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[ElitePinecone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
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I was relatively fine with the human polling.

I mean, it's not like  terrorist organisations have marketing departments, but whatever, I'll let it slide. I can even hand-wave it and say maybe TIM was referring to polling about Terra Firma, or any one of Cerberus' front organisations. Because asking people what they think about a self-identified terrorist group seems like a really odd thing, no? 

But asking aliens if they approve of a listed terrorist organisation, pro-human and anti-alien, whose sole aim is to replace them in positions of power and ensure they hold no sway in galactic politics?

It's absurd. 

[Saiyan1126]

Anyone who has read Deception, should add to the 1 star fest on Amazon. I thought it was funny that the only person to give it a positive (5 stars) review, is infamous for writing fake reviews (http://en.wikipedia....arriet_Klausner).

[CDRSkyShepard]

"Mild form of high-functioning autism" is redundant, I'd like to point out...

[izmirtheastarach]

LPPrince wrote...

My point is that 1 and 2 are insulting to readers.

3 and 4 are similar to each other as they insult no one, but 3 is worse because it happened in different stories with NO explanation, while 4 happened in the same story WITH an explanation.

And of coure the most glaring difference is that Shepard is a the player character.....in a video games. Wheras Ugho is no one. You could have fixed that error with a search and replace. 

[nitefyre410]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...


The discussion on this thread is that Deception ignores many things about the lore of ME and about well realism, the autism thing being one of the biggest issues.

The reason why I bring up Shepard's death is that it shouldn't be forgotten that the ME writing team pulled even bigger BS then what Deception does in the entire novel.

So...the comparison is between a decision that the ME writing team made in the games that you disagree with, and a book full of problems, written by an author with no connection to the ME team at all? I'm not sure why that's relevant. Especially when it seems quite clear that that vast majority of ME fans were perfectly fine with how Shepard's death was handled. You aren't, but that's just your own personal opinion.

Either way, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of fans are not okay with how this book handles it's settings and characters. The only thing you prove by arguing the facts is that you have lower standards then the rest of us.

 

its beyond just  us fan having an issue with it.  Who the hell at a Bioware let this mess slip through  in bring just a sense a professional  pride in question. I know if I was  Hudson and  this guy did this to my baby like, the hounds of hell would be unleashed.  

We know Casey cares  the for Mass Effect and anything that has its name on it because  of this fairly or unfairly it reflects backs on him and that team.  Also just looking it was not just few mistakes that any would could make that  we're say new to the lore. Its like the author just said " Oh well thats nice but **** that...I'm do this why because  I can and this just a crappy game novel and no one cares."  Um professional  respect  and courtesy have  this guy have heard of it. 

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Anyone who has read Deception, should add to the 1 star fest on Amazon. I thought it was funny that the only person to give it a positive (5 stars) review, is infamous for writing fake reviews (http://en.wikipedia....arriet_Klausner).

 


Do I even want to read this book  to help in the review campaign becasue from what I have seen. I don't think I could make it through 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[ElitePinecone]

JamesFaith wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I do admit that I would have wanted for Cerberus to capture Gillian, and for her to join them or something. The whole age and autism thing is done very very poorly but I do like her as a character in the novel, besides the whole rage issue.

She's smart, powerful and manipulative.

When you said smart, did you thing the same girl, who thought, that paranoic leader of terrosist organization will come alone on Omega to personally pay ransom? 

Bingo. Gillian is horrendously naive. She and half the cast of Deception got handed the Idiot Ball, apparently. 

[MissOuJ]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

However, ignoring the laws that govern our very universe to bring Shepard back...well that's insulting to my intelligence.

You. Are. Reading. Science. Fiction. Literature.

Different. Rules. Apply.

Or then we should start applying the "rules that govern our very universe" into, say, eezo, or biotics, or FTL travel. These are pretty much functional magic, explained by pretty cool and well researched technobabble, but it doesn't really change what it is in the end.

So, ignoring science in a fictional universe to revive the main character or your franchise = not really a problem for me. and they made it look pretty cool.

However, ignoring sciense to make a previously autistic character neurotypical = MAJOR. Unfortunate. Implications. Also, disability-erasure, which is always very s****y thing to do.

And don't even get me started about Hendel.

[Zhuinden]

Guys, I need a book with at least decent but preferably superb writing: Deception has officially infiltrated by daily language usage, and it's rather bothersome.


