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[Heimdall]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

To get back on a more positive note, I present to you Judge Dredd confronting William Dietz!  (playedbyArmandAssanti)

LLLOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!!

Edit: Actually, I can't believe how accurately this clip describes the book.  Dietz did kill some innocent people. 

It really does...

"You killed innocent people." Gillian, Nick, Hendel... assuming they are innocent, never read the books. Always read the wiki instead.

"The means to an end." A paycheck.

"You started a masscre!" People who have tangible copies are most likely burning them, it's a massacre.

"I caused a revolution!" BSN... the famously Broken Base... is collaborating and agreeing on the utter failure of this novel... brings a tear to my eye...

"YOU BETRAYED THE LORE!" Self-Explanatory.

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!" Don't seem too familiar with that word, do ya Dietz stand-in?

Brilliant

[Iohanna]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If only one of the BioWare writers had made it instead.

Maybe they could have saved it from being one of the worst published books ever.

What absolutely baffles me was how they didn't see it before it got published! I mean, just reading the first few pages is a warning sign to what is to come!

Modifié par Iohanna, 01 février 2012 - 12:18 .

[Quarters Alpha]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Since I just got off work an hour ago, finally got to read some of it. Up to Chapter 3, 46 pages in. *shrugs* Continuity screw-ups aside, enjoying it so far. Not the best book in the world, but not horrible either. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. It's not that I think everyone should love the book, I just think people should be able to express their disappoint better and without as much vitrol(and that doesn't just apply here, that applies everywhere). Sorry I offended everyone. Devil's Advocate and all that. Carry on.

Continuity and screwups aside? That pretty much what this 300 page thread is about. You can love the story all you want, its the continuity and multiple screw ups that has pissed everyone off.

I know, I've looked at the doc and everything before today. My point was just that I am able to enjoy it despite all that. Just gives me more stuff to try and retcon personally. Can be a fun exercise. 

[_symphony]

Continuity and screwups aside, Hendel and Nick deaths are nonsensical and pointless.

[Yuoaman]

_symphony wrote...

Continuity and screwups aside, Hendel and Nick deaths are nonsensical and pointless.

And written with a staggering lack of emotion.

[Ramus Quaritch]

I sincerely hope that Mass Effect: Deception is removed from canon entirely. A book concluding the story-line of the ME books should be written, but with a much more thorough editing and lore-checking process. That is all.

[BentOrgy]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If only one of the BioWare writers had made it instead.
.

Wait, isn't Drew a writer for Bio-

*BIOWARE BRAIN BUSTER BEAM*

Whose Drew again?

[Balmung31]

Yuoaman wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

Okay.  I have a question.  Very serious.  Very specific.  Okay?  Here we go...(deep exhale)









Are there prizes...









...at the bottom...







...of the Happy Bowls?

If there weren't before, there are now.

...

Thank you, kind sir, for easing my torment with this most...brutal of questions...(sniffle)

[izmirtheastarach]

[quote]felipejiraya wrote...

[quote]izmirtheastarach wrote...

*snip

Happy Bowl, everybody.
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What is this I don't even.

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Healthy s**t, innit

[/quote]

Happy Bowl with garlic aioli & BBQ sauce...

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 12:21 .

[Balmung31]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

To get back on a more positive note, I present to you Judge Dredd confronting William Dietz!  (playedbyArmandAssanti)

LLLOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!!

Edit: Actually, I can't believe how accurately this clip describes the book.  Dietz did kill some innocent people. 

It really does...

"You killed innocent people." Gillian, Nick, Hendel... assuming they are innocent, never read the books. Always read the wiki instead.

"The means to an end." A paycheck.

"You started a masscre!" People who have tangible copies are most likely burning them, it's a massacre.

"I caused a revolution!" BSN... the famously Broken Base... is collaborating and agreeing on the utter failure of this novel... brings a tear to my eye...

"YOU BETRAYED THE LORE!" Self-Explanatory.

"LOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!" Don't seem too familiar with that word, do ya Dietz stand-in?

