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[CDRSkyShepard]

I offer up a prayer to the Mass Effect Canon gods this day as I embark on my journey to purchase and read this..."Deception." If only so I can be better informed of the potential damage it can do to my beloved franchise and further aid the effort to get this book struck from the canon.

May they have mercy on my soul.

[GhostV9]

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[Darc_Requiem]

fredward55 wrote...

So what's the ending of this book

I don't know but whatever it is, it's sure to be poorly written. It would probably end with a hobo shanking someone with a sharpened toothbrush.

[MissOuJ]

I'd very much like some sort of official response... Anything. Something!

Seriously, this thead has done on long enough to be noticed.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:15 .

[XXIceColdXX]

JunMadine wrote...

I truly doubt that we will get a response. If we get one it will be like...
"We support the work done by blah blah and are sorry fans do not agree with it."

I personally think some at Bioware will be pissed off as well that this novel slipped through the cracks.

If it were my company, my product, i would fire whoever reviewed this novel "line by line".

[Icinix]

fredward55 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Congratulations, guys, you managed to encapsulate absolutely everything that is wrong with fandom, all in one thread. Thanks to you, my tears will flow freely for the future tonight.

Ahh - excellent!

Someone else who hasn't read any of the thread!

Thread-reading is for squares.

And time consuming

..and time could be better spent reading Deception then coming back and joining the fun.

[Death By Smiley]

MissOuJ wrote...

SkyJackal wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Congratulations, guys, you managed to encapsulate absolutely everything that is wrong with fandom, all in one thread. Thanks to you, my tears will flow freely for the future tonight.

God forbid anybody care about quality control.

How dare I spend my money on something and demand quality! Particularly when the item in question carries the Bioware logo, which has had rather good reputation.

How dare I, I ask?!

In fairness, that kid from the Christmas story triple-dog dared you.

[Yuoaman]

SkyJackal wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Speaking of oddities, are Cerberus' marketing attempts and the Hu-Town vendors selling Spectre level gear on the list?

Not to mention, the idea of a completely human populated ghetto on the Citadel is a strange idea in and of itself.

I still lol at the name of that place. Might've well have been called Earthsville. Tho I suppose its better than "red ward" and "blue ward".

Guys, come one. Hu-Town is a real place and it's tragic. It's just as real as the other ghettos: As-Town, Sal-Town, Tu-Town, and Kro-Town.

[WizenSlinky0]

Yuoaman wrote...

He waited until the Prince was off of his throne.

The Jester and the Scholar aren't that great at intimidating people.

Huhu, intimidating me is difficult, you know?

I have resisted the soft cushion torture for many generations.

On another note, I'm not sure which characters got it worse in this book. The ones who dies, or the ones who had to live to see the ending.

[didymos1120]

cgrimm54 wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Liselle's furneral on Thessia really does like something straight out of "The Godfather", fyi.... complete with cars, a stretch limo, a delivery truck with rockets on the top, and a black freaking herse even.... on Thessia! 

Don't forget the car designed to crush other cars at the head of the parade.

And the one that can fire missiles.

[Quarters Alpha]

No, I don't think that fans have to just enjoy everything that people release. But getting to the point where you're review bombing some dude's book? I know you guys don't think it, but even in books that you think are crap, someone has poured their heart and soul into it. And yet you all take no issue in tearing them apart, merely to express your fervent anger at details being wrong, or the quality not being what you prefer. Gamers have become the most entitled, critical fanbase I've ever seen, and they get worse by the day. It's no longer possible just to sit back and enjoy something, instead becoming necessary to pick apart every single negative detail in a book.

Honestly, you have no idea how easy it is to forget world basics when writing. Writers tend to focus on the emotional beats they want to hit first, and the specific details last. I write myself, and my brother has two published books himself, and no, I don't mean self-published. In my case, I have trouble remembering what I wrote even at the beginning of the book, let alone trying to keep an entire codex in my head.

You guys expect an inhuman task from these writers. They don't have all day to discuss every little detail, and to debate with other writers on forums, and to spend all their free time on it. They have others things to write, things to think about, basic editing to take care of.

But, I know you all don't care about that. Instead, just continue with how awful this book is, and how deserving this guy is of getting ridiculously berated, by all means. Don't let me spoil your fun.

