lore have changed from game to game, book to book. Not a lot of drastic changes, a lot of small change.
Nothing wrong from Bioware's point of view from changing it even further. Some are good, some are bad.
All of the comics seemed to contradict some of the Lore and storyline but it allowed ME universe to expand.
Change is good, Stagnation is bad.
Deception may have been written horribly in the eyes of people who have read. But maybe that is were most of the hate comes from.

First and foremost, the hate comes from the fact that the book is horribly written. The quality of the writing is way below where it was with any of Drew's books. And most of the errors in the lore do not appear to be changes. They appear to come from a hack contract writer who wasn't properly monitored. None of the mistakes he made are going to appear in ME3.

[JeffZero]

The book slaughters lore. Slaughters it.