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[JoeLaTurkey]

I'm back, what have I missed?

[Saiyan1126]

I just found this page after reading the Joytiq article. At first, I just rolled my eyes and dissmissed this outcry as average nerdrage at a couple inconsistencies. I decided to humor it and read the Google docs page, and I couldn't believe how the author could screw so much up. Hell, even most of those "nitpicks" are lore breaking IMO.

I've played both games, played all the DLCs, and read all the comics. I was planning on reading all the books before 3/6 to get my full Mass Effect experience. I have a question for anyone who has read all the books; is there any point in reading them? My free time is limited, but I was planning on taking a hit for Mass Effect. From what I'm seeing now, it looks like these books will be painful to read. Will any of the novel exclusive characters be in ME3? If not, will there be any benefit whatsoever from reading the novels? I'm looking for something at least like what the Redemption comics did for ME2/LotSB.

Modifié par Saiyan1126, 01 février 2012 - 12:12 .

[LadyDrusilla]

The first three are perfectly decent books. Not great literature but entertaining and inoffensive.

[NPH11]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I just found this page after reading the Joytiq article. At first, I just rolled my eyes and dissmissed this outcry as average nerdrage at a couple inconsistencies. I decided to humor it and read the Google docs page, and I couldn't believe how the author could screw so much up. Hell, even most of those "nitpicks" are lore breaking IMO.

I've played both games, played all the DLCs, and read all the comics. I was planning on reading all the books before 3/6 to get my full Mass Effect experience. I have a question for anyone who has read all the books; is there any point in reading them? My free time is limited, but I was planning on taking a hit for Mass Effect. From what I'm seeing now, it looks like these books will be painful to read. Will any of the novel exclusive characters be in ME3? If not, will there be any benefit whatsoever from reading the novels? I'm looking for something at least like what the Redemption comics did for ME2/LotSB.

Read Revelation, Ascension and Retribution. They're fairly good stories worthy of being part of the ME canon. Stay away from Deception.

[bennyjammin79]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

When the "critiques" are as erroneous as the subject matter, it's invalidating and really f*ckin' hilarious. 

[JamesFaith]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I just found this page after reading the Joytiq article. At first, I just rolled my eyes and dissmissed this outcry as average nerdrage at a couple inconsistencies. I decided to humor it and read the Google docs page, and I couldn't believe how the author could screw so much up. Hell, even most of those "nitpicks" are lore breaking IMO.

I've played both games, played all the DLCs, and read all the comics. I was planning on reading all the books before 3/6 to get my full Mass Effect expeience. I have a question for anyone who has read all the books; is there any point in reading them? My free time is limited, but I was planning on taking a hit for Mass Effect. From what I'm seeing now, it looks like these books will be painful to read. Will any of the novel exclusive characters be in ME3? If not, will there be any benefit whatsoever from reading the novels? I'm looking for something at least like what the Redemption comics did for ME2/LotSB.

First three books were written by different autor and co-autor of ME1 and even some people donť like (I personally like them) , it's totally different league then Deception. They are also connected to games:

Revelation - described conflict between Anderson and Saren, which cost Anderson chance be Spectre, and discovery of Sovereign
Ascencion - described between other things Cerberus attack on Fleet mentioned in ME2
Retribution - introducing one of main antagonist in ME3, assassin Kai Leng

Deception - breaking lore, ignoring many info from previous book a nd make Kai Leng funny figure. It also practically no connected to ME3.

[J4N3_M3]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

When the "critiques" are as erroneous as the subject matter, it's invalidating and really f*ckin' hilarious. 

good thing I have no problem with admitting when I got something wrong. Good thing, too, that others I have talked to had the same problem making the connection between the stylus and the pistol, so at least I know it's not me being simply stupid but in fact a matter of bad writing. 

but go ahead, keep making fun of me, I guess everyone needs something to laugh at I guess. 

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 01 février 2012 - 12:22 .

[ddv.rsa]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

I just found this page after reading the Joytiq article. At first, I just rolled my eyes and dissmissed this outcry as average nerdrage at a couple inconsistencies. I decided to humor it and read the Google docs page, and I couldn't believe how the author could screw so much up. Hell, even most of those "nitpicks" are lore breaking IMO.

I've played both games, played all the DLCs, and read all the comics. I was planning on reading all the books before 3/6 to get my full Mass Effect experience. I have a question for anyone who has read all the books; is there any point in reading them? My free time is limited, but I was planning on taking a hit for Mass Effect. From what I'm seeing now, it looks like these books will be painful to read. Will any of the novel exclusive characters be in ME3? If not, will there be any benefit whatsoever from reading the novels? I'm looking for something at least like what the Redemption comics did for ME2/LotSB.

Do you have a link to the article you read?

[ElitePinecone]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I'm back, what have I missed?

日本語の翻訳！

http://doope.jp/2012/0221330.html 

[ddv.rsa]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

good thing I have no problem with admitting when I got something wrong. Good thing, too, that others I have talked to had the same problem making the connection between the stylus and the pistol, so at least I know it's not me being simply stupid but in fact a matter of bad writing. 

