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[J4N3_M3]

Hellbound555 wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

What is this monorail Dietz speaks of, that looms overhead in the wards of the Citadel?

didnt u hear? the citadel council build an amusement ride to offset the costs of rebuilding.

if it's supposed to be that express travel thing we had in ME1, the name of which escapes me right now, wasn't that destroyed during Sovereign's attack and replaced by those Rapid Transit shuttles in ME2? 

[Haasth]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Well I managed to get to Chapter 10... Not sure why, honestly.

It's really generic for the most part. Characters are uninteresting and really rely on previous lore established about them to make them even remotely interesting. 

It relies so much on the Mass Effect universe to make it even a little entertaining and even then it's mostly a glorified wiki page that makes grave mistakes (To the point where it ignores all the novels before Deception at times) every page or so. 

Funny you say that, the ME Wiki folks don't want to touch it with a 20ft pole.

Haha, I understand that. What I meant is that most of the times when Dietz describes something - which is quite often - it feels just like the wiki entries I read a mere couple of days ago. Right up until he makes an obvious lore mistake. 

[CashGrab]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Not if we keep bringing it up. He made an excellent point which further brought to light the trash that is Mass Effect: Deception.

I'd have Jeff put it in the OP.

That is a good idea. Bioware can ignore 'nerd rage' all they want, but they simply cannot ignore being called out for the way they've handled autism.

Erm, what exactly are you guys expecting to happen with this? Do you want people to insult Dietz or sue him or have him arrested or something? Not sure what the objective is here. 

Also ihow is Bioware suddenly the ones behind this? Unless Dietz is 'they' which is obviously not what you meant

 A declaration of non-canonicity, an apology based on the autism issue and possibly an affirmation not to use dietz again.

[LPPrince]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Well I managed to get to Chapter 10... Not sure why, honestly.

It's really generic for the most part. Characters are uninteresting and really rely on previous lore established about them to make them even remotely interesting. 

It relies so much on the Mass Effect universe to make it even a little entertaining and even then it's mostly a glorified wiki page that makes grave mistakes (To the point where it ignores all the novels before Deception at times) every page or so. 

Funny you say that, the ME Wiki folks don't want to touch it with a 20ft pole.

Can you blame them? Honestly.

[Homebound]

and if you really wanna hammer in the fact that they've made a terrible mistake, dont buy the book.

[hotdogbsg]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

Chalk me up as someone who's severely disappointed in the gaming journo sites not even mentioning the Gillian or Hendel issues.

I can take or leave a lot of the lore errors, but those two are the ones that need to be called out specifically.

Maybe we should ask BW to comment on these two issues specifically. 

There are many glaring issues that BW needs to acknowledge but the handling of Hendel and Gillian borders on extremely offensive.

Modifié par hotdogbsg, 01 février 2012 - 01:08 .

[Saiyan1126]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

What is this monorail Dietz speaks of, that looms overhead in the wards of the Citadel?

didnt u hear? the citadel council build an amusement ride to offset the costs of rebuilding.

if it's supposed to be that express travel thing we had in ME1, the name of which escapes me right now, wasn't that destroyed during Sovereign's attack and replaced by those Rapid Transit shuttles in ME2? 

Weren't they the same thing? I think the only difference was in ME1 they only showed the shuttle by the Human embassy.

[LPPrince]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Not if we keep bringing it up. He made an excellent point which further brought to light the trash that is Mass Effect: Deception.

I'd have Jeff put it in the OP.

That is a good idea. Bioware can ignore 'nerd rage' all they want, but they simply cannot ignore being called out for the way they've handled autism.

Erm, what exactly are you guys expecting to happen with this? Do you want people to insult Dietz or sue him or have him arrested or something? Not sure what the objective is here. 

Also ihow is Bioware suddenly the ones behind this? Unless Dietz is 'they' which is obviously not what you meant

As I've been trying to get everyone behind(and its worked), we want the novel stricken from the lore-

Disavowed.

Anything else is extra, but thats what we need. Especially since its disavowment would benefit the ME franchise's lore.

[OrbitalWings]

I thought the rapid transit shuttles are what we had in ME1 too - you travel around by accessing a terminal next to one of the skycars.

