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Mass Effect: Deception Discussion Thread (Updated 2/2/2012) *Now with 30% more links!*
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#5577
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:10
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It was probably a pathetically transparent attempt to be edgy, much like the murder of civilians in Modern Warfare 2 death of the kid in Modern Warfare 3.izmirtheastarach wrote...
The thing that frustrates me the most about this book? Obviously, spoilers:
Gillian is a character I knew until now as a troubled twelve year old with a talent for Biotics. She's a little girl who is coming out of her shell, helped along by the buffer created by living among Quarians in full suits.
In this book, she literally murders dozens of people. This includes one scene where she kills another human girl in cold blood. Shoots her point blank in the head. It's so bizarre.
Did Dietz think that people who liked the character would be on board with this? If so, he needs to do some serious work on getting in touch with his audience.
#5579
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:10
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izmirtheastarach wrote...
In this book, she literally murders dozens of people. This includes one scene where she kills another human girl in cold blood. Shoots her point blank in the head. It's so bizarre.
Nick seems to have gone a bit kill-crazy as well.
#5580
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:10
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Stop trolling. I remember people a lot of people dying in this book. What kind of ending would two people banging each other be after all of that?bleetman wrote...
Anderson and Kahlee bang the hell out of each other, again.Lord Aesir wrote...
So, what's the ending?
No, really.
#5581
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:10
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Going on a 11 hour trip to new york city wensday
Figure I'll catch up on some light reading....
Figure I'll catch up on some light reading....
#5582
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:12
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didymos1120 wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
In this book, she literally murders dozens of people. This includes one scene where she kills another human girl in cold blood. Shoots her point blank in the head. It's so bizarre.
Nick seems to have gone a bit kill-crazy as well.
Probably stress. He's working real hard to reach Biotic Power Level 3. I wonder what moves he'll unlock
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#5583
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:12
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Bet you finish this so-called "book" inside 3 hours.wellactually12 wrote...
Going on a 11 hour trip to new york city wensday
Figure I'll catch up on some light reading....
#5584
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:12
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bleetman wrote...
Anderson and Kahlee bang the hell out of each other, again.Lord Aesir wrote...
So, what's the ending?
No, really.
#5586
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:13
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Lord Aesir wrote...
So, what's the ending?
Anderson wakes up and tells Kahlee about the dream he just had. Of course, this was awkard, not because the dream was so unbelievably bad or that he wanted to forget it. Rather the problem was with Anderson himself as he wasn't actually talking with Kahlee due to her not being there. This made Anderson very odd, not to mention deranged, and that was fine with Anderson.
#5587
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:14
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In the end, it turns out that Khalee has a penis.
#5588
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:14
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Guess what just showed up on my kindle?
#5589
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:15
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ODST 3 wrote...
In the end, it turns out that Khalee has a penis.
Didn't realize Anderson was that kinky.
#5591
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:15
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wellactually12 wrote...
Guess what just showed up on my kindle?
Sadness? Is it sadness? It's sadness, isn't it.
#5592
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:16
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Kai leng
Space-racist and the only man who can be at a house auction on the batarian homeworld...
Dafuk?
Space-racist and the only man who can be at a house auction on the batarian homeworld...
Dafuk?
#5594
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:19
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Alright, I'll give my current thoughts and complaint on this dreck (excluding the countless lore/canon screw-ups):
How f***ing worthless is this novel when the entire plot within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off for no other purpose other than erase their existence from the ME universe:
- Hendel is murdered by Nick for accidently killing Nick's "fiancee" (a girl he's known for only a few days on Omega)
- Nick is randomly killed by a salarian who works for Aria (one of her "most trusted advisers".... which we've never met before and will never see again beyond Deception)
- Gillian is killed by Kai Leng with a god-damn sharpened toothbrush
Other than that, nothing matters in the this novel to the plot of the ME universe, nothing - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters change or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other media are resolved, not a damn thing...
This is no "lead-in" to Mass Effect 3 as some of the developers claimed... there's nothing for it to lead anywhere! It's utterly pointless, a complete waste of the tree used to make the paper to print this worthless book and an absolutely waste of the time and energy of anyone who bothers to read through it.
