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[Thargorichiban]

http://www.barnesand...ffect deception

It's showing almost a perfect score on barnesandnoble.com

I tried putting in my own review, but it didn't show it since I linked to the Lore Error document. If somebody wants to put in a review remember not to put in any links.

[Grey34]

Death By Smiley wrote...

Yuoaman posted a rough draft of my letter suggestion earlier. Here it is again with some typos and such fixed.

To whom it may concern at Bioware

The Mass Effect universe has been a joy for many gamers, as well as fans of science fiction in general. This universe is arguably the most promising science fiction setting since Star Wars. As the creators of this Universe, it is your right to shape it as you see fit. However, as fans of Mass Effect, both the video games and the supplementary novels and comic books, we are very upset with Mass Effect: Deception, the most recent entry in the Mass Effect novel series.

Mass Effect: Deception has many problems. While we as fans could spend time criticizing Dietz writing style, or perhaps nitpick the overarching plot (both of which are subjective items), we are instead upset at the "artistic freedoms" taken by Mr. Dietz in this novel which directly violate the lore of the Mass Effect Universe. A list of inaccuracies has been compiled online at this link:

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Admittedly, many of these errors can be nitpicky (such as number 4: Citadel surrounded by stars). However, many of these points are out and out against the lore of both the video games and the previous novels and comics (such as, under characters, Gillian Grayson's autism never being mentioned). While obviously these works are certain to contradict each other in places, the sheer volume and frequency of these errors is completely overwhelming. Even worse are errors where simple editting should have caught (such as Nick aging 3 years in the course of 6 months between this story and Retribution).

Obviously, we as fans are greatly upset to see the Universe that we have come to love being given such a poor treatment. While we understand that the Universe belongs to you to shape, we as fans cannot stand silently by, allowing quality this poor to pass as canon. We understand that contracting out this book, publication, etc. is a vastly expensive process. However, when such effort and finance is spent, it should be done carefully, not haphazardly. To allow works such as this to pass for Mass Effect canon belittles not only the novel series, but the entire Mass Effect universe.

Thus, we as fans ask two things. First, we would ask that Mr. Deitz not be given another chance at writing a Mass Effect novel. The sheer volume of errors and inaccuracies show he doesn't have the same desire to build the Mass Effect universe as his predecessor, Mr. Karpyshyn. He clearly is not invested in the world Bioware worked so hard to create. We would ask that future novels only be undertaken by writers of the Mass Effect video games, or at least writers who are as big of fans of Mass Effect as we are.

Second, we ask that Mass Effect: Deception be disavowed as non-canon. While this may seem meaningless, and would likely hurt sales, we believe Mass Effect deserves better than this. This largely symbolic gesture would show Bioware is rededicating itself to quality control, and will show that Mass Effect isn't just a revenue stream, but a truely inspired and well-crafted creation. By allowing another writer to fix the glaring errors presented, we can hopefully get Mass Effect back on track, and see the Universe continue to grow, even after the completion of the video game trilogy, when Mass Effect 3 releases this March.

We understand there is a lot being asked in this letter. We also understand some of our complaints may seem small. However, we as fans need to be just as responsible to ensure that Mass Effect remains as imaginative as ever going forward. By voicing our complaints, we hope to at minium encourage Bioware and EA to reevaluate just what Mass Effect can offer.

Thank you for your time in this matter.

Sincerely,

[YOUR NAME HERE]

 
  Grey34
well said i agree   

[NPH11]

MissMaster wrote...
Really now?

It's not that silly. She simply must've reached Power Level Four. Reave is probably unlocked around that stage.


Also, someone oughta get a petition going somewhere to gather some names for that letter. Actual names too. Would have more power behind it I would think.

Thargorichiban wrote...

http://www.barnesand...ffect deception

It's showing almost a perfect score on barnesandnoble.com

I tried putting in my own review, but it didn't show it since I linked to the Lore Error document. If somebody wants to put in a review remember not to put in any links.

One review was written in May 2011 

Modifié par NPH11, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Meteor_VII wrote...

wellactually12 wrote...

I would honestly pay to be in the meeting rooms at Bioware tommorrow.

I would just pay to have a person come out and be honest about it. Tell us that yea we told deitz to just kill off these people and didn't care how it happened. Or the quality of the book.

Very much sounds like it.  The book reeks of a "cleaning house" book in that the whole point of said book is to wrap up certain threads, in this case bring characters.

[ODST 3]

wellactually12 wrote...
don't buy video gaming novels

This is a good rule to live by. They're about as sh*tty as video game movies.

[ODST 3]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

“Your name.”
“It’s Marisa. Marisa Mendez.”
“My name’s Nick. Nick Donahue.”
“I know. Everyone does.”
“I want to thank you, Marisa. You saved my life.”
Marisa looked down. “It was nothing.”
Nick brought his left hand up under Marisa’s chin. Her eyes met his. He meant to say something but
wound up kissing her instead. Her lips were soft, she smelled like soap, and the pain in his shoulder was momentarily forgotten. It felt good to be alive.

139 pages later:

“Mr. Mitra!”
Nick exclaimed. “What are you doing here? You
killed Marisa!”
Fighting raged all around and Hendel was dimly aware of a ground- shaking BOOM as he propped himself up on his elbows. “Marisa? Was she your girlfriend?”
“Yes, damn you . . . We were going to get married.”

THIS IS EVERY INSTANCE WHERE HER NAME IS MENTIONED.

Sounds like true love to me.

