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Mass Effect: Deception Discussion Thread (Updated 2/2/2012) *Now with 30% more links!*


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#8926
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LPPrince wrote...

#4, the Lazarus Project rev'd Shepard.

Hence it being the least ridiculous and why it shouldn't even be brought up against Deception's transgressions.

Point taken. However when I brought it up I compared it with the apparently impossible batarian raid of Pavalen, not with the retconning of Gillian or Hendel.
We should make a distinction between things that contradicts canon and things that are unlikely. The raid to Pavalen is unlikely, but it doesn't contradict canon, so it shouldn't be grouped together with the other big errors.

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LPPrince wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

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But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


This is Dietz misunderstanding and exaggerating the lore.  Biotics are prone to building up a static charge, but it's nothing so dramatic as he portrays.  It's more like what happens when you rub your feet on the carpet.


Super Saiyans.

As said earlier, he and Akira Toriyama probably had a conversation while it was written.


I can't be the only one thinking now that a Dragon Ball Z / Mass Effect crossover would be crazy awesome. Shepard versus Frieza? 

Man, I'm a nerd.

#8928
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Dude, screw the "happy bowls".  He's got gangs running around on roller skates.




Oh god, i had repressed that.


Don't even try, it'll keep coming up.

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JamesFaith wrote...

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There's nothing wrong with biotic "air kisses". Societies and subcultures have all kinds of touching rituals and there's no reason to criticise Dietz for inventing one for biotics. If anything the books (all of them) should have had more stuff like this, should have explored the universe in ways that didn't involve running through corridors and shooting people.


But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


Plus, this never happens in game. If "asari air kissing" actually happened, then there would be little lightning storms going off when ever two asari were in the same room. There's a guy in the Kasumi DLC with two asari lounging on him. If air kissing happens, then that guy is going to feel like someone is hitting him with a tazer every five seconeds.:o

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Thousands of people died on the Citadel each day. Most of them were identified within a few minutes or hours at most. Then, in accordance with the directives they had left behind, or in keeping with instructions from the next of kin, their bodies were shipped to whatever planet they called home, or disposed of on the Citadel itself. But there were some, a few hundred each day, that went unidentified. So on the chance that Nick had been murdered, Anderson and Kahlee had agreed to take the grisly stroll through the section of the space station’s morgue dedicated to bodies waiting to be identified. They could be seen inside gas- filled capsules, each standing as if still alive, eyes closed. Only twenty- two percent of them were human. That made the process a bit easier


The Citadel has a daily murder rate hundreds of times higher then the United States. And 22% of those killed are human. Kind of feels like there would be a travel advisory or something. Also, this morgue sounds really creepy.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 07:44 .


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didymos1120 wrote...

Dude, screw the "happy bowls".  He's got gangs running around on roller skates.

And turian rickshaws.... Turian. F***ing. Rickshaws! <_<

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=medium 

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LPPrince wrote...

Kai Leng was himself for ONE scene.

One. Scene.

I ended up feeling sorry for him. From a scary BAMF to a chew toy in just one book.
First, Gillian's escape from Afterlife forces him to pee in a vase and he can't even kill her. His stake out is ruined by a street gang. Then, when he is just trying to get some happy bowl (must be Karma from eating Anderson's cereals), the restaurant get shot up. After that, he is captured with extreme ease by the biotics. His escape attempt culminates with him being slammed on the floor, his girlfriend is killed. he is forced to kill someone with a toothbrush and, finally, he needed daddy's help to get out of Omega.
All in all, I have no idea why Dietz decided to use the, supposed, Anti-Shepard as comedy relief.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 février 2012 - 07:48 .


#8933
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JamesFaith wrote...

But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


There's already a connection between biotics and static discharges.  What's the problem you're seeing?

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ODST 3 wrote...

I'm making an audio book based on the 50-page free excerpt. Think that's legal?


Right now? yes

If something like SOPA or ACTA get passed into law? no

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


There's already a connection between biotics and static discharges.  What's the problem you're seeing?


Except the asari air kissing should have come up in the past if it was actually a thing that existed.

#8936
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CaptainZaysh wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


There's already a connection between biotics and static discharges.  What's the problem you're seeing?


Speaking entirely for myself, the problem I see is that Asari air-kisses aren't actually a thing. Also, if they are a thing, they are one of the dumbest sounding things I've ever heard.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 07:46 .


