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[izmirtheastarach]

I wish there was a built in troll button. Wouldn't that be a nice feature on forums in general. Sort of like a vote-kick in a multiplayer game. Seems like that would be great.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:04 .

[bboynexus]

ibh82 sounds like an idiot. No joke. I've been reading and writing for years, I study it, and Deception is the worst piece of garbage I've ever laid eyes on.

[izmirtheastarach]

Hey you guys who have read much of the book. I, who have read none of it, disagree with all of your conclusions. Please listen to my baseless opinion.

[snfonseka]

Some of the errors in this book made me laugh, the writer clearly lacks the required knowledge with the ME universe. But we cannot blame only the writer, it is BW responsibility to make sure the novel is according to the game universe.

[XXIceColdXX]

ibh82 wrote...

The canon and lore have changed from game to game, book to book. Not a lot of drastic changes, a lot of small change.
Nothing wrong from Bioware's point of view from changing it even further. Some are good, some are bad.
All of the comics seemed to contradict some of the Lore and storyline but it allowed ME universe to expand.
Change is good, Stagnation is bad.
Deception may have been written horribly in the eyes of people who have read. But maybe that is were most of the hate comes from.

I seriously think Bioware overlooked this novel, didnt proof read it . At this stage im blaming the author. Casey Hudson knows this world too well to have read it and not said anything. I got a feeling there would be some Bioware Execs pissed off that this novel has slipped through the cracks with so many errors.

[ibh82]

izmirtheastarach

Never said anyone was tortured, I said Kahlee state that Gillian was teased a lot. They use com uplinks/buoys to communicate.

Like I said, haven't read the book yet, an an excerpt does no justice to a book as whole. My veiwpoint might change then.

[Yuoaman]

I refuted your faulty list.

1. If that was the case, it should have been mentioned in the text - the text just makes it sound as if Gillian "got better".

5. Hendel was on a quarian ship looking for a quarian planet in mostly unexplored areas of space - it's unlikely that they had much communication with the galactic community at large.

6. They only interacted once in Ascension, and Nick and Gillian act as if they're old friends in this book.

8. We never saw any teasing, the children didn't pay her much mind at all.

9. It's only been three years since the first Tantalus Drive Core was made, it's doubtful even if this one band of batarian slavers had the plans they'd be able to afford, or even have the time, to retrofit one into their ship.

10. Except Dietz never makes it clear that Aria is a biotic at all - which is just silly.

11. Of course it can open, but even when open it looks less like a star and more like a flower.

12. If so that should have been a major revelation, since as of the last book the batarians were still at odds with the Council.

13. Again, this should have been mentioned in the text - otherwise it just seems lazy.

14. Because the Citadel is in the middle of a nebula - they can only see the one star.

15. Through the hefty hump that krogans have on their backs?

16. No. Dietz introduces it as if it were this long-standing system that everyone knew about, yet this is the very first mention of it ever.

17. Not like that they don't. And we haven't had anything from the point of view of these ME1 characters, so we don't know if they were bisexual all along or not.

18. Except that this has never been mentioned in any other Mass Effect work.

19. They weren't talking about the long-standing trap of forcing the galaxy to head down the path the Reapers desired, though. They were talking about the one two/three/six/x years ago.

22. Clan names are functionally last names.

23. I'm pretty sure that the asari Councilor said "By The Goddess" in the past.

24. Batarian slavers go out and raid fringe worlds, they don't capture them from on the planet. The government doesn't let the ships belonging to any other species land, because they're incredibly insular.

26. Except we know that security has been bumped up in the last three years - reducing security in the Council chamber is ridiculously illogical.

27. No. The Idenna didn't finish its task, Hendel and Gillian left before it finished. And we know for sure that ME2 only takes place over a matter of months.

29. It would have been fine had they mentioned that the moon base was 'one of' his stations, but they didn't.

30. Shepard got in so easily because Aria saw their ship docked and requested he come see her.

31. They are naked under their suits, it wouldn't be very good at being sealed otherwise.

33. She's going out when she knows there are people out there who want to kill her while employing very little security - she's just being stupid.

