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[Heraxion]

JamesFaith wrote...

I was thinking about that Biotic parade. What do you think, do Blood pack, Blue suns or Talons making their own parade on Omega? And if yes what they doing when this two parades meet? What would they do? Dance fight? Rap battle?

Dance fight with rollerblades!

[jasonsantanna]

 I just finished Deception today started reading it yesterday . . .I was going to do a review myself for ppeople but it seems  that its making rounds every where on the net and none are positive .
I decided to not cancel my order and just read it based on my own feelings and not the thoughts of others on BSN.
I have to say about 95% or more of what people said about the book is true , now don't get me wrong this in no way will reflect my pre-ordering of the game(ME3) but Deception went no where it kept leading you to a climax that never happen, I wont go into detail about what I didnt like about the book because lets face it most of everyones view of the book is the same but I will point out that it seemed so rush and felt like it was not a ME book or felt like it was not taking place in the ME universe.
But what bugged me most was why the writer felt it was so important to always point out or state that Anderson and Kahlee need to have breakfast or want to go eat dinner before they do anything or how he keeps describing how TIM smokes his cigs . . .it put me off very much but to sum up what I thought about this book I took this reveiw from a customer on AMAZON , which is the exactly what I thought of the book also. . . .:pinched::(

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

[Heimdall]

Luigitornado wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The novel was probably approved by someone high up in the ME Team.

Thing is I very much doubt this person was a writer, seeing as the writers have had a lot on their plates. Still it's not an excuse for Bioware.

Almost done with the book, and in my opinion all of you are drama queens. The writing is not up to snuff, and there are gramatical errors and such.

The story itself is pretty solid, but the lore issues are massive.

The only massive lore issues would be the ages of Gillian and Nick, and the whole Level 1, 2, 3 ADEPT biotic stuff. Sure there are a lot of small nit-picky stuff, which would putt-off most of the princess-and-the-pea folks on this board, but like you said the story is enjoyable enough for me to over look it.

Like the half masked Volus that aren't dead?  Like the apparently not notable slave raid on Palaven by an old Batarian cruiser with a Tantalus drive core?

[Ashira Shepard]

ZLurps wrote...
Yep but even if they kept characters younger, would you buy 13 - 15 years old Gillian and Nick travelling to Omega and surving there?

I'm pretty sure that guy you can convince to not join the mission to kill Archangel looked like he was what? 19, 21 at best.

He was an idiot who gets killed in the first few seconds of the assault if you don't stop him.

I could swallow a character surviving somewhere regardless of age; it's their established competence and ability that sell it.

[The Love Runner]

Heraxion wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I was thinking about that Biotic parade. What do you think, do Blood pack, Blue suns or Talons making their own parade on Omega? And if yes what they doing when this two parades meet? What would they do? Dance fight? Rap battle?

Dance fight with rollerblades!

And Gyrocycles and Rickshaws!

[HamzizMsgSvc]

jreezy wrote...

I leave this thread alone for 9 hours and it's 40+ pages bigger. I refuse to go back and read anything I might have missed though.

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Modifié par HamzizMsgSvc, 02 février 2012 - 12:18 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

jreezy wrote...

I leave this thread alone for 9 hours and it's 40+ pages bigger. I refuse to go back and read anything I might have missed though.

I don't blame you, j...but you can roll with this thread like that better than most because we're ADD and switch topics so often. That's probaby part of the reason this thread grows like a rabbit population...

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

I was thinking about that Biotic parade. What do you think, do Blood pack, Blue suns or Talons making their own parade on Omega? And if yes what they doing when this two parades meet? What would they do? Dance fight? Rap battle?

Breakdance!

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[Heraxion]

Galactic Runner wrote...

Heraxion wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I was thinking about that Biotic parade. What do you think, do Blood pack, Blue suns or Talons making their own parade on Omega? And if yes what they doing when this two parades meet? What would they do? Dance fight? Rap battle?

Dance fight with rollerblades!

And Gyrocycles and Rickshaws!

And free Happy Bowls for everyone!