How f***ing worthless is this novel when the entire plot within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off for no other purpose other than erase their existence from the ME universe:
- Hendel is murdered by Nick for accidently killing Nick's "fiancee" (a girl he's known for only a few days on Omega)
- Nick is randomly killed by a salarian who works for Aria (one of her "most trusted advisers".... which we've never met before and will never see again beyond Deception)
- Gillian is killed by Kai Leng with a god-damn sharpened toothbrush
Other than that, nothing matters in the this novel to the plot of the ME universe, nothing - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters change or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other media are resolved, not a damn thing...
This is no "lead-in" to Mass Effect 3 as some of the developers claimed... there's nothing for it to lead anywhere! It's utterly pointless, a complete waste of the tree used to make the paper to print this worthless book and an absolutely waste of the time and energy of anyone who bothers to read through it.
Modifié par AVPen, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:21 .
#5595
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:20
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For anyone wanting to contact Bioware, I just received a very well written letter that very nicely sums up the general consensus on the book:
To whom it may concern at Bioware
The Mass Effect universe has been a joy for many gamers, as well as fans of science fiction in general. This universe is arguably the most promising science fiction setting since Star Wars. As the creators of this Universe, it is your right to shape it as you sit fit. However, as fans of Mass Effect, both the video games and the supplementary novels and comic books, we are very upset with Mass Effect:Deception, the most recent entry in the Mass Effect novel series.
Mass Effect: Deception has many problems. While we as fans could spend time criticizing Deitz writing style, or perhaps nitpick the overarching plot (both of which are subjective items), we are instead upset at the "artistic freedoms" taken by Deitz in this novel which directly violate the lore of the Mass Effect Universe. A list of inaccuracies has been compiled online at this link:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
Admittedly, many of these errors can be nitpicky (such as number 4: Citadel surrounded by stars). However, many of these points are out and out against the lore of both the video games and the previous novels and comics (such as, under characters, Gillian Grayson's autism never being mentioned). While obviously these works are certain to contradict each other in places, the sheer volume and frequency of these errors is completely overwhelming. Even worse are errors where simple editting should have caught (such as Nick aging 3 years in the course of 6 months between this story and Retribution).
Obviously, we as fans are greatly upset to see the Universe that we have come to love being given such a poor treatment. While we understand that the Universe belongs to you to shape, we as fans cannot stand silently by, allowing quality this poor to pass as canon. We understand that contracting out this book, publication, etc. is a vastly expensive process. However, when such effort and finance is spent, it should be done so carefully, not haphazardly. To allow works such as this to pass for Mass Effect canon belittles not only the novel series, but the entire Mass Effect universe.
Thus, we as fans ask two things. First, we would ask that Mr. Deitz not be given another chance at writing a Mass Effect novel. The sheer volume of errors and inaccuracies show he doesn't have the same desire to build the Mass Effect universe as his predecessor, Mr. Karpyshyn. He clearly is not invested in the world Bioware worked so hard to create. We would ask that future novels only be undertaken by writers of the Mass Effect video games, or at least writers who are as big of fans as Mass Effect as we are.
Second, we ask that Mass Effect: Deception be disavowed as non-canon. While this may seem meaningless, and would likely hurt sales, we believe Mass Effect deserves better than this. This largely symbolic gesture would show Bioware is rededicating itself to quality control, and will show that Mass Effect isn't just a revenue stream, but a truely inspired and well-crafted creation. By allowing another writer to fix the glaring errors presented, we can hopefully get Mass Effect back on track, and see the Universe continue to grow, even after the completion of the video game trilogy, when Mass Effect 3 releases this March.
We understand there is a lot being asked in this letter. We also understand some of our complaints may seem small. However, we as fans need to be just as responsible to ensure that Mass Effect remains as imaginative as ever going forward. By voicing our complaints, we hope to at minium encourage Bioware and EA to reevaluate just what Mass Effect can offer.
Thank you for your time in this matter.
Sincerely,
[YOUR NAME HERE]
To whom it may concern at Bioware
The Mass Effect universe has been a joy for many gamers, as well as fans of science fiction in general. This universe is arguably the most promising science fiction setting since Star Wars. As the creators of this Universe, it is your right to shape it as you sit fit. However, as fans of Mass Effect, both the video games and the supplementary novels and comic books, we are very upset with Mass Effect:Deception, the most recent entry in the Mass Effect novel series.
