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[JoePilot]

ddv.rsa wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

This book is so aweful that it already has more reviews on Amazon than Retribution, and is quickly catching up to Ascension. Something interesting to note is that Retribution has no review score lower than 4/5, whereas Deception really has just one positive review.

If the shoe fits..........

[nicolom]

izmirtheastarach wrote...


So...the comparison is between a decision that the ME writing team made in the games that you disagree with, and a book full of problems, written by an author with no connection to the ME team at all? I'm not sure why that's relevant. Especially when it seems quite clear that that vast majority of ME fans were perfectly fine with how Shepard's death was handled. You aren't, but that's just your own personal opinion.

Either way, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of fans are not okay with how this book handles it's settings and characters. The only thing you prove by arguing the facts is that you have lower standards then the rest of us.

So, your own personal criticism of Deception (Dietz ignoring Gillian's autism, Hendel's sexual orientation etc.) would cease to be valid, if a majority of fans didn't mind?

[Costin_Razvan]

AresXX7 wrote...

@Costin_Razvan

I see one flaw in your argument; how could Shepard's 'resurrection' go against the lore if it has never been tried before?

Now, back to the subject at hand - Deception still sucks.

When you do something as big as bringing back someone from the dead, something that we only as being a miracle, using science, you better have a damn ****ing good explanation to it or else your entire universe suffers. Shepard's death and revival is VERY important in the ME universe.

Believe me though. The whole Batarian Embassy on the Citadel had me smashing my desk, as was the portrayal of the Quarians, the lack of news on Omega etc.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 février 2012 - 05:04 .

[Thargorichiban]

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

[LPPrince]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

Its been posted.

[izmirtheastarach]

This whole argument is pointless. We're all arguing with someone who, when reading a book, doesn't mind inventing whole explanations in his head. Nevermind that the writer didn't explain any of this, I'll just explain it myself.

Well great. You do that. I'm not really interested in doing that myself. I'd rather just go and find a good book to read.

[JoePilot]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

I saw this too, but just like the giantbombcast, commenters seem to take great pangs to seperate themselves from the "nerds" that take tie-in fiction seriously.  It's like, who the hell do you think you are? You're commenting on a games site!

[JoeLaTurkey]

More satire from Statler & Waldorf!

[nitefyre410]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

 


Oh that Is brillant.... 
 


Side note: I want to read the book so because I feel some dishonest  harping on it with out having read it... but one other I don't want subject myself to this because I doubt I will make it past the first couple chapters. 

[Doctalen]

JoePilot wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

I saw this too, but just like the giantbombcast, commenters seem to take great pangs to seperate themselves from the "nerds" that take tie-in fiction seriously.  It's like, who the hell do you think you are? You're commenting on a games site!

I know right? O no someone has a passion in a game univerese! faceless troll comments a crap ton too. I frequent joystiq and always see him. 

[LPPrince]

JoePilot wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

I saw this too, but just like the giantbombcast, commenters seem to take great pangs to seperate themselves from the "nerds" that take tie-in fiction seriously.  It's like, who the hell do you think you are? You're commenting on a games site!

Everyone on this planet is a nerd about SOMETHING.

[JamesFaith]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
You haven't read the book have you? Paul left her a lot of information about Cerberus. Just as much as he gave Sanders, perhaps more.

How Paul Grayson gave here these files is a big issue, but they exist.

I read it and obviously much better then you so I know that she used that magic info pendant after proposing her plan about Leng.

Better luck next time.

[Heraxion]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Really? And how did she know that? She had only two sources of information about Leng:

You haven't read the book have you? Paul left her a lot of information about Cerberus. Just as much as he gave Sanders, perhaps more.

How Paul Grayson gave here these files is a big issue, but they exist.

 
But asking aliens if they approve of a listed terrorist organisation, pro-human and anti-alien, whose sole aim is to replace them in positions of power and ensure they hold no sway in galactic politics? 

They were asking how they feel about Cerberus to understand what the Alien position is on them. I do find that kinda important.

Gillian hadn't looked at the files when she was telling the other biotics about her plan.

Modifié par Heraxion, 01 février 2012 - 05:07 .

[AresXX7]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

@Costin_Razvan

I see one flaw in your argument; how could Shepard's 'resurrection' go against the lore if it has never been tried before?

Now, back to the subject at hand - Deception still sucks.