[Maugrim]

And he still hasn't read the thread, the book or the google docs. Talk about someone who doesn't have an idea.



"So play the game a lot, pause to take copious notes, and take time to think about the story that didn't reach the screen, because that is what most clients are looking for, and ultimately that is what can make a novelization more than a reverse engineered screenplay. The key is to tell the story that never made it to the screen (in the case of an electronic game.)
" 


"It's also a good idea to make sure that you receive a copy of everything that could conceivably be of assistance to you. That includes copies of the "bible," previous novelizations if any, tie-in publications of all sorts, DVDs, loose artwork or anything else that you can lay your hands on. Odds are that it will offer inspiration, help you describe
what things/people/creatures look like, and generally keep your head in the game.  "

William C. Dietz

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[AVPen]

Quick lore question, but was Kaidan also part of the "Biotic Acclimation and Temperance Training" program like Hendel was?

If he was, did he ever mention anything about the program also being designed to alienate the program students from their families?

Cause that's what Deception claims, at least.... 

Modifié par AVPen, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:17 .

[ddv.rsa]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

On another note, I'm not sure which characters got it worse in this book. The ones who dies, or the ones who had to live to see the ending.

Kai Leng would have been better off dying at the end of Retribution. Escaping Anderson only to fall into the hands of Dietz- talk about going from the pan into the fire!

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:18 .

[felipejiraya]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

No, I don't think that fans have to just enjoy everything that people release. But getting to the point where you're review bombing some dude's book? I know you guys don't think it, but even in books that you think are crap, someone has poured their heart and soul into it. And yet you all take no issue in tearing them apart, merely to express your fervent anger at details being wrong, or the quality not being what you prefer. Gamers have become the most entitled, critical fanbase I've ever seen, and they get worse by the day. It's no longer possible just to sit back and enjoy something, instead becoming necessary to pick apart every single negative detail in a book.

Honestly, you have no idea how easy it is to forget world basics when writing. Writers tend to focus on the emotional beats they want to hit first, and the specific details last. I write myself, and my brother has two published books himself, and no, I don't mean self-published. In my case, I have trouble remembering what I wrote even at the beginning of the book, let alone trying to keep an entire codex in my head.

You guys expect an inhuman task from these writers. They don't have all day to discuss every little detail, and to debate with other writers on forums, and to spend all their free time on it. They have others things to write, things to think about, basic editing to take care of.

But, I know you all don't care about that. Instead, just continue with how awful this book is, and how deserving this guy is of getting ridiculously berated, by all means. Don't let me spoil your fun.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. 

[Yuoaman]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

No, I don't think that fans have to just enjoy everything that people release. But getting to the point where you're review bombing some dude's book? I know you guys don't think it, but even in books that you think are crap, someone has poured their heart and soul into it. And yet you all take no issue in tearing them apart, merely to express your fervent anger at details being wrong, or the quality not being what you prefer. Gamers have become the most entitled, critical fanbase I've ever seen, and they get worse by the day. It's no longer possible just to sit back and enjoy something, instead becoming necessary to pick apart every single negative detail in a book.

Honestly, you have no idea how easy it is to forget world basics when writing. Writers tend to focus on the emotional beats they want to hit first, and the specific details last. I write myself, and my brother has two published books himself, and no, I don't mean self-published. In my case, I have trouble remembering what I wrote even at the beginning of the book, let alone trying to keep an entire codex in my head.

You guys expect an inhuman task from these writers. They don't have all day to discuss every little detail, and to debate with other writers on forums, and to spend all their free time on it. They have others things to write, things to think about, basic editing to take care of.

But, I know you all don't care about that. Instead, just continue with how awful this book is, and how deserving this guy is of getting ridiculously berated, by all means. Don't let me spoil your fun.

This guy DID ****ING NOT poor his heart and soul into this book - he was given money and told to produce something by a set date.

You just proved that you are just full of crap, and have likely not even read the book, so this will be my last response to you. Have fun judging us for giving a damn.

[error404]

Yuoaman wrote...

SkyJackal wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Speaking of oddities, are Cerberus' marketing attempts and the Hu-Town vendors selling Spectre level gear on the list?

Not to mention, the idea of a completely human populated ghetto on the Citadel is a strange idea in and of itself.

I still lol at the name of that place. Might've well have been called Earthsville. Tho I suppose its better than "red ward" and "blue ward".