Mass Effect: Deception has many problems. While we as fans could spend time criticizing Deitz writing style, or perhaps nitpick the overarching plot (both of which are subjective items), we are instead upset at the "artistic freedoms" taken by Deitz in this novel which directly violate the lore of the Mass Effect Universe. A list of inaccuracies has been compiled online at this link:
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
Admittedly, many of these errors can be nitpicky (such as number 4: Citadel surrounded by stars). However, many of these points are out and out against the lore of both the video games and the previous novels and comics (such as, under characters, Gillian Grayson's autism never being mentioned). While obviously these works are certain to contradict each other in places, the sheer volume and frequency of these errors is completely overwhelming. Even worse are errors where simple editting should have caught (such as Nick aging 3 years in the course of 6 months between this story and Retribution).
Obviously, we as fans are greatly upset to see the Universe that we have come to love being given such a poor treatment. While we understand that the Universe belongs to you to shape, we as fans cannot stand silently by, allowing quality this poor to pass as canon. We understand that contracting out this book, publication, etc. is a vastly expensive process. However, when such effort and finance is spent, it should be done so carefully, not haphazardly. To allow works such as this to pass for Mass Effect canon belittles not only the novel series, but the entire Mass Effect universe.
Thus, we as fans ask two things. First, we would ask that Mr. Deitz not be given another chance at writing a Mass Effect novel. The sheer volume of errors and inaccuracies show he doesn't have the same desire to build the Mass Effect universe as his predecessor, Mr. Karpyshyn. He clearly is not invested in the world Bioware worked so hard to create. We would ask that future novels only be undertaken by writers of the Mass Effect video games, or at least writers who are as big of fans as Mass Effect as we are.
Second, we ask that Mass Effect: Deception be disavowed as non-canon. While this may seem meaningless, and would likely hurt sales, we believe Mass Effect deserves better than this. This largely symbolic gesture would show Bioware is rededicating itself to quality control, and will show that Mass Effect isn't just a revenue stream, but a truely inspired and well-crafted creation. By allowing another writer to fix the glaring errors presented, we can hopefully get Mass Effect back on track, and see the Universe continue to grow, even after the completion of the video game trilogy, when Mass Effect 3 releases this March.
We understand there is a lot being asked in this letter. We also understand some of our complaints may seem small. However, we as fans need to be just as responsible to ensure that Mass Effect remains as imaginative as ever going forward. By voicing our complaints, we hope to at minium encourage Bioware and EA to reevaluate just what Mass Effect can offer.
Thank you for your time in this matter.
Sincerely,
[YOUR NAME HERE]
#5596
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:20
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It's only 9:20, pacific time. Lousy American time zones. Catch the heck up. I want to post my reviews.
Hey, you can still pre-order Deception.
Hey, you can still pre-order Deception.
#5597
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:21
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AVPen wrote...
Alright, I'll give my current thoughts and complaint on this dreck (excluding the countless lore/canon screw-ups):
How f***ing worthless is this novel when the entire plot within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off for no other purpose other than erase their existence from the ME universe:
- Hendel is murdered by Nick for accidently killing Nick's "fiancee" (a girl he's known for only a few days on Omega)
- Nick is randomly killed by a salarian who works for Aria (one of her "most trusted advisers".... which we've never met before and will never see again beyond Deception)
- Gillian is killed by Kai Leng with a god-damn sharpened toothbrush
Other than that, nothing matters in the this novel to the plot of the ME universe, nothing - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters change or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other media are resolved, not a damn thing...
This is no "lead-in" to Mass Effect 3 as some of the developers claimed... there's nothing for it to lead anywhere! It's utterly pointless, a complete waste of the tree used to make the paper to print this worthless book.
That sums it up quite well - Bioware just let this guy completely slaughter characters that we've come to care about. And the reason for this? TRICK QUESTION, THERE IS NONE.
#5598
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:22
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.....The same Nick who was maturing, and helping out the other kids at Project Ascension showing he wasn't the same douchebag kid he was in his first appearance?AVPen wrote...
- Hendel is murdered by Nick for accidently killing Nick's "fiancee" (a girl he's known for only a few days on Omega)
- Nick is randomly killed by a salarian who works for Aria (one of her "most trusted advisers".... which we've never met before and will never see again beyond Deception)
#5599
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:22
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No, you're right. There's totally a council meeting in the last chapter too, where they again refuse to believe any of this reaper nonsense.HiroVoid wrote...
Stop trolling. I remember people a lot of people dying in this book. What kind of ending would two people banging each other be after all of that?
Also Anderson plants some trees.
Then they go to a hotel and apparently have more sex.
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#5600
Posté 31 janvier 2012 - 05:23
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On Eden Prime no less. 'Cause that was in the games!