34. Except he could have worn a suit with a catheter so he wouldn't have to take a step back to do so. And he knows that Gillian's powerful, and the Kai Leng in Retribution was smart enough to know when he'd need backup.

35. Except that she works with Cerberus in Invasion, despite learning that they killed her daughter.

40. Except they probably would have sent the ship back to the Migrant Fleet and had them bring Gillian to the Citadel, not just hand the ship over to her.

41. If so they should have used a differen't name, it was very unclear.

45. Aria T'Loak is an assumed name - there is no T'Loak family period.

46. Exept very little time has passed, and he never had the opportunity to do so.

47. Except that 27 was based on faulty logic.

49. That's like saying that after doing research that arsenic will stop being toxic.

50. The galactic economy isn't based on barter - since there can be no way of equating the value of such an array of goods - this is why there are credits.

53. They mentioned having a warehouse, and that they were there often. This doesn't make sense considering what we know of the Migrant Fleet or what we learned in previous works.

54. It's possible, but salarians hold pretty much all of the power in salarian society - and one as a merc would warrant comment.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:13 .

[Yuoaman]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Never said anyone was tortured, I said Kahlee state that Gillian was teased a lot. They use com uplinks/buoys to communicate.

Like I said, haven't read the book yet, an an excerpt does no justice to a book as whole. My veiwpoint might change then.

All of the excerpts we've read combine to probably over a third of the book - if that isn't enough to get a good idea of how the rest will be then I just have no clue anymore.

[didymos1120]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Never said anyone was tortured, I said Kahlee state that Gillian was teased a lot. They use com uplinks/buoys to communicate.
 

Wrong. Dead wrong:

"At least nobody teased her or made fun of her—not to her face, anyway. They mostly avoided her, keeping their distance. Yet Gillian couldn’t help but notice their expressions when they looked in her direction—confusion, mistrust, bewilderment."

[izmirtheastarach]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Never said anyone was tortured, I said Kahlee state that Gillian was teased a lot. They use com uplinks/buoys to communicate.

Like I said, haven't read the book yet, an an excerpt does no justice to a book as whole. My veiwpoint might change then.

No, you didn't say tortured. Dietz did. Isn't that what you were responding to? Should I have stuck with the word tormented, that does appear in the book? Whoops.

If you have nothing to base your opinion on, why come in here and try to argue with people who have read the book? It's ridiculous.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:17 .

[ibh82]

izmirtheastarach

Not trolling stating my own opinion based on what I've seen. I've read the excerpt, thought it was okay outside of the spelling and minor errors. Still, want to read the whole thing regardless of haters like you.

[ibh82]

didymos1120

Thank you, I wasn't 100% sure and didn't have that book with me.

[AresXX7]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Never said anyone was tortured, I said Kahlee state that Gillian was teased a lot. They use com uplinks/buoys to communicate.

Like I said, haven't read the book yet, an an excerpt does no justice to a book as whole. My veiwpoint might change then.

Just to let you know, from what's been said earlier, some of the BSN members/posters did receive the book and verified the errors listed so far.
(certain countries shipped it out early)

Modifié par AresXX7, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[Yuoaman]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Not trolling stating my own opinion based on what I've seen. I've read the excerpt, thought it was okay outside of the spelling and minor errors. Still, want to read the whole thing regardless of haters like you.

How are we haters? We're approaching this like it is: a flawed work of fiction. We're offering criticism, quite a bit of which has been constructive, and dissecting it to see what exactly it did wrong.

[didymos1120]

The text is also searchable on Google Books, which is how many of these were found.

[izmirtheastarach]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Not trolling stating my own opinion based on what I've seen. I've read the excerpt, thought it was okay outside of the spelling and minor errors. Still, want to read the whole thing regardless of haters like you.

Since I know you just got here, I will make a good faith attempt to explain. I am not a hater. Nor are many people here. We are people who read and enjoyed Drew's three books, and were looking forward to this one.

