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[LPPrince]

Mentioned earlier, yeah.

[ElitePinecone]

Hendel had been watching long enough to recognize many of the employees and give them nicknames like “Stick Figure,” “Four Eyes,” and “Fatso.”

Hendel came barging in. He looked like a homeless person and was armed with a shotgun. So the restaurant’s security people hurried to intercept him. Hendel was complaining loudly, and threatening the batarians with bodily harm, when Anderson arrived.

What did they do to this character!?!

[ElitePinecone]

The Illusive Man had returned to his home. If the Spartan offi ce on a remote mining world could be described as such.

What?

[LPPrince]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hendel had been watching long enough to recognize many of the employees and give them nicknames like “Stick Figure,” “Four Eyes,” and “Fatso.”

Hendel came barging in. He looked like a homeless person and was armed with a shotgun. So the restaurant’s security people hurried to intercept him. Hendel was complaining loudly, and threatening the batarians with bodily harm, when Anderson arrived.

What did they do to this character!?!

Straightened him out.

[Zhuinden]

LPPrince wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hendel had been watching long enough to recognize many of the employees and give them nicknames like “Stick Figure,” “Four Eyes,” and “Fatso.”

Hendel came barging in. He looked like a homeless person and was armed with a shotgun. So the restaurant’s security people hurried to intercept him. Hendel was complaining loudly, and threatening the batarians with bodily harm, when Anderson arrived.

What did they do to this character!?!

Straightened him out.

He seems to have also become judgemental and loud, I doubt he used to be that way.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 30 janvier 2012 - 08:54 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Oh yeah, doesn't the beginning of Invasion start with a tiny thing about the deal between Aria and Cerberus being soured by the failed Grayson experiment? Maybe Mac Walters saw what was coming with Deception and said f*ck it, that's not canon to my material.

[Shrayev]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I have a copy of the book, and I'm looking at some of the last half to see how it fares lore-wise.

You know what's odd? Dietz gets really tiny specific details spot on - like salarian religion - but gets other things so wrong.

A salarian funeral scene mentions an age-old cycle of creation, destruction and rebirth, which matches up pretty much exactly with this.

Okay he deserves some credit for that. Honestly, if you noted my earlier post where I realized that Dietz happened to wrote my LEAST FAVORITE book from my childhood (Earth Rise) and now appears here to pervert the ME universe, you know that I have no reason to defend this man.

But the fact that he got some details like that right mean his utter failure was due to a lack of editing and minimal oversight. Could/should he have done more research? Absolutely. Should he have done a detailed readthrough (complete with notes regarding specific characters, a timeline, etc.) of each previous relevant novel in the series and at least had working knowledge of the major events in ME? Yup. 

But it isn't allllll his fault, I guess.

Lemme even that out with a complaint that has already been mentioned before, but I'd like to draw attention to again: he said that Sovereign's attack on the citadel was "so successful" that we were still rebuilding. Okay...his goal wasn't to damage the Citadel. He had one single goal: to activate the relay so the Reapers could arrive from dark space.

I mean his mission had already failed, thanks to the Protheans: the trigger to make the keepers activate the relay failed. Sovereign's headon assault shouldn't have even had to happen. That, and it resulted in Sovereign's ****ing death. Our first encounter with a reaper, and we kill him. He failed big time.

In no way is that a success, other than that the ****ing Turian councilor still says "ah yes, 'Reapers'".

/Dietzrage

[LPPrince]

The rage continues.

[HighMoon]

The sad thing is, I don't think this thread (and the last) would have nearly as many pages if this turned out to be an actual good book (or at least on par with the first 3). It has received SO much attention due to its poor writing; there is an almost universal feeling of repulsion. It goes to show how loyal some of the ME fans are.

And I highly doubt it appeals to those who aren't fans of the ME franchise either.

[LPPrince]

If Deception were actually a good follow up to the rest of the novels, its thread would probably of hit 30 pages by now, if it were lucky.

Instead, counting the closed thread, its got 200 pages between two threads in less than a week.

[snfonseka]

T1l wrote...

It's like Bioware just doesn't care anymore. Perhaps they never did. I often wonder how the original writers feel about it all, though, like Drew Karpyshyn; or how David Gaider must feel about Dragon Age 2.

I guess nothing is sacred. Everything has a price. Hopefully no one goes near this novel and it's written off as non-canon.

First they need to fix the issues with the timeline in this book. Otherwise no one can explain thee canon storyline of ME universe.

[LPPrince]

The games are above all other items in the franchise so they effectively make this novel null and void.

Still need to hear Bioware say it.

[ZLurps]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Wait, didn't Aria meet Kai Leng in Retribution? So she'd know him by sight? Or at least remember that it was the same person?

A three- dimensional image appeared in place of the Illusive Man and began to rotate slowly. And T’Loak felt something cold trickle into her bloodstream. The man with slightly Asiatic features was a perfect match for the human that Shella had described to her. Which was to say the man who murdered Liselle in cold blood.