Thanks goes to JoeLaTurkey for spurning the idea.  The way he worded one of his posts just...zapped this scene into my head.

[Ashira Shepard]

Are the black things some kind of bean?

[izmirtheastarach]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Are the black things some kind of bean?

Sure, why not?

[XXIceColdXX]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Since I just got off work an hour ago, finally got to read some of it. Up to Chapter 3, 46 pages in. *shrugs* Continuity screw-ups aside, enjoying it so far. Not the best book in the world, but not horrible either. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. It's not that I think everyone should love the book, I just think people should be able to express their disappoint better and without as much vitrol(and that doesn't just apply here, that applies everywhere). Sorry I offended everyone. Devil's Advocate and all that. Carry on.

Continuity and screwups aside? That pretty much what this 300 page thread is about. You can love the story all you want, its the continuity and multiple screw ups that has pissed everyone off.

I know, I've looked at the doc and everything before today. My point was just that I am able to enjoy it despite all that. Just gives me more stuff to try and retcon personally. Can be a fun exercise. 

Retconning personally doesnt fix how this whole ME universe it going to be affected if this is to be accepted as canon. Have you read the letter from the wiki guys explaining the trouble this book is causing?.

Your also  complaining about how members are expressing their disappointment. I think if any fan is emotionally invested in this series they have a right to be disappointed with this poorly written and more so poorly edited novel.

[didymos1120]

This bit just pissed me off anew:

The first emotion Gillian experienced was a deep and abiding sorrow. She was forever cut off from the only person who hadn’t been paid to care about her.

Yeah, except for that guy standing right next to you who quit his job and repeatedly risked his life in order to protect you, including staying to watch over you on the Idenna, completely cut off from human and galactic society. No one paid him to do that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 février 2012 - 12:36 .

[MasterEcabob]

I'm pretty sure this quote from the last few pages sums up our reaction to Deception:

"Damn. Damn damn damn damn."
"Yeah" Anderson agreed soberly "What a waste."

It's like Dietz was trying to be meta or something.

[Someone With Mass]

Iohanna wrote...

What absolutely baffles me was how they didn't see it before it got published! I mean, just reading the first few pages is a warning sign to what is to come!

You'd think that things like Gillian being 18 years old despite of the fact that the book is taking place before ME3 and Omega being described as a planet would be a dead giveaway.

[Death By Smiley]

Okay, here's the first five pages.

1) Human, volus, turian on a batarian world.
2) Kai Leng is crippled, yet manages to kick a guys ass
3) The same f***ing opening as "The World is Not Enough", widely argued to be the worst Bond movie. (Seriously, watch that opening, you'll agree it matches the book).

And that's the first five pages.

[JamesFaith]

Quarters Alpha wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Since I just got off work an hour ago, finally got to read some of it. Up to Chapter 3, 46 pages in. *shrugs* Continuity screw-ups aside, enjoying it so far. Not the best book in the world, but not horrible either. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. It's not that I think everyone should love the book, I just think people should be able to express their disappoint better and without as much vitrol(and that doesn't just apply here, that applies everywhere). Sorry I offended everyone. Devil's Advocate and all that. Carry on.

Continuity and screwups aside? That pretty much what this 300 page thread is about. You can love the story all you want, its the continuity and multiple screw ups that has pissed everyone off.

I know, I've looked at the doc and everything before today. My point was just that I am able to enjoy it despite all that. Just gives me more stuff to try and retcon personally. Can be a fun exercise. 

Honestly, when you put continuity and screwups aside (very difficult in serie with shared world, where all books should be connected) you should get average action story. Badly written, but its readable...  probably first 100 or so pages. But there is one more problem... Dietz wasn't able to handle his own story and its logical structure (poorly by my opiniom) falling down like card house.  It's going so far that in the end he use technique which my friend, also writter, dismissively calling "bomb in heroes crowd" - simply kill everyone who get too far from his control instead working on him. What is one of,main reasons why he's so hated here now.

Read it whole (I did) and then write here again. Maybe you will be suprised.
 

[XXIceColdXX]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Quarters Alpha wrote...