It's easy to miss the connection if you aren't really paying attention. And considering Deception isn't exactly the most captivating reading material...

[OrbitalWings]

Reposting because sadly none of the news sites have mentioned this particular issue with the book...

That Guy Raffy wrote...
As someone with a sister who is severely Autistic, I'm really hurt that a writer would make a character say some snot like, "Oh, I grew out of it." No. You don't grow out of Autism. It's a disorder that nobody grows out of. Ever. After 20 years of living with her, growing up with her, feeding her, and partially raising her myself alongside my parents she hasn't improved at all. She still has the mentality of a 1 year old, the vocabulary of someone younger than that, and the social skills worse than a 2 year old's. Sure, some people might grow out of other disorders like "Social Anxiety" or "ADHD" but Autism is incurable. If Autism isn't curable by 218X, you darn well can't "grow out of it."

Maybe this was all a bit unfair for me to say because my sister wouldn't be able to understand this conversation, much less cry about it because of her Autism... Actually it might be fair; because if she was able to "grow out" of her Autistic phase in 3 years, she would've already been talking to me about how hurt she would be about a science fiction book.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 01 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[J4N3_M3]

ddv.rsa wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

good thing I have no problem with admitting when I got something wrong. Good thing, too, that others I have talked to had the same problem making the connection between the stylus and the pistol, so at least I know it's not me being simply stupid but in fact a matter of bad writing. 

It's easy to miss the connection if you aren't really paying attention. And considering Deception isn't exactly the most captivating reading material...

Yeah, I guess I'll just blame it on that from now on 

[NPH11]

Well, I'm gonna call it a night (or morning, as it is here).

Hopefully I won't come back to fifty new pages.

[Centauri2002]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Reposting because sadly none of the news sites have mentioned this particular issue with the book...

That Guy Raffy wrote...
As someone with a sister who is severely Autistic, I'm really hurt that a writer would make a character say some snot like, "Oh, I grew out of it." No. You don't grow out of Autism. It's a disorder that nobody grows out of. Ever. After 20 years of living with her, growing up with her, feeding her, and partially raising her myself alongside my parents she hasn't improved at all. She still has the mentality of a 1 year old, the vocabulary of someone younger than that, and the social skills worse than a 2 year old's. Sure, some people might grow out of other disorders like "Social Anxiety" or "ADHD" but Autism is incurable. If Autism isn't curable by 218X, you darn well can't "grow out of it."

Maybe this was all a bit unfair for me to say because my sister wouldn't be able to understand this conversation, much less cry about it because of her Autism... Actually it might be fair; because if she was able to "grow out" of her Autistic phase in 3 years, she would've already been talking to me about how hurt she would be about a science fiction book.

Yes, this particular issue is mentioned a lot but is just skimmed over. It's probably one of the worst mistakes made in the book. Heck, I can't even put it down to a mistake as it seems quite deliberate. I'm not sure if it's ignorance that led to the decision to include this or just lack of care for the characters and the readership. Either way, it's unacceptable.

[bennyjammin79]

*Removed because I really have nothing nice to say.<_<*

Modifié par bennyjammin79, 01 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

How many more articles need to go into the OP?

[Saiyan1126]

JamesFaith wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Snip

First three books were written by different autor and co-autor of ME1 and even some people donť like (I personally like them) , it's totally different league then Deception. They are also connected to games:

Revelation - described conflict between Anderson and Saren, which cost Anderson chance be Spectre, and discovery of Sovereign
Ascencion - described between other things Cerberus attack on Fleet mentioned in ME2
Retribution - introducing one of main antagonist in ME3, assassin Kai Leng

Deception - breaking lore, ignoring many info from previous book a nd make Kai Leng funny figure. It also practically no connected to ME3.

Ah ok, that makes sense. It bugged me in ME2 how no one actually said what happened between Cerberus and the Quarians.

Will the novel saga feel unfinished if I don't read Deception? I guess my biggest worry is that, and connection between Retribution, Deception, and ME3. If this Kai is in all 3 (R,D,ME3), will I feel like I'm missing something important in ME3 if I skip Deception?

Modifié par Saiyan1126, 01 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Saiyan1126]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

*Snip*

Do you have a link to the article you read?

Here it is: http://www.joystiq.c...s-effect-novel/

[LPPrince]

centauri2002 wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Reposting because sadly none of the news sites have mentioned this particular issue with the book...

That Guy Raffy wrote...
As someone with a sister who is severely Autistic, I'm really hurt that a writer would make a character say some snot like, "Oh, I grew out of it." No. You don't grow out of Autism. It's a disorder that nobody grows out of. Ever. After 20 years of living with her, growing up with her, feeding her, and partially raising her myself alongside my parents she hasn't improved at all. She still has the mentality of a 1 year old, the vocabulary of someone younger than that, and the social skills worse than a 2 year old's. Sure, some people might grow out of other disorders like "Social Anxiety" or "ADHD" but Autism is incurable. If Autism isn't curable by 218X, you darn well can't "grow out of it."