Step aside Ashley! I want me some Marisa! <3

[Ashira Shepard]

AVPen wrote...

A new article on our efforts to catalog all these errors in Deception:
http://www.playeratt...rrors-say-fans/

Bioware will know about this. One publicity victory at a time!

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:19 .

[Zhuinden]

SPOILER LOL FAIL CITY: Sex Scene aboard the Ship

Aboard the freighter PICTOR

As the freighter Pictor shot toward the mass effect relay at a speed of nearly fi fteen kilometers per second, it was little more than a momentary blur. Then there was a sudden fl are of light as the ship’s element zero core was taken off- line and its mass effect fields were snuffed from existence. Like a projectile fired from a rifle the Pictor flew toward what looked like an evil eye floating in the blackness of space. Two communications masts stood straight up from a structure that consisted of two gigantic rings that rotated around a glowing sphere.

Slowly at first, and then with increasing speed, the rings began to spin as the ship closed in. Then, once
the Pictor was about five hundred kilometers away, the relay fired and the freighter was consumed by a
vortex of dark energy. It shimmered and disappeared. But because Anderson was busy making love to
Kahlee he missed the transition from one state to another.

The big passenger liners didn’t serve Omega. So anyone who wanted to travel there from the Citadel
had to have a ship of their own or book passage on a freighter like the Pictor. Like most of her kind she was
equipped to carry both cargo and a handful of passengers. The fact that the emphasis was on freight rather
than people meant that the cabins were so small and cramped that there was barely enough space to walk
around the bed. So it was the natural place to sit. And once they sat on the bed one thing led to another and
it wasn’t long before the couple were on a journey of their own. A very pleasant interlude that was barely
over when someone began to thump on the hatch.
And that was necessary since neither the intercom nor the doorbell worked.
“Yeah, yeah,” Anderson grumbled, as he pulled his pants on. “Just a minute.”
Having pulled the blankets up over her breasts Kahlee watched the hatch cycle open to reveal a portly volus.
He was the ship’s steward and none too pleased. “Your Earth friend is causing trouble.”

Modifié par Zhuinden, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:20 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Hopefully some other web sites follow Kotaku and report on Deceptions many many faults.

[AtreiyaN7]

Zhuinden wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I remember reading some of Dietz's novels way back...I can't recall any of them being really bad, but boy, some of these excerpts from Deception. *sigh* He must not have tried very hard on this book.

Well a guy here said Earth Rise is the worst book he has ever read, and it was also coincidentally written by William C. Dietz.

The revelation was a marvellous sight.

I can't remember which specific titles of his that I read, but it was a loooong time ago. I'm pretty sure that I did not read Earth Rise, as the name does not ring any bells, and I'll be sure to avoid it now...unless I feel the urge to inflict some pain on myself OR my curiosity finally gets the better of me. After reading the English translation of 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami recently, these excerpts are making me laugh when I compare the writing.

[JoeLaTurkey]

AshiraShepard wrote...

AVPen wrote...

A new article on our efforts to catalog all these errors in Deception:
http://www.playeratt...rrors-say-fans/

Bioware will know about this. One publicity victory at a time!

Oh yeah!

[izmirtheastarach]

Thargorichiban wrote...

It's showing almost a perfect score on barnesandnoble.com

I tried putting in my own review, but it didn't show it since I linked to the Lore Error document. If somebody wants to put in a review remember not to put in any links.

Done. If you and anyone else with an account can go back and thumb it up, that's would be good.

Barnes & Noble reviews

Also, it seems like you don't need to write anything to give it a star rating. Everyone should try doing this as well.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:22 .

[Maugrim]

I submitted my review to B&N

[Thargorichiban]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

It's showing almost a perfect score on barnesandnoble.com

I tried putting in my own review, but it didn't show it since I linked to the Lore Error document. If somebody wants to put in a review remember not to put in any links.

Done. If you and anyone else with an account can go back and thumb it up, that's would be good.

Barnes & Noble reviews

Also, it seems like you don't need to write anything to give it a star rating. Everyone should try doing this as well.

Done and done!

[wellactually12]

If dietz was the earth, we are the reapers.

and we just made the earth our ****!

[Ashira Shepard]

wellactually12 wrote...

If dietz was the earth, we are the reapers.

and we just made the earth our ****!

I approve this line of thought, good sir. 

[izmirtheastarach]

Just in case there are any Canadians here, reviews can go here too:

Chapters reviews

[Zhuinden]

I love how there is already a discount on the book at Amazon UK. It's just funny.
Not to mention the four 1-star reviews.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 31 janvier 2012 - 06:27 .

[NPH11]

This novel has taught us a lesson.

There's hitting the mark...

missing the mark...

and shooting in the opposite direction.

[wellactually12]

Don't forget to review it on such devices as nooks and/or kindles

[Dave of Canada]

I don't see much of a difference between the quality of writing of Deception and ME3's script.

[Zhuinden]

NPH11 wrote...

This novel has taught us a lesson.

There's hitting the mark...

missing the mark...

and shooting in the opposite direction.

Or maybe also shooting yourself, in this case.

[izmirtheastarach]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between the quality of writing of Deception and ME3's script.

The difference being that this booked is a final, complete, fully edited product.

[Ashira Shepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between the quality of writing of Deception and ME3's script.

Dude... 

[Zhuinden]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't see much of a difference between the quality of writing of Deception and ME3's script.

The difference being that this booked is a final, complete, fully edited product.

Or at least it should be.