Some of us have read the whole book. The street date was broken in multiple countries. Some of us have read the exceprts and free previews. Most of  the errors that have been found are in those freely available sources.

You are free to read the book. It's your right. What this thread has been about was giving people the information that we have, so they can make an informed decision as to whether they should purchase the book or not. Many people do not feel the way you do. Many have expressed gratitude. I'm glad to have helped them.

For me, it's not even about the wasted money, The book ruins the story from the other three books. Anyone who enjoyed them will be much happier if they pretend it never existed.

If these errors do not bother you, then clearly there is nothing of value in this thread for you.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[arpegiuspunk555]

I havent read the initial excerpt. That said, Dietz wrote the worst of the first four Halo novels, so i wouldnt suprise me if he's managed to screw this one up too. They should just have eric nylund start writing fiction for all of the good game francises, at least then we'd know theyd be good, and canonically correct.

[spirosz]

There is that many mistakes... oh man.

Modifié par spiros9110, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Icinix]

AVPen wrote...

Icinix wrote...

AVPen wrote...
I hate to point out the obvious (well, no, not really), but aren't all Asari capable of biotics in the first place? 

All Asari are talented natural biotics.

Which proves my point - Gillian seeing two Asari and assuming them to be biotics is like the Mass Effect equivalent of "No sh*t, Sherlock!". 

Definitely.

But are we really surprised? This whole book is written in such a way that all the characters I'm pretty sure would be the characters you go up to a car after its done a burn out, touch the tyres, then proclaim "Hur Hur Hur - the Tyre is really hot!!? WOW"

[Hamziz Vakarian]

I understand that mistakes are inexcusable, but what really, really gets me is just how someone with such a weak grasp of narrative structure and storytelling can make a living writing novels.

It's like the emperor has no clothes, and no one calls him on it. Dietz has to be the worst writer I have ever read. There is bad fan-fiction better than this dreck.

Inconceivable.

[IllusiveMike]

Dang it, Bioware. You are usually so good at making me part with my money.

Would have rather had it come out late with Drew than this.

Hopefully the criticism can prevent another Dietz novel in the ME universe.

[Shrayev]

ibh82 wrote...

izmirtheastarach

Not trolling stating my own opinion based on what I've seen. I've read the excerpt, thought it was okay outside of the spelling and minor errors. Still, want to read the whole thing regardless of haters like you.

ibh82, the reason people here have assumed that you're trolling is because this book really is just awful.

The main complaints fall into two categories:

• Complaints regarding canonical inconsistencies
• Complaints regarding the weak writing style, weak syntax, awkward choice of words (e.g. "'My God,' the asari Council member said feelingly")

By all means, if you want to read the book for background, go ahead and do so. No one is saying you can't do it. People ARE saying that the book is poorly written and doesn't match up with ANY other work within the Mass Effect universe. It's an anomaly. 

Do those complaints make sense? If so, trying to refute them is silly. Your entire argument where you respond to the list of errors is utterly indefensible. Someone wrote a list of facts...you can't write counterpoints to facts. The act is pointless because your responses are pretty baseless.

Read the book bud, but expect pushback from anyone with literary sense if you try to defend something that abominable. That's all we're saying.

[izmirtheastarach]

IllusiveMike wrote...

Dang it, Bioware. You are usually so good at making me part with my money.

Would have rather had it come out late with Drew than this.

Hopefully the criticism can prevent another Dietz novel in the ME universe.

Yeah. I would rather have waited till months after the release of both TOR and ME3, if it meant we could get something better then this. Heck, I would rather they had just not commisioned a book at all, since they knew that Drew was not going to be available.

[IllusiveMike]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yeah. I would rather have waited till months after the release of both TOR and ME3, if it meant we could get something better then this. Heck, I would rather they had just not commisioned a book at all, since they knew that Drew was not going to be available.

Yep, well, I think marketing won over putting out a compelling story.  Gotta have the tie-ins for the launch of the game.