Though this request would be offtopic - so you might as well consider it void - but at least I can guarantee that it truly does not do much good for anyone.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 01 février 2012 - 04:49 .

[LPPrince]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

My point is that 1 and 2 are insulting to readers.

3 and 4 are similar to each other as they insult no one, but 3 is worse because it happened in different stories with NO explanation, while 4 happened in the same story WITH an explanation.

And of coure the most glaring difference is that Shepard is a the player character.....in a video games. Wheras Ugho is no one. You could have fixed that error with a search and replace. 

People just need to see the other side of their argument.

Cause we just blew a massive hole through it.

[izmirtheastarach]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Anyone who has read Deception, should add to the 1 star fest on Amazon. I thought it was funny that the only person to give it a positive (5 stars) review, is infamous for writing fake reviews (http://en.wikipedia....arriet_Klausner).

Yeah, Klausner's review is fun. "former Council Director Kahlee Sanders".

Former what now?

The blog that follows her silly reviews seemed to indicate that she will eventually delete the review, because it negatively impact's her review rating.

The reviewer ranked 87th on Amazon also reviewed it for 4 stars. But I was constantly plugging that Amazon page after I kicked off the attack, and he got so many thumbs down that he already pulled his.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 04:52 .

[Doctalen]

Zhuinden wrote...

Guys, I need a book with at least decent but preferably superb writing: Deception has officially infiltrated by daily language usage, and it's rather bothersome.


Though this request would be offtopic - so you might as well consider it void - but at least I can guarantee that it truly does not do much good for anyone.

I am reading this good sci-fi book called Old man's war. I'm not a book critic but I really do enjoy it and it has two sequels. 

[brynne]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Yes it is.

Because bringing your main character back from death is in no way insulting.

Not insulting? At least with Gillian we know, from Ascension, that Sanders believed the Cerberus drugs where causing it. She wasn't entirely sure, but it's not completely unreasonable. Yes it's still BS and it does ignore that autism is a severe issue, but at least they tried to explain it even if it came of in the "It's magic" area.

However, ignoring the laws that govern our very universe to bring Shepard back...well that's insulting to my intelligence.

They didn't try to explain it; Dietz handwaded it by calling her autism 'anger issues' and said she got over it. He degraded a real world condition that affects many real world, living people to something you get over with age.

It's offensive to actual living people who have to live with autism their entire lives because they sure as hell don't and can't just get over it and handwaving Gillian's autism away for no reason whatsoever just because writing autistic people is hard is beyond the pale.

I'm sorry you feel Shepard's resurrection is a worse issue than what was done to both Gillian and Hendel. I just can't agree with it. 

[izmirtheastarach]

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

[Costin_Razvan]

AresXX7 wrote...

Good to see the thread is still alive & well.
I still see some people are suggesting Gillian's autism could have been caused by the drugs from Cerberus.

Here's an excerpt from page 41 of Ascension:

 Even among the remarkable children of the Ascension Project, Gillian was special. At age three she was diagnosed with a mild form of high-functioning autism; it had almost caused the board to reject her application to the Academy.

If this has been posted before, just think of it as friendly reminder.


BTW, Deception still sucks.

Ok. So the drugs didn't cause it, but they could have greatly worsened it.

There are people with autism who have lived relatively normal lives despite their condition. Yes there are the mild casses, but what is the argument that with the removal of the Cerberus Drugs Grayson's condition couldn't have been greatly improved.

 
I'm sorry you feel Shepard's resurrection is a worse issue than what was done to both Gillian and Hendel. I just can't agree with it.  

The difference is that her condition is explained in a previous book. Yes the author handwaves it, but at least in the ME unvierse there is a reasonable explanation to why she got better. I am not saying it's not bull****.There is none for Shepard was brought back to life, except "It's magic"

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 février 2012 - 04:58 .

[LPPrince]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

We're not letting up till we get what we want.

[JamesFaith]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

She knew Leng was important to TIM, very important even as in his most trusted and capable agent. I kinda doubt she trully believed TIM would actually show up there in person but it wasn't a bad plan on her end.

Really? And how did she know that? She had only two sources of information about Leng:

1) Kahlee and Anderson - they only know that Leng kill Grayson and maybe about his military carierr.

