Mass Effect: Deception Discussion Thread (Updated 2/2/2012) *Now with 30% more links!*
#8576
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:14
#8577
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:15
Costin_Razvan wrote...
She told the Biotic Underground leadership about an idea of hers to take down Cerberus, she had no plans then.
Only after she finds the data does she make one to use Leng as ransom.
"Okay," the asari said hesitantly. "But how?"
It was the question that Zon was supposed to ask--and Gillian felt a momentary sense of satisfaction. Then, based on a plan that seemed to create itself as she spoke, Gillian told the biotics how they could kill the Illusive Man.
Again, better luck next time, because this is like she telling them about plan how to kill TIM.
#8578
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:16
alex90c wrote...
Anything new happened?
Discussion, discussion, discussion.
#8579
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:16
JamesFaith wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
You haven't read the book have you? Paul left her a lot of information about Cerberus. Just as much as he gave Sanders, perhaps more.
How Paul Grayson gave here these files is a big issue, but they exist.
I read it and obviously much better then you so I know that she used that magic info pendant after proposing her plan about Leng.
Better luck next time.
Ok fine, I was wrong. But when she starts creating a plan to take down Cerberus Leng is not mentioned, I just checked the book. So her plan was to try and lure TIM out by capturing one of his agents and using him as ransom?
But only AFTER she checks the pendant does the Biotic Underground go after Leng.
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 février 2012 - 05:18 .
#8580
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:17
Jesus.
#8581
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:18
Costin_Razvan wrote...
But only AFTER she checks the pendant does the Biotic Underground go after Leng.
This is exactly what is so horrible about this book. The writer writes himself into a corner, then pulls a solution out of thin air. And he doesn't even bother to check how his solution affects the plotline.
Modifié par Heraxion, 01 février 2012 - 05:20 .
#8582
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:19
Costin_Razvan wrote...
The difference is that her condition is explained in a previous book. Yes the author handwaves it, but at least in the ME unvierse there is a reasonable explanation to why she got better. I am not saying it's not bull****.There is none for Shepard was brought back to life, except "It's magic"
According to previous books she is autistic. She has always been autistic. Cerberus may have worsened her condition but they didn't cause it. There is no explanation (no, not even "magic") as to how she is all of a sudden a neurotypical person now when she wasn't before, ever.
#8583
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:20
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Ok fine, I was wrong. But when she starts creating a plan to take down Cerberus Leng is not mentioned, I just checked the book. So her plan was to try and lure TIM out by capturing one of his agents and using him as ransom?
But only AFTER she checks the pendant does the Biotic Underground go after Leng.
Better check it again - Chapter eleven, first article
However, if the biotics were able to track the man called Leng perhaps Gillian would find a way to take advantage of the situation.
#8584
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:21
alex90c wrote...
Anything new happened?
We had some fun with photoshop, but there's only so many ways to say something sucks, when it is so bad we can't even entertain light-hearted debate about it.
At this point, the only question is was the ****tiness deliberate, lazy and callous, or an accident due to crunch, etc.
Personally I'm leaning towards the former.
#8585
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:22
JoePilot wrote...
alex90c wrote...
Anything new happened?
We had some fun with photoshop, but there's only so many ways to say something sucks, when it is so bad we can't even entertain light-hearted debate about it.
At this point, the only question is was the ****tiness deliberate, lazy and callous, or an accident due to crunch, etc.
Personally I'm leaning towards the former.
Kahlee's autism?
LOLWUT
#8586
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:23
#8587
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:23
JamesFaith wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Ok fine, I was wrong. But when she starts creating a plan to take down Cerberus Leng is not mentioned, I just checked the book. So her plan was to try and lure TIM out by capturing one of his agents and using him as ransom?
But only AFTER she checks the pendant does the Biotic Underground go after Leng.
Better check it again - Chapter eleven, first articleHowever, if the biotics were able to track the man called Leng perhaps Gillian would find a way to take advantage of the situation.