Guys, come one. Hu-Town is a real place and it's tragic. It's just as real as the other ghettos: As-Town, Sal-Town, Tu-Town, and Kro-Town.

Omg, Ku-Town, I loled. And don't forget about the Re-Town where the rejected Reapers, that no other Reapers want to wipe species with, live.

[Balmung31]

AVPen wrote...

Quick lore question, but was Kaidan also part of the "Biotic Acclimation and Temperance Training" program like Hendel was?

If he was, did he ever mention anything about the program also being designed to alienate the program students from their families?

Cause that's what Deception claims, at least.... 

Sure to be ninja'd, but YES.  Yes he does.

[ddv.rsa]

makenzieshepard wrote...

And he still hasn't read the thread, the book or the google docs. Talk about someone who doesn't have an idea.

Who are you talking about and how do you know if he's read it?

[Icinix]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

No, I don't think that fans have to just enjoy everything that people release. But getting to the point where you're review bombing some dude's book? I know you guys don't think it, but even in books that you think are crap, someone has poured their heart and soul into it. And yet you all take no issue in tearing them apart, merely to express your fervent anger at details being wrong, or the quality not being what you prefer. Gamers have become the most entitled, critical fanbase I've ever seen, and they get worse by the day. It's no longer possible just to sit back and enjoy something, instead becoming necessary to pick apart every single negative detail in a book.

Honestly, you have no idea how easy it is to forget world basics when writing. Writers tend to focus on the emotional beats they want to hit first, and the specific details last. I write myself, and my brother has two published books himself, and no, I don't mean self-published. In my case, I have trouble remembering what I wrote even at the beginning of the book, let alone trying to keep an entire codex in my head.

You guys expect an inhuman task from these writers. They don't have all day to discuss every little detail, and to debate with other writers on forums, and to spend all their free time on it. They have others things to write, things to think about, basic editing to take care of.

But, I know you all don't care about that. Instead, just continue with how awful this book is, and how deserving this guy is of getting ridiculously berated, by all means. Don't let me spoil your fun.

You haven't read the book have you?

There is no focus on emotional beats, there is no focus on specific details.

This is a paid writer, someone who sells a product to a fan base.

If I buy a phone, or get plumbing done on my house, or buy grocieries - and I am not happy with what I've paid for - you're damn right I'll make it known that something is not right.

I will tell people not to buy the phone, I will tell people not to use that plumber, I'll tell people not to shop at that grocery store.

Modifié par Icinix, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[Yuoaman]

AVPen wrote...

Quick lore question, but was Kaidan also part of the "Biotic Acclimation and Temperance Training" program like Hendel was?

If he was, did he ever mention anything about the program also being designed to alienate the program students from their families?

Cause that's what Deception claims, at least.... 

Yep, Kaidan was in it - he called it Brain Camp or some such. I think that Hendel was just alienated because his parents were afraid of his abilities - not because the program fostered it...

[didymos1120]

AVPen wrote...

Quick lore question, but was Kaidan also part of the "Biotic Acclimation and Temperance Training" program like Hendel was?

If he was, did he ever mention anything about the program also being designed to alienate the program students from their families?

Cause that's what Deception claims, at least.... 

That's accurate:

Kahlee assumed his parents still lived there, though they were no longer a part of his life. Her dysfunctional relationship with Grissom was nothing compared to Hendel and his family. He hadn’t spoken to them in over twenty years; not since they’d abandoned him to the Biotic Acclimation and Training program when he was a teenager. The BAaT program, in contrast to the openness the Ascension Project enjoyed at the Grissom Academy, had taken place in a top-secret military facility before it was shut down as a dismal failure. The minds behind the program had wanted the BAaT instructors to act without interference from the families, so they had made every effort to convince the parents that biotics were dangerous. They tried to make them feel ashamed and even afraid of their own children, hoping to drive a wedge between the students and their families. In Hendel’s case they had done a wonderful job.

It also demonstrates the way Dietz seems to have gone through Drew's books to find stuff he could just paste in with a bit of rewriting.

Modifié par didymos1120, 31 janvier 2012 - 11:21 .

[NPH11]

Added the HMBA amps to the list of oddities. I suppose it is possible that a vendor could get a hold of them, but it seems incredibly unlikely.

I feel so special now for helping.