Didy posted about this earlier. Somebody check previously published works for scene where Aria and Leng meet and it's on the list.

Edit: not so sure myself where it was.

Modifié par ZLurps, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:56 .

[ElitePinecone]

Oh, I meant to say this yesterday...

People were saying the leaked demo confirmed ME3 took place in 2187 or 2188, because the intro text mentioned 'thirty years' since humanity found it wasn't alone in the universe.

This isn't correct. ME3 takes place in 2186. Several characters mention that it's been three years since [random Mass Effect event], sometimes down to the exact day ("three years ago today you rescued me from...").

Since Retribution also took place in 2186, and Deception takes place after that novel but before ME3, it can *only* take place in 2186.

Deception messes with the timeline in at least two ways I can think of: it says that it's been two years since the geth/Reaper attack on the Citadel, and it says that six years have passed since Gillian was twelve.

Gillian was twelve in (late?) 2183, after the events of Mass Effect.

[LPPrince]

The whole thing doesn't make a lick of sense.

[ElitePinecone]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Oh, I meant to say this yesterday...

People were saying the leaked demo confirmed ME3 took place in 2187 or 2188, because the intro text mentioned 'thirty years' since humanity found it wasn't alone in the universe.

This isn't correct. ME3 takes place in 2186. Several characters mention that it's been three years since [random Mass Effect event], sometimes down to the exact day ("three years ago today you rescued me from...").

Since Retribution also took place in 2186, and Deception takes place after that novel but before ME3, it can *only* take place in 2186.

Deception messes with the timeline in at least two ways I can think of: it says that it's been two years since the geth/Reaper attack on the Citadel, and it says that six years have passed since Gillian was twelve.

Gillian was twelve in (late?) 2183, after the events of Mass Effect.

Edit: This means Deception is apparently set in 2185 or 2189; if the former is true Retribution hasn't happened yet and nothing makes sense, and if the latter is true the events of ME3 happened three years ago and everything still makes no sense. 

Simply put: the internal timeline of the book is shot to smithereens, and the external timeline makes no sense with Nick and Gillian's ages. 

[ElitePinecone]

edit: Ahh, this wasn't meant to be a quote!

embarassing. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 30 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[LPPrince]

Eh, I've quoted myself in the past. Don't worry about it.

[LPPrince]

LPPrince wrote...

Eh, I've quoted myself in the past. Don't worry about it.

See?

Anyway, back to Deception being suckish.

[Arcadian Legend]

LPPrince wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Eh, I've quoted myself in the past. Don't worry about it.

See?

Anyway, back to Deception being suckish.

I hear it sucks so hard, it sucked itself out of existence.

If only...

[LPPrince]

Perhaps when Bioware responds...

[JamesFaith]

Still no mention about releasing Deception on W. C. Dietz's FB profile.
Straaaange.... Maybe he hidding something? Remorses? 

[Khran1505]

BioWare - "Dietz, how exactly are you defining on mass, are we talking about hundreds of fans here?"

William C. Dietz - "No, we're talking about thousands actually."

BioWare - "So is it your opinion then that this in fact a preperation against a legitimate attack."

William C. Dietz - "I really wouldn't lend any credence to reports of pissed off rageful fans coming to kill us."

Modifié par Khran1505, 30 janvier 2012 - 11:52 .

[ElitePinecone]

Found it.

The Retribution chapter specifically states Kai Leng retained his natural appearance when he went to meet Aria

Kai Leng wasn’t worried about being recognized as he made his way through the twisting
thoroughfares of Omega. The last time he had been here his appearance had been carefully altered. This time, as per the Illusive Man’s instructions, he wasn’t wearing a disguise.

The batarian led him up the small staircase into the private booth, then stepped off to the side. Aria didn’t ask him to sit; even if she had, Kai Leng would have declined. Perhaps she knew that, which was why she hadn’t made the offer.

I don’t get involved with people I don’t know,” the Pirate Queen informed him. “So let’s start with you telling me your name.”
“You know I wouldn’t give you my real name,” Kai Leng replied. “I can make something up if you want, but it seems like a waste of time.”
“Are you willing to tell me who you’re working for, at least?”
As instructed, he answered truthfully. “I work for Cerberus. Grayson used to be one of our people.”
Every alien in the booth tensed, except for Aria herself.
“Why is Cerberus in my club?” she demanded coolly.
“My boss wants to make you an offer,” Kai Leng replied.

She even examines what he looks like, in great detail:

Aria had studied the human as he’d crossed the floor of the club and approached her booth. The lean, tattooed man was obviously a highly skilled assassin. He showed neither fear nor bravado, moving through the crowd with the easy grace of a predator on the prowl.

(Side note: Oh, Karpyshynian prose, how I missed thee.)

[rolson00]

shocking that bioware would allow something that compromises the mass effect story so much