It's all here - masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/X3M

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 01 février 2012 - 01:09 .

[LPPrince]

Hellbound555 wrote...

and if you really wanna hammer in the fact that they've made a terrible mistake, dont buy the book.

And there's a ton of us not purchasing this crap.

[CaptainZaysh]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Hahaha. A complete opposite opinion from ElitePinecone. Now I'm conflicted again

I think basically the problem is that they're video game novels.  Here's the truth about them: they're sh*t.  They really are rotten, sh*tty books and if they didn't have Mass Effect written on the front of them then nobody would have bought them.  The problems with them are the same as the problems with Deception - confused storyline, zero stakes, no main character, unedited writing style - minus the lore errors.

This is, I think, what happens when you release a tie-in novel against a short deadline without any real commercial pressures to make it a good well-written story because the words Mass Effect on the front mean it will sell anyway.

So I mean if you're okay with reading what is a bad book because it's related to Mass Effect then you should go for it!  I did!  Just don't expect them to be an enjoyable read if you are the kind of person who is used to books that had to fight to get published.  These ones got a free ride and it shows; they are simply not written to the same levels of quality as anything else on the science fiction shelf except for the other lame tie-ins.

This is, I guess, what I think would be the best outcome this whole fanrage about Deception could achieve.  I'd like to see a statement from BioWare that went something along the lines of: okay, we hear you, and we agree with some of the criticisms.  It's not Dietz's fault, it's not the editing team's fault, it's just the way the whole industry has produced tie-in novels in the past is not the same way authors normally produce novels and that's what leads to the difference in writing quality.  So for the next tie-in we do, we're going to allow two years and embed the novelist with the dev team, and we're going to write the first good tie-in novel ever.  That's what I'd like to see come out of this.

[mineralica]

ElitePinecone wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I'm back, what have I missed?

日本語の翻訳！

http://doope.jp/2012/0221330.html 

Time to try and understand what that says.

Google Translate helped. It's just a brief outline of the issue (the new author, etc) and a list of some of the errors in the document. Nothing new there at all, but it's interesting that other media is covering it. 

The transliteration of krogan as 'kurogan' in Japanese is kinda funny  

Doesn't ME also have a huge following in Russia? Russian websites first covered the leaked beta information, I'm sure,

bioware.ru seems to be rather questionable about excerpt but generally awaiting for full version awailable in Russian.

[OniRogue]

I really have to thank you guys for all the work you put in this thread! (Even though reading 300+ pages did take quite some time^^)

I am, like many of you are huge fan of the whole ME franchise and enjoyed the work of Drew Karpyshyn since I played KotOR. Then I found out that he is the Lead Writer on a new BioWare Game, planned to be a different kind of SciFi Trilogy, and was instantly hooked.

I loved playing through ME 1 and 2, exploring this new universe and shaping the Story of MY Shephard. As soon as I found out that Drew himself would be writing a Novel to enrich the Universe I started ordering every book the day they were released because I did not want to wait for the german translation.

Then I noticed that the Author changed. Ok Drew probably had the storyline planned out and a new Author would simply piece this together; how bad could it be?
Then I saw the Articles on Eurogamer and Kotaku; then I read a few pages of the Google Version.

Then I landed here just to thank you again. As much as I love the ME Franchise, I will not support this particular book. The Stories of the Characters I enjoyed over now the course of 3 books reduced to Cereal munching territorial markings and Gillian growing out of her Autism?
A Story set many years in the future and the best one can do to "rid" a character of Autism is to let them grow out of it?

Modifié par OniRogue, 01 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[Arcadian Legend]

LPPrince wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

and if you really wanna hammer in the fact that they've made a terrible mistake, dont buy the book.

And there's a ton of us not purchasing this crap.

And then there are those who are buying it for the irony/lolz. Any plausible way we could somehow put this up into EQD? The potential force we could tap into for this would be massive.

[ElitePinecone]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
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I thought the Ambassador Goyle and her Council sparring in Revelations was well-written.

Then again, interstellar power politics and diplomacy has never, ever been the strength of the Mass Effect universe. In fact, it's barely really mentioned. ME3 tries to do interesting things in that area but it mainly relies on conflicts we've known about for three games. Dragon Age, say, manages to fit more intrigue in even if it's in turn eclipsed by the George Martin school of ruthless quasi-fantasy. 