[NPH11]

jreezy wrote...

I leave this thread alone for 9 hours and it's 40+ pages bigger. I refuse to go back and read anything I might have missed though.

Back in my day I'd read through 75 pages of new content in half an hour.

[Balmung31]

kidbd15 wrote...

Balmung31 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

I blame BioWare more than the author... BioWare employed this author, and didn't check his work, and let this ship

If the reason was because their attention was far more focused on ME3, I'd be willing to give them a pass. 

That's not to say this book shouldn't be disavowed by them, it should.  I just think Bioware has a heckuva lot on their plate with ME3.

Not a reason, at all.  If they didn't have the time or resources to check the man's work, then DON'T commission the book at all.  At the end of the day, every single ME item, from the games down to the smallest key chain, should be checked.  Quality control.  The ME name has standards to live up to, that's quality controls job.

Whatever Bioware may be, they're still just people.  People make mistakes.  Sometimes big ones, sometimes little ones. 

This was most definitely a mistake.  You may well be right that they shouldn't even have commisioned the job in the first place.  Actually I tend to think that, too.  I'd rather they keep as much focus on just the game itself, and not be distracted by having to keep track of, at best, ancillary material.  I like things that can expand a universe as much as the next fan, but if it in any way detracts from the quality of what is your main method of conveying said universe (IE, the games)?  Just let it go. 

Still, I don't feel the need to rake them over the coals, so to speak.  Just voice my displeasure. 

[OMTING52601]

scyphozoa wrote...

I just read the bit about the Batarian slave-raid on Palaven. WTFFFFFF

I can't believe such crazy lore errors were authorized. Bioware needs to be way more discerning with what gets published under their name, brand and franchises.

It's possible Dietz was given a brief outline of what 'needed' to happen in the story. Something like x needs to kill a, b, and c. D and E are in a budding relationship and are trying to stop x, a, b, and c from accomplishing F goal. With this outline, it's not unlikely he was given free reign to create the story as he choose. With the previous writer gone from the ME team, it's also possible that whoever was left in charge of the novel tie-in isn't all that familiar with ME themself. I'm not saying any of this is what happened, just that it's quite plausible given the result.

In fact, I think it's really plausible that whoever was in charge of going over the galley of "Deception" isn't intimately, or perhaps even passingly, familiar with the canon, which would explain all the continuity issues. 

And I'd really like to give you guys some optimism, but chances are the book wouldn't see a major overhaul unless its sales numbers got to a point where a second edition would be profitable, which then may preclude it from any major editing. I suppose if the complaints are loud enough, it's possible the book could be pulled, but super implausible. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a fanon discontinuity is actually really possible and plausible, in regard to "Deception", so I suppse that's a bit of optimism.

Anyway, I wish you guys the best  I've been in your shoes, though not in this case, but I can empathize. There's nothing like buying the next book in that series you've been going nuts to read, only to find out your favorite character has done a 180 or that major sub plots have completely disappeared, etc, etc.

[What a Succulent Ass]

JamesFaith wrote...

I was thinking about that Biotic parade. What do you think, do Blood pack, Blue suns or Talons making their own parade on Omega? And if yes what they doing when this two parades meet? What would they do? Dance fight? Rap battle?

It's the Lightnings.

They have roller discos in the street.

[Luigitornado]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Almost done with the book, and in my opinion all of you are drama queens. The writing is not up to snuff, and there are gramatical errors and such.

Like I said I would. I'm enjoying the book for what it is.

Not sure if serious...

The story is solid, and fairly entertaining like the past ones.

[CROAT_56]

OK I've been snooping this thread for the past 200 pages and I got to say you guys are great and keep up the good, though heartbreaking work. As for the story I agree its atrocious as I stated in the locked deception thread. Should Dietz find another career in my opinion seeing what he did here and what he did with the Halo book yes he should. OK now that its off my chest.... End rant.

[izmirtheastarach]

Fanon discontinuity is in full effect. The guys I am sad for are the ones who run the wiki. I have no idea what they are going to do.

