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Mass Effect: Deception Discussion Thread (Updated 2/2/2012) *Now with 30% more links!*

Débuté par JeffZero , janv. 25 2012 09:21

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Blacklash93
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:34

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Balmung31 wrote...
He should've been made to play the games, thing is if he's doing it against his will or doesn't like the games, he won't be emotionally involved like Drew was.

Nor does Dietz have any emotional investment in the novel series' characters. That becomes abundantly clear in the end.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:35

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AVPen wrote...

Reposting this individual's previous response, cause honestly, I feel it needs to be repeated in this thread (in my opinion, at least)

That Guy Raffy wrote...

As someone with a sister who is severely Autistic, I'm really hurt that a writer would make a character say some snot like, "Oh, I grew out of it." No. You don't grow out of Autism. It's a disorder that nobody grows out of. Ever. After 20 years of living with her, growing up with her, feeding her, and partially raising her myself alongside my parents she hasn't improved at all. She still has the mentality of a 1 year old, the vocabulary of someone younger than that, and the social skills worse than a 2 year old's. Sure, some people might grow out of other disorders like "Social Anxiety" or "ADHD" but Autism is incurable. If Autism isn't curable by 218X, you darn well can't "grow out of it."

Maybe this was all a bit unfair for me to say because my sister wouldn't be able to understand this conversation, much less cry about it because of her Autism... Actually it might be fair; because if she was able to "grow out" of her Autistic phase in 3 years, she would've already been talking to me about how hurt she would be about a science fiction book.


Thank you, because I agree with Raf and feel this needs to be shown more often.

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Balmung31
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:35

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LPPrince wrote...

TNA is WCW without a budget. Since I'm assuming Dietz was given ample money, lets assume he...nah, he's TNA. WCW was good at one point.

TNA never has been.

TNA is definitely Deception.


I dunno.  WCW got really, REALLY bad when they brought Russo over.  It may not have been doing too well before that, but it wasn't...well, WHATEVER the hell Russo did to it.  Kinda like this book series.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:35

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jdunn1 wrote...

just learned the secret of the toothbrush. i'm beginning to think "deception" is just some intricate hoax made up by people on the forums to get a really long thread. surely, this isn't real.


WAIT WAT

Tell me or I'll ****** in your cereal and drink from your vase.:devil:

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:35

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DuckSoup wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

(Facebook friends FTW, plus she once confirmed on twitter that I was adorable, I'm totally sucking up at this point)


Adorable? Heh. 


Oh shut it, you agree with her.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:35

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At the end of the day, this book is like an abortion that somebody tried to polish with a rusty cheese grater.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:36

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Blacklash93 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...
He should've been made to play the games, thing is if he's doing it against his will or doesn't like the games, he won't be emotionally involved like Drew was.

Nor does Dietz have any emotional investment in the novel series' characters. That becomes abundantly clear in the end.


Sad. Very sad.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:36

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bennyjammin79 wrote...

At the end of the day, this book is like an abortion that somebody tried to polish with a rusty cheese grater.


Okay, that was eww.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:37

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Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying to scew this up? I mean really.

Modifié par Hello Man, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:38

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Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


Trying his hardest at not trying at all.

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LPPrince wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


Trying his hardest at not trying at all.


Sorry I meant trying to screw it up.

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Hawkeye121
Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:39

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This novel should be re-written by the fans for the fans.

-Hawk

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:39

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Hawkeye121 wrote...

This novel should be re-written by the fans for the fans.

-Hawk


HORRIBLE IDEA.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:39

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Hello Man wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Benjamin, improbable or impossible, which it's going to be? You are changing your argument.


I'm not changing my argument. My wording yes, but not the argument itself. It comes down to the FACT that nowhere in any ME body of work does it state that salarian females don't ever go off world and seek other professions. I agree that it'd be extrememly rare to see a salarian female merc but it's not an impossibility.

And not an error.




You're not getting it. The problem isn't that she's out there, its that no one cares.

They act like its normal. Like its not something that's rare as hell and shocking.


Well may I add even though 90% of the population is male I believe Salarian culture is matriarchal. The females are important to the clans well being.


Indeed - also, I think it's worth pointing out that the real oddity is in seeing a female salarian in this particular role and in person, rather than seeing a female salarian at all.  People in the ME universe are probably quite used to seeing female salarians as a minority and in specific power roles, albeit probably only on news vids/extranet for the most part (so I doubt they'd react like this when they see those female salarians).  As for a female salarian merc, even with females making up 1 in 10 salarians, because of where they are and what roles they tend to make up the chances of seeing one in that role is probably way lower than 1 in 10.  Hell even Tazzik, gets more of a reaction than this merc.

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Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


I think he was trying to fill his pockets full of lovely cash... and succeeding. Ker-ching! 

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:40

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DuckSoup wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


I think he was trying to fill his pockets full of lovely cash... and succeeding. Ker-ching! 


He got his money, he won.

Mass Effect, Bioware, and we all lost.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:41

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Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


Just imagine the surprise at BioWare when they received the first draft of Deception.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:41

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jdunn1 wrote...

just learned the secret of the toothbrush. i'm beginning to think "deception" is just some intricate hoax made up by people on the forums to get a really long thread. surely, this isn't real.


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“Ah, yes, ‘Deception’. A book containting vase amounts of mistakes and lore holes the size of a Titan class starship allegedly from dark space. We have dismissed this claim.”

Modifié par Snakedude4life, 30 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:42

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More importantly to me which has been stated many times. How in God's green Earth did this get past Bioware!

I really do hope someone says something.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:42

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ZLurps wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


Just imagine the surprise at BioWare when they received the first draft of Deception.


The amount of coffee spit out of mouths on that day...

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:43

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ZLurps wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

Its still mine boggling how something can be screwed up so badly. Was he trying? I mean really.


Just imagine the surprise at BioWare when they received the first draft of Deception.


So surprised... and utterly appalled... that they let it be published. 

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:43

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Hello Man wrote...

More importantly to me which has been stated many times. How in God's green Earth did this get past Bioware!

I really do hope someone says something.


Thats what I'm trying to figure out.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:43

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For those tagging all of the errors in the list (mostly Iohanna), if you come across one that doesn't quite fit into those categories just tag it as a "Lore" problem, since that's a category I missed when I made my post.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:43

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You know, I'd love to know how Dietz was selected.  What did they look for on all the resumes when deciding who to pass the book off to?  What made Dietz the final choice compared to the others?  Did they look at reviews of his previous books?  I can't imagine the reviews were all that stellar from what others have said here about them. 

I know, I know.  They'll never tell. 


But they should.

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Posté 30 janvier 2012 - 10:44

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Snakedude4life wrote...

jdunn1 wrote...

just learned the secret of the toothbrush. i'm beginning to think "deception" is just some intricate hoax made up by people on the forums to get a really long thread. surely, this isn't real.


“Ah, yes, ‘Deception’. A book containting vase amounts of mistakes and lore holes the size of a Titan class starship allegedly from dark space. We have dismissed this claim.”


TIS A LIE! THY BOOKSIDE IS WHOLE AND UNDISMISSED THOU UNGRATEFUL FORUMITE!

/thanks for the assist Princess Luna
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