I agree that it'd be nice to see some heavy political drama in some of the IP, but while the games remain so dependant on the pew pew, it's a bit unrealistic to expect the authors to introduce gripping debates and speeches about alliances and power shifts rather than having shootouts. 

[LPPrince]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

and if you really wanna hammer in the fact that they've made a terrible mistake, dont buy the book.

And there's a ton of us not purchasing this crap.

And then there are those who are buying it for the irony/lolz. Any plausible way we could somehow put this up into EQD? The potential force we could tap into for this would be massive.

No. It has no reason to be on EQD whatsoever as it has no involvement with the entire point of the site.

[J4N3_M3]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

I thought the rapid transit shuttles are what we had in ME1 too - you travel around by accessing a terminal next to one of the skycars.

It's all here - masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/X3M

then this monorail makes no sense. there is no monorail on the citadel, which was my point to begin with. 

but where do i remember a train-travel thingy from? jeez....what game is messing wtih my head here? i thought we had one in ME1 but if that was the shuttles, what am I remembering? I must play less games, srsly. 

[ElitePinecone]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

So I mean if you're okay with reading what is a bad book because it's related to Mass Effect then you should go for it!  I did!  Just don't expect them to be an enjoyable read if you are the kind of person who is used to books that had to fight to get published.  These ones got a free ride and it shows; they are simply not written to the same levels of quality as anything else on the science fiction shelf except for the other lame tie-ins.

This is, I guess, what I think would be the best outcome this whole fanrage about Deception could achieve.  I'd like to see a statement from BioWare that went something along the lines of: okay, we hear you, and we agree with some of the criticisms.  It's not Dietz's fault, it's not the editing team's fault, it's just the way the whole industry has produced tie-in novels in the past is not the same way authors normally produce novels and that's what leads to the difference in writing quality.  So for the next tie-in we do, we're going to allow two years and embed the novelist with the dev team, and we're going to write the first good tie-in novel ever.  That's what I'd like to see come out of this.

I agree with this to an extent. The previous ME books weren't epics of literature. They were, though, servicable and competently-researched additions to the wider IP. 

I think they're worth reading for that alone, and not on their literary merits. They're fluff, sure, but fluff that takes place in one of my favourite fictional universes. I'm willing to overlook a certain level of disjointedness in the writing if it tells a reasonablty interesting story. 

[OrbitalWings]

J4N3_M3 wrote...
then this monorail makes no sense. there is no monorail on the citadel, which was my point to begin with. 

but where do i remember a train-travel thingy from? jeez....what game is messing wtih my head here? i thought we had one in ME1 but if that was the shuttles, what am I remembering? I must play less games, srsly. 

There's a tram/monorail/thingamabob on Eden Prime - that could be what you're thinking of.

[felipejiraya]

I've woken up and the book still sucks.

[Homebound]

u know, if they changed this to not be about mass effect, it would stand a better chance.

[ElitePinecone]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Somebody thought the story would be easier, or cooler, if the protagonist was a badass but generic eighteen year old girl armed with killer biotics and vengeance against the Illusive Man

So she's just a young Jack minus the emotional scars?

That's a comparison you could make, sure. 

She even rejects the only parental figures in her life to run away, get illegal surgery and go on a ridiculously naive path of vengeance. 

If the theme of Deception was that "teenagers are headstrong and idiotic, while adults are incompetent and sex-crazy", I think it succeeded. Anderson and Kahlee are bumbling and powerless, arriving late to every battle, messing up all their investigations and managing to fit more sex into the book than I thought was humanly possible. 

[CaptainZaysh]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I thought the Ambassador Goyle and her Council sparring in Revelations was well-written.

I didn't like it.  The whole scene felt to me like I was reading about a junior debating team.  Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

ElitePinecone wrote...

I agree that it'd be nice to see some heavy political drama in some of the IP, but while the games remain so dependant on the pew pew, it's a bit unrealistic to expect the authors to introduce gripping debates and speeches about alliances and power shifts rather than having shootouts. 

Then at least the shootouts should be tense and exciting.  But they're really not.