#8937
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See, here's how it's portrayed in Ascension, when Kahlee takes Nick's readings:

Kahlee reached out and touched him gingerly just above his collar, bracing against the tiny spark that jolted the tip of her finger. Nick jumped slightly, though he was more used to it than she was. Biotics often gave off small, sharp discharges of electricity; their bodies naturally generated static, as if they had just walked across a carpet in wool socks.


Modifié par didymos1120, 01 février 2012 - 07:47 .


#8938
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CaptainZaysh wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


There's already a connection between biotics and static discharges.  What's the problem you're seeing?

It may be a bit of a charge, but what we're talking here (actually, what Dietz is talking here) is a full-on mini electrical storm.  Biotics, at their free-electronniest, produce a small ZAP when touched.  That is all.

#8939
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MissOuJ wrote...

CG50 wrote...

I'm thinking this is all part of the plan. That the book was meant to be so bad that people will talk about it to get more publicity...... It's a conspiracy man!


It's a conspiracy that cost me €9.

:(


Let's try to have fun here then to get at least something good in return. :P

#8940
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izmirtheastarach wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

But this isn't about some touching ritual. Dietz claiming that if two biotics get close together, there is some static crackling between them, which he calling asari air kisses. And in this static thing we seeing problem.


There's already a connection between biotics and static discharges.  What's the problem you're seeing?


Speaking entirely for myself, the problem I see is that Asari air-kisses aren't actually a thing. Also, if they are a thing, they are one of the dumbest sounding things I've ever heard.


Dietz probably just thought it sounded hot.

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Lol, i keep hearing the super saiyan comparisons and im imagining them screaming "KAME-HAME-WARP!!!!". Oh i wonder if someones biotic level is over 9000!!!

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Curunen wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Now that I think of it the sole purpose of the book was for TIM to get Grayson's body so he could make more Adjutants.

That's it. Everything else is just there for no real reason.


Pretty much.

And to be fair, the whole body-stealing scene was pretty much the best and the coolest part of the whole book. I just wish the rest would have been half as good.

:pinched:

Wait, there's parts that are worth reading? :o

I wonder if it goes on sale for less than a pound whether it's worth picking up for the few decent bits?


Well, that part is 6 pages long in total (107-112)...

So, unless you get it for 5p, then no, I guess it still isn't. And the s****y bits are overwhelmingly bad.

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Right, I can no longer tell the parody book quotes from the genuine ones.

Can somebody help me out?

#8944
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Yuoaman wrote...
I can't be the only one thinking now that a Dragon Ball Z / Mass Effect crossover would be crazy awesome. Shepard versus Frieza? 

Man, I'm a nerd.


Vegeta>Goku.

Now back on topic.

#8945
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Yuoaman wrote...

Except the asari air kissing should have come up in the past if it was actually a thing that existed.


Okay, so the vorcha were a lore error?

How about "the subtle twinge of vertigo when the motion dampeners kick in"?  We did plenty of space travel in ME1 and nobody mentioned vertigo.  WTF BIOWARE

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Yuoaman wrote...
Super Saiyans.

As said earlier, he and Akira Toriyama probably had a conversation while it was written.


Now all we need is Finn.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 01 février 2012 - 07:50 .


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JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Right, I can no longer tell the parody book quotes from the genuine ones.

Can somebody help me out?

No.  No we can't.  <_<

#8948
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Chewin3 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
I can't be the only one thinking now that a Dragon Ball Z / Mass Effect crossover would be crazy awesome. Shepard versus Frieza? 

Man, I'm a nerd.


Vegeta>Goku.

Now back on topic.


Vegeta is to Drew's novels as Goku is to Deception.

Just not to THAT extent.

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CaptainZaysh wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Except the asari air kissing should have come up in the past if it was actually a thing that existed.


Okay, so the vorcha were a lore error?

How about "the subtle twinge of vertigo when the motion dampeners kick in"?  We did plenty of space travel in ME1 and nobody mentioned vertigo.  WTF BIOWARE


Do you personally think that the phrase "asari-style air kisses" adds something of value to this book and the universe in general?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 01 février 2012 - 07:50 .


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Yuoaman wrote...

Dietz actually got Mass Effect for approximately one hour - but blunt objects put an end to that wackiness.


Blunt objects? Em... I got a better theory.
He used to get Mass Effect for one hour, but then he took an arrow in the knee.