When you do something as big as bringing back someone from the dead, something that we only as being a miracle, using science, you better have a damn ****ing good explanation to it.

Believe though. The whole Batarian Embassy on the Citadel had me smashing my desk, as was the portrayal of the Quarians, the lack of news on Omega etc.

I do agree with you 100% on the explanation part, but I would still categorize it as a writing issue, not a lore issue.

[Costin_Razvan]

Gillian hadn't looked at the files when she was telling the other biotcs about her plan.

She told the Biotic Underground leadership about an idea of hers to take down Cerberus, she had no plans then.

Only after she finds the data does she make one to use Leng as ransom.

[izmirtheastarach]

AresXX7 wrote...

I do agree with you 100% on the explanation part, but I would still categorize it as a writing issue, not a lore issue.

There is of course an explanation for it in Mass Effect 2. He's just not happy with it. Of course, the revival of Ugho has no explanation, because it is a MISTAKE. That's the main difference. Reviving Shep is not.

[LPPrince]

JoePilot wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Great to see that people have thrown up a bunch more 1-star reviews while I was asleep.

This book is so aweful that it already has more reviews on Amazon than Retribution, and is quickly catching up to Ascension. Something interesting to note is that Retribution has no review score lower than 4/5, whereas Deception really has just one positive review.

If the shoe fits..........

The glass slipper fits perfectly.

I wonder when Deception's Prince will find it...

Oh, wait. I already have.

And I started an operation to tear its transgression of lore to pieces.

[Heraxion]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Gillian hadn't looked at the files when she was telling the other biotcs about her plan.

She told the Biotic Underground leadership about an idea of hers to take down Cerberus, she had no plans then.

Only after she finds the data does she make one to use Leng as ransom.

So she tells the biotics how they can manage to kill the Illusive Man, without having a plan to do so? Her force persuade powers are certainly something.

[Arcadian Legend]

LPPrince wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

I saw this too, but just like the giantbombcast, commenters seem to take great pangs to seperate themselves from the "nerds" that take tie-in fiction seriously.  It's like, who the hell do you think you are? You're commenting on a games site!

Everyone on this planet is a nerd about SOMETHING.

It might just be me, but folks at The Escapist seem to be a little more supportive of us.

[Saiyan1126]

JoePilot wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hadn't been posted: www.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/fans-find-shiploads-of-errors-in-latest-mass-effect-novel/

I saw this too, but just like the giantbombcast, commenters seem to take great pangs to seperate themselves from the "nerds" that take tie-in fiction seriously.  It's like, who the hell do you think you are? You're commenting on a games site!

I think part of the problem is also the examples Joystiq used. When I read the article I brushed it off too. For example:

"Anderson thinking that the Citadel trap had been sprung 'so successfully' they were still reparing damage -- The entire point of the first game was that you prevented that particular Reaper plan from succeeding."

That is so insignificant and up for interpretation, that I initially laughed at the efforts against this book.

[What a Succulent Ass]

...Joe. I laughed until I drooled.

[Khran1505]

People will **** about how you should get a life for being so stuck up about something that butthurts your beloved fiction, fact is you're happy about something that you really enjoy and you're on the defensive because something is threatening to drag it down into absolute terrible writing. Anyone would feel this way about something they love being bastardized by someone else who not only has butthurt it but is also able to get it accepted into canon (for now).

We're happy as we are and these people wasting their lives to tell us to get our own aren't really worth the air to reply.

[izmirtheastarach]

Escapist is kind of big on analysis, which this effort qualifies as.

[MissOuJ]

JamesFaith wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
You haven't read the book have you? Paul left her a lot of information about Cerberus. Just as much as he gave Sanders, perhaps more.

How Paul Grayson gave here these files is a big issue, but they exist.

I read it and obviously much better then you so I know that she used that magic info pendant after proposing her plan about Leng.

Better luck next time.

For real. Nice to know Shepard's resurrection is a bigger problem than a TARDIS-pendant.

[LPPrince]

Khran1505 wrote...

People will **** about how you should get a life for being so stuck up about something that butthurts your beloved fiction, fact is you're happy about something that you really enjoy and you're on the defensive because something is threatening to drag it down into absolute terrible writing. Anyone would feel this way about something they love being bastardized by someone else who not only has butthurt it but is also able to get it accepted into canon (for now).

We're happy as we are and these people wasting their lives to tell us to get our own aren't really worth the air to reply.

That's why I'm still here trying to rally all of us forward.