2) Kim - Cerberus double-agent who only told her taht Leng is from Cerberus. She deffinitely wouldn't  told her that Leng is sooo much important as you suggest.

Or she had her own net of informants?

And Gillian more then showed in book, that she is sure about her plan.

And be stabbed by tootbruch isn't seem to me as not bad plan on her end

Modifié par JamesFaith, 01 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[ElitePinecone]

Zhuinden wrote...

Guys, I need a book with at least decent but preferably superb writing: Deception has officially infiltrated by daily language usage, and it's rather bothersome.


Though this request would be offtopic - so you might as well consider it void - but at least I can guarantee that it truly does not do much good for anyone.

Can I suggest Succession by Scott Westerfeld - depending on where you live, it'll be sold as one big book (The Risen Empire) or two smaller books (The Risen Empire and The Killing of Worlds, but they're two halves of the big one). Fantastic story that tries to be realistic and has really memorable characters. Probably up there with my favourite science-fiction. The language and descriptive writing (including a few scenes from the perspective of AIs) is pretty stunning. It combines a few genres, including space combat and strategy/politics, and it's so effective. 

Re: Deception - would we classify the books as military science fiction? None of them have tried very hard to delve into the politics of the universe, except possibly Redemption with Ambassador Anita Goyle. 

[MissOuJ]

Zhuinden wrote...

Guys, I need a book with at least decent but preferably superb writing: Deception has officially infiltrated by daily language usage, and it's rather bothersome.


Though this request would be offtopic - so you might as well consider it void - but at least I can guarantee that it truly does not do much good for anyone.

I just finished The Quantum Thief a while ago, and I loved it! It is full of really interesting ideas. It's pretty heavy, and the Wiki has a glossary for it for a really good reason, but it is a mystery novel. In space! It's deffinetly not for everyone (even all sci-fi fans), but it is very good piece of high sci-fi.

Also, the author has a Ph.D. in Physics. String theory, if I remember correctly.

[Costin_Razvan]

Really? And how did she know that? She had only two sources of information about Leng:

You haven't read the book have you? Paul left her a lot of information about Cerberus. Just as much as he gave Sanders, perhaps more.

How Paul Grayson gave here these files is a big issue, but they exist.

 
But asking aliens if they approve of a listed terrorist organisation, pro-human and anti-alien, whose sole aim is to replace them in positions of power and ensure they hold no sway in galactic politics? 

They were asking how they feel about Cerberus to understand what the Alien position is on them. I do find that kinda important.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 février 2012 - 05:00 .

[ddv.rsa]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

This book is so aweful that it already has more reviews on Amazon than Retribution, and is quickly catching up to Ascension. Something interesting to note is that none of Retribution's 31 reviews are lower than 4/5, whereas Deception has just one positive review.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 01 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[AresXX7]

@Costin_Razvan

I see one flaw in your argument; how could Shepard's 'resurrection' go against the lore if it has never been tried before?

Now, back to the subject at hand - Deception still sucks.

[izmirtheastarach]

LPPrince wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

We're not letting up till we get what we want.

I think we' gotten what we wanted on that front. My review is right up to. The most helpful positive review is also a negative one from one of us. Looks good to me.

[LPPrince]

The PLC wrote...

A few chapters into it. Don't know what to think. There's A LOT of errors, as you people have already pointed out, but... I don't know. It's somewhat entertaining. You just have to correct some of the stuff in your head, which is a shame.

Its your head that makes it entertaining.

Try this-

Every time Nick says ANYTHING, imagine he says ****** Sprinkles.

Watch the lulz happen.

[Saiyan1126]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Saiyan1126 wrote...

Anyone who has read Deception, should add to the 1 star fest on Amazon. I thought it was funny that the only person to give it a positive (5 stars) review, is infamous for writing fake reviews (http://en.wikipedia....arriet_Klausner).

Yeah, Klausner's review is fun. "former Council Director Kahlee Sanders".

Former what now?

The blog that follows her silly reviews seemed to indicate that she will eventually delete the review, because it negatively impact's her review rating.

The reviewer ranked 87th on Amazon also reviewed it for 4 stars. But I was constantly plugging that Amazon page after I kicked off the attack, and he got so many thumbs down that he already pulled his.

Haha nice. I haven't seen any mention of Amazon since I started looking at this thread, so I thought I should bring it up.