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[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

The fact that four books in is the first time biotic levels are mentioned is a retcon, though - we knew biotics had varying strength, not that there was a quantified scale. And they write it as if his hideout in Deception has always been a permanent hideout.

And I agree that ZLurps' example should be added, I'm not logged in to Google at the moment, though.

It's also very clear that the only reason Dietz mentions these Biotic levels is because he misunderstood the concept of L2 and L3 implants, and thought they referred to some sort of Biotic level rating.

It's like seeing "Normandy SR2" and thinking "Normandy Super Rocket 2".

[JamesFaith]

Luc0s wrote...


"29. TIM's hideout -  in Retribution it is written that TIM is hiding on a space station, which changes location after every visitor including Leng. Now TIM is on a planet and stays there after Leng's visit."

Not really an error. TIM could just have changed his hideout. He did so between Ascention and Retribution. During Ascention, TIM's hideout was on earth in the penthouse of Hislop Aerospace's building. So between Ascention and Restribution his hideout also changed. I don't see why it can't change again between Retribution and Deception. No error here.

Well, biggest problem is that in Retribution is written that TIM changing location after every visit from outside, including Leng, which was written there too. Now he staying on one place after his visit. There was also mentioned in Retributon, that his spacestation is mobile to serve this purpose so why he suddenly dwelling on planet? What happened to that command station? It looks that Dietz mistaken command station with research station hitted by turians, co he moved him to planet.

[MissOuJ]

Luc0s wrote...

"16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants, such as the L2 and L3 implants for humans."

This is wrong. Not every human boitic shares the same strength. Some human biotics are more powerful than others. The entire ascention project was about getting the most potential out of human biotics. The previous books also made it clear that only the more advanced human biotics could use attacks such as 'singularity'.

However, Deception might be the first book that actually used numbers to categorize the strength and level of a biotic. But that's not really an error or retcon.

The wording of 16 might be a bit misleading, but it is not wrong.

In the book, Dietz describes as people being "Level 1/2/3 biotics", and describes how, people can "advance" to a higher level with enough training. This is false, as you youself said. Different individuals have different biotic potential. Training/amps can help you hone your abilities, but Nick "stopping at the Cube to train so he can some day become a Level 3 biotic" is bull.

Dietz seems to have misunderstood the use of L2, L3 ect. (as in implants), and that's where the error comes from.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:42 .

[Arcadian Legend]

When Kai Leng aquires a new weapon, he takes out the block of metal from the gun and replaces it with CEREAL. LOTS OF CEREAL.

[JoePilot]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

"16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants, such as the L2 and L3 implants for humans."

This is wrong. Not every human boitic shares the same strength. Some human biotics are more powerful than others. The entire ascention project was about getting the most potential out of human biotics. The previous books also made it clear that only the more advanced human biotics could use attacks such as 'singularity'.

However, Deception might be the first book that actually used numbers to categorize the strength and level of a biotic. But that's not really an error or retcon.

You would think if there was such a measurement of innate biotics, it would have been mentioned in Ascension.

They did, but didn't quantify it: the researches on the ascension project injected needle-like probes into the necks of the biotic children to take measurements of beta-wave levels or something, but they didn't go into much more detail.

[LPPrince]

Yuoaman wrote...

It's like seeing "Normandy SR2" and thinking "Normandy Super Rocket 2".

That's not what it stands for?

[izmirtheastarach]

I would like to purchase one of these "Super Rockets"

[JoePilot]

incidentally, what does the SR stand for?

I always thought SSV stood for "systems (alliance) space vessel", but that's diferent.

Modifié par JoePilot, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:47 .

[TheRevanchist]

JoePilot wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

I don't disagree for the most part, I'm just saying that the term 'asexual' can have different meanings, and one of those meanings "without sex differentiation" can be interpreted to be correct.  It's a flaw resulting from the different definitions of the term, when trying to describe a theoretical species that doesn't exist in reality and has no close analogue to compare it to; different adjectives with varying degrees of accuracy are going to get thrown around, so I'm willing to be more tolerant of his misunderstandings in this. one. instance.