Maybe this was all a bit unfair for me to say because my sister wouldn't be able to understand this conversation, much less cry about it because of her Autism... Actually it might be fair; because if she was able to "grow out" of her Autistic phase in 3 years, she would've already been talking to me about how hurt she would be about a science fiction book.

Yes, this particular issue is mentioned a lot but is just skimmed over. It's probably one of the worst mistakes made in the book. Heck, I can't even put it down to a mistake as it seems quite deliberate. I'm not sure if it's ignorance that led to the decision to include this or just lack of care for the characters and the readership. Either way, it's unacceptable.

Unfortunately, Raf's post is probably destined to be overlooked.

[ElitePinecone]

jreezy wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I'm back, what have I missed?

日本語の翻訳！

http://doope.jp/2012/0221330.html 

Time to try and understand what that says.

Google Translate helped. It's just a brief outline of the issue (the new author, etc) and a list of some of the errors in the document. Nothing new there at all, but it's interesting that other media is covering it. 

The transliteration of krogan as 'kurogan' in Japanese is kinda funny  

Doesn't ME also have a huge following in Russia? Russian websites first covered the leaked beta information, I'm sure,

[ElitePinecone]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Snip

First three books were written by different autor and co-autor of ME1 and even some people donť like (I personally like them) , it's totally different league then Deception. They are also connected to games:

Revelation - described conflict between Anderson and Saren, which cost Anderson chance be Spectre, and discovery of Sovereign
Ascencion - described between other things Cerberus attack on Fleet mentioned in ME2
Retribution - introducing one of main antagonist in ME3, assassin Kai Leng

Deception - breaking lore, ignoring many info from previous book a nd make Kai Leng funny figure. It also practically no connected to ME3.

Ah ok, that makes sense. it bugged me in ME2 how noone actually said what happened between Cerberus and the Quarians.

Will the novel saga feel unfinished if I don't read Deception? I guess my biggest worry is that, and connection between Retribution, Deception, and ME3.  If this Kai is in all 3  (R,D,ME3), will I feel like I'm missing something important in ME3 if I skip Deception?

The novel series will feel 'unfinished', but the way Deception 'finished it' was so artificial and maddening that I'd prefer it if I'd never read the ending. 

You're better off finishing with Retribution and pretending Deception never happens. You'll be happier with the character stories and arcs that way. 

They're definitely worth reading, they give great insights into the wider universe of ME and some specific information about Cerberus, Kai Leng and indoctrination that you probably would never get through the games. 

Regarding ME3, reading the books would make some of the locations in the game more familiar (Grissom Academy, for example) and one or two of the characters do make an appearance. 

That said, Deception has no links to ME3. It adds little if anything to the wider story of the universe. If you want to understand ME3 more, reading Revelations, Ascension and Retribution is sufficient.

[J4N3_M3]

LPPrince wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Reposting because sadly none of the news sites have mentioned this particular issue with the book...

That Guy Raffy wrote...
As someone with a sister who is severely Autistic, I'm really hurt that a writer would make a character say some snot like, "Oh, I grew out of it." No. You don't grow out of Autism. It's a disorder that nobody grows out of. Ever. After 20 years of living with her, growing up with her, feeding her, and partially raising her myself alongside my parents she hasn't improved at all. She still has the mentality of a 1 year old, the vocabulary of someone younger than that, and the social skills worse than a 2 year old's. Sure, some people might grow out of other disorders like "Social Anxiety" or "ADHD" but Autism is incurable. If Autism isn't curable by 218X, you darn well can't "grow out of it."

Maybe this was all a bit unfair for me to say because my sister wouldn't be able to understand this conversation, much less cry about it because of her Autism... Actually it might be fair; because if she was able to "grow out" of her Autistic phase in 3 years, she would've already been talking to me about how hurt she would be about a science fiction book.

Yes, this particular issue is mentioned a lot but is just skimmed over. It's probably one of the worst mistakes made in the book. Heck, I can't even put it down to a mistake as it seems quite deliberate. I'm not sure if it's ignorance that led to the decision to include this or just lack of care for the characters and the readership. Either way, it's unacceptable.

Unfortunately, Raf's post is probably destined to be overlooked.

which i find sad. 

To me it feels as if the writer didn't want to have to deal with an autistic character. then again, I must dig up the part in the previous novels where it's mentioned that Cerberus' experiments made Gilian's condition worse though I think I remember her being autistic from the start yet with worse symptoms during Cerberus' experiments than after she got out of their reach. 

[ddv.rsa]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

How many more articles need to go into the OP?

We've got something from Joystiq and a Japanese language article. There's also a YouTube video.

IMO the insensitive treatment of autism also needs a special mention. It's just not on.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 01 février 2012 - 12:44 .