Anderson and Sanders both know who Leng is and how high ranked he is though. Would it be that improable they mentioned Leng?
#8588
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:23
izmirtheastarach wrote...
Even if Dietz said that the Quarians had cured her Autism through magic, at least that would be an explanation. Better then no explanation at all, which is what we get.
I'd rather no explanation than magic, to be honest.
#8589
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:24
LPPrince wrote...
JoePilot wrote...
alex90c wrote...
Anything new happened?
We had some fun with photoshop, but there's only so many ways to say something sucks, when it is so bad we can't even entertain light-hearted debate about it.
At this point, the only question is was the ****tiness deliberate, lazy and callous, or an accident due to crunch, etc.
Personally I'm leaning towards the former.
Kahlee's autism?
LOLWUT
Not debate the finer points, mind you - we can do that all day. I meant the general consensus the book is poo. That right there is a first (as far as I know) on these boards.
Modifié par JoePilot, 01 février 2012 - 05:25 .
#8590
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:24
#8591
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:25
JoePilot wrote...
alex90c wrote...
Anything new happened?
We had some fun with photoshop, but there's only so many ways to say something sucks, when it is so bad we can't even entertain light-hearted debate about it.
At this point, the only question is was the ****tiness deliberate, lazy and callous, or an accident due to crunch, etc.
Personally I'm leaning towards the former.
IMO, that Tweet should be added to the OP. It's just as unbelievably ridculous as the book itself. Maybe even sligthly more so.
#8592
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:25
I012345 wrote...
IGN:
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Here's a clicky.
games.ign.com/articles/121/1217690p1.html
Modifié par Relix28, 01 février 2012 - 05:26 .
#8593
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:26
LPPrince wrote...
izmirtheastarach wrote...
Even if Dietz said that the Quarians had cured her Autism through magic, at least that would be an explanation. Better then no explanation at all, which is what we get.
I'd rather no explanation than magic, to be honest.
The explanation should be..bacon.
#8594
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:27
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Anderson and Sanders both know who Leng is and how high ranked he is though. Would it be that improable they mentioned Leng?
Something could have happened that would explain this other thing that would explain something else. Of course, none of it is actually in the book. But I don't mind writing my own book.
Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 05:27 .
#8595
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:27
Relix28 wrote...
I012345 wrote...
IGN:
http://games.ign.com.../1217690p1.html
Here's a clicky.
games.ign.com/articles/121/1217690p1.html
Sorry that was lazy. Just woke up.
#8596
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:27
.I012345 wrote...
IGN:
http://games.ign.com.../1217690p1.html
AWWW YEAH!
And I just had to catch up though twenty or so pages, THANKS GUYS.
#8597
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:27
#8598
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:28
Costin_Razvan wrote...
JamesFaith wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Ok fine, I was wrong. But when she starts creating a plan to take down Cerberus Leng is not mentioned, I just checked the book. So her plan was to try and lure TIM out by capturing one of his agents and using him as ransom?
But only AFTER she checks the pendant does the Biotic Underground go after Leng.
Better check it again - Chapter eleven, first articleHowever, if the biotics were able to track the man called Leng perhaps Gillian would find a way to take advantage of the situation.
Anderson and Sanders both know who Leng is and how high ranked he is though. Would it be that improable they mentioned Leng?
Chapter 4 - complete dialog between Giilian, Kahlee and Anderson, before she left. No mention about name Leng or about his importance. Next time they see her dying at the end.
#8599
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:28
Relix28 wrote...
I012345 wrote...
IGN:
http://games.ign.com.../1217690p1.html
Here's a clicky.
games.ign.com/articles/121/1217690p1.html
This is what I wanted. We're making this happen.
YES.
We successfully got IGN's attention and they did as I knew they would- contact Bioware.
WE'RE DOING THIS.
#8600
Posté 01 février 2012 - 05:29
"We've reached out to BioWare and will update with any comment we receive."
Ha!




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