Yeah, well......your point makes sense. They sort of kind of meet one of of the definitions. So..can we get back to all the other things that are wrong with this terrible book?

Sure! In fact, I propose that from now on, whenever in a heated debate on BSN in which there is no clear resolution, we employ a simple statement that re-affirms common ground and allows both sides to agree to disagree, to wit:

Person A: "No, you twit, the migrant fleet securitiy process involves TWO DISTINCT codes, one of which is the all-clear, the other is a disguised distress signal that results in annihilation of the offending craft."

Person B: "Don't call me a twit, you Leng, I'm saying that in ME2 they didn't give the code, therefore it's not canon!"

Person A: "Deception sucks."

Person B: "Indeed, Deception sucks the worst."

Person A: "I'm glad we could come to an agreement."

Person B: "Me too. God, what an awful, awful book.  What were we talking about?"

Person A: "No idea."

Except person B is wrong...Tali does use the "All Clear" code before docking to the fleet....just saying...

[Blacklash93]

Also, Nick is described as being one of the best biotics of the Ascension program, right? Didn't Kahlee predict his progress as a biotic would slow as he ages and would fall behind the other kids eventually?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:47 .

[LPPrince]

JoePilot wrote...

incidentally, what does the SR stand for?

Stealth Reconnaissance.

[OrbitalWings]

LPPrince wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

It's like seeing "Normandy SR2" and thinking "Normandy Super Rocket 2".

That's not what it stands for?

Well that's just ruined the game for me. Sad panda now.

Honestly it seems he had a basic factsheet of the lore, and when faced with something he didn't quite understand, rather than contact the ME writers for clarification, he just made up whatever he wanted at the time.

5 minutes on the ME Wiki - or even just google - would have solved 90% of these errors.

[didymos1120]

JoePilot wrote...

incidentally, what does the SR stand for?

I always thought SSV stood for "systems (alliance) space vessel", but that's diferent.

"Stealth Reconaissance"

ETA: ninja'd

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Yo, I didn't read the sh!t known as this book. So can anyone spoil me the ending?

[JoePilot]

kylecouch wrote...

Except person B is wrong...Tali does use the "All Clear" code before docking to the fleet....just saying...

No she didn't. You Leng.

[LPPrince]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

It's like seeing "Normandy SR2" and thinking "Normandy Super Rocket 2".

That's not what it stands for?

Well that's just ruined the game for me. Sad panda now.

Honestly it seems he had a basic factsheet of the lore, and when faced with something he didn't quite understand, rather than contact the ME writers for clarification, he just made up whatever he wanted at the time.

5 minutes on the ME Wiki - or even just google - would have solved 90% of these errors.

You say five minutes- our wikia brethren say one hour.

[ZLurps]

60 documented errors now.

Modifié par ZLurps, 30 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[LPPrince]

ZLurps wrote...

60 documented errors now.

I want moar, to be honest.

[JoeLaTurkey]

When's the official release? Because if we've got 60 errors from previews then the fan will be hit.

[LPPrince]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

When's the official release? Because if we've got 60 errors from previews then the fan will be hit.

Mañana.

We can start the spoils in about 12 hours.

[TheRevanchist]

JoePilot wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Except person B is wrong...Tali does use the "All Clear" code before docking to the fleet....just saying...

No she didn't. You Leng.

Oh really?.....

[ZLurps]

LPPrince wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

60 documented errors now.

I want moar, to be honest.

People are likely to find more errors once the book is out but amount of errors is already really mind blowing.

[JoePilot]

kylecouch wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Except person B is wrong...Tali does use the "All Clear" code before docking to the fleet....just saying...

No she didn't. You Leng.

Oh really?.....

Deception sucks. 

[OrbitalWings]

LPPrince wrote...

You say five minutes- our wikia brethren say one hour.

True enough - the sheer number of them would take some time to get through, hehe.

Can't believe people are even finding glaring gramatical errors now.

[JamesFaith]

ZLurps wrote...

60 documented errors now.

39 should be connected with 58 (Gillians pendant). Same theme - time problem with pendant, which was given to Gillian in Ascencion and containing holo of experiments with Reapers technology on Grayson.