Since I just got off work an hour ago, finally got to read some of it. Up to Chapter 3, 46 pages in. *shrugs* Continuity screw-ups aside, enjoying it so far. Not the best book in the world, but not horrible either. Guess we'll just agree to disagree. It's not that I think everyone should love the book, I just think people should be able to express their disappoint better and without as much vitrol(and that doesn't just apply here, that applies everywhere). Sorry I offended everyone. Devil's Advocate and all that. Carry on.

Continuity and screwups aside? That pretty much what this 300 page thread is about. You can love the story all you want, its the continuity and multiple screw ups that has pissed everyone off.

I know, I've looked at the doc and everything before today. My point was just that I am able to enjoy it despite all that. Just gives me more stuff to try and retcon personally. Can be a fun exercise. 

Retconning personally doesnt fix how this whole ME universe it going to be affected if this is to be accepted as canon. Have you read the letter from the wiki guys explaining the trouble this book is causing?.

Your also  complaining about how members are expressing their disappointment. I think if any fan is emotionally invested in this series they have a right to be disappointed with this poorly written and more so poorly edited novel. Your coming across as quite a casual fan trying to convince hardcore fans to enjoy this somehow.

[Death By Smiley]

didymos1120 wrote...

This bit just pissed me off anew:

The first emotion Gillian experienced was a deep and abiding sorrow. She was forever cut off from the only person who hadn’t been paid to care about her.

Yeah, except for that guy standing right next to you who quit his job and repeatedly risked his life in order to protect you, including staying to watch over you on the Idenna, completely cut off human and galactic society. No one paid him to do that.

Or maybe...I don't know...her father 3 books ago saving her from the Krogan hunting her.

[Iohanna]

didymos1120 wrote...

This bit just pissed me off anew:

The first emotion Gillian experienced was a deep and abiding sorrow. She was forever cut off from the only person who hadn’t been paid to care about her.

Yeah, except for that guy standing right next to you who quit his job and repeatedly risked his life in order to protect you, including staying to watch over you on the Idenna, completely cut off human and galactic society.

Hell, If Kahlee had been decently written, people could see that that was the case with her too. After all, she was with Hendel all the way. The only thing she didn't do was stay at the Idenna with her, but she risked herself for her sake as well.

Dammit Dietz...

[ZLurps]

Yuoaman wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Continuity and screwups aside, Hendel and Nick deaths are nonsensical and pointless.

And written with a staggering lack of emotion.

I think one things that is very wrong with the book is general lack of emotion and plausible motives for characters.

"Then Gillian killed one thousand innocent Murgos in front of their families. After that she was feeling bad, exhausted, actually she was hungry. "Nick, do you have any cereals left? She asked.
Nick had to move few corpses to get his hands to box of cereals and handed it to Gillian.
"But... it's empty?" Said Gillian disappointly.
Nick pondered the situation for a moment - Must have been Kai Leng
With that they both bursted into laughter and left to eat some ham sandwhiches stepping on dead mutilated corpses on the floor.

Modifié par ZLurps, 01 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

This bit just pissed me off anew:

The first emotion Gillian experienced was a deep and abiding sorrow. She was forever cut off from the only person who hadn’t been paid to care about her.

Yeah, except for that guy standing right next to you who quit his job and repeatedly risked his life in order to protect you, including staying to watch over you on the Idenna, completely cut off human and galactic society. No one paid him to do that.

If I needed proof that Dietz hadn't read more about Ascension than the summary on the back of the book and taken the statistical facts (no wait, they're wrong too) from a Google search, this would have been more than enough.

[Yuoaman]

Death By Smiley wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

This bit just pissed me off anew:

The first emotion Gillian experienced was a deep and abiding sorrow. She was forever cut off from the only person who hadn’t been paid to care about her.

Yeah, except for that guy standing right next to you who quit his job and repeatedly risked his life in order to protect you, including staying to watch over you on the Idenna, completely cut off human and galactic society. No one paid him to do that.

Or maybe...I don't know...her father 3 books ago saving her from the Krogan hunting her.

Well that's who she was sad about.