[Balmung31]

AshiraShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...
Yep but even if they kept characters younger, would you buy 13 - 15 years old Gillian and Nick travelling to Omega and surving there?

I'm pretty sure that guy you can convince to not join the mission to kill Archangel looked like he was what? 19, 21 at best.

He was an idiot who gets killed in the first few seconds of the assault if you don't stop him.

I could swallow a character surviving somewhere regardless of age; it's their established competence and ability that sell it.

Don't forget the Duct rats on the Citadel.  They learned to survive.

[Heraxion]

Luigitornado wrote...

The story is solid

What! This thing has plot holes larger than the presidium ring!

[Iohanna]

jreezy wrote...

I leave this thread alone for 9 hours and it's 40+ pages bigger. I refuse to go back and read anything I might have missed though.

Weakling.

Luigitornado wrote...

The story is solid, and fairly entertaining like the past ones.

Hahahaha! Ha... Ha...

No.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Balmung31 wrote...

Whatever Bioware may be, they're still just people.  People make mistakes.  Sometimes big ones, sometimes little ones. 

This was most definitely a mistake.  You may well be right that they shouldn't even have commisioned the job in the first place.  Actually I tend to think that, too.  I'd rather they keep as much focus on just the game itself, and not be distracted by having to keep track of, at best, ancillary material.  I like things that can expand a universe as much as the next fan, but if it in any way detracts from the quality of what is your main method of conveying said universe (IE, the games)?  Just let it go. 

Still, I don't feel the need to rake them over the coals, so to speak.  Just voice my displeasure. 

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if I didn't believe - in the very fiber of my being - that one writer at BioWare taking a few hours to read this book before it went to print would have solved at least 90% of the (major) continuity issues. Just one, just a few hours to sit down and read it. Would it have taken more time from them afterward to address such issues with Dietz? Yeah, but I maintain that it would've been more honorable to cancel the book or postpone it until after the release of ME3 (at which point they would have plenty of time to work on it) than to play ostritch and hope that everything will work out the way its supposed to.

In the military, we have a saying: "Trust, but verify." This did NOT happen at BioWare with this book, and it's painfully obvious.

[Yuoaman]

Luigitornado wrote...

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Almost done with the book, and in my opinion all of you are drama queens. The writing is not up to snuff, and there are gramatical errors and such.

Like I said I would. I'm enjoying the book for what it is.

Not sure if serious...

The story is solid, and fairly entertaining like the past ones.

Yeah, if anything interesting happened, any of the characters acted in character, and if the prose weren't absolute **** - sure it would be entertaining.

[izmirtheastarach]

I kind of feel like discussing this with someone who thinks this book is good, is kind of pointless. Some people will accept whatever crap they are given. Nothing we can say will change that.

Set every lore error aside, and the book is still terrible. Some people care about the  quality of their writing, some people don't.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 02 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[CROAT_56]

Iohanna wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I leave this thread alone for 9 hours and it's 40+ pages bigger. I refuse to go back and read anything I might have missed though.

Weakling.

Luigitornado wrote...

The story is solid, and fairly entertaining like the past ones.

Hahahaha! Ha... Ha...

No.

Lol tell me about it reezy I go to class and when I get back there are 15 new pages

:ohow can you actually believe this "thing" is a solid story?  I can tell you it is something solid though......

[ZLurps]

AshiraShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...
Yep but even if they kept characters younger, would you buy 13 - 15 years old Gillian and Nick travelling to Omega and surving there?

I'm pretty sure that guy you can convince to not join the mission to kill Archangel looked like he was what? 19, 21 at best.

He was an idiot who gets killed in the first few seconds of the assault if you don't stop him.

I could swallow a character surviving somewhere regardless of age; it's their established competence and ability that sell it.

Sorry, I forgot something. 13 - 15 severely autistic girl.
What comes to Nick, that depends.

IMO one of the most outstanding issues with this book is that characters are doing really weird and unplausible things. I don't know how long Anderson and Kahlee have been on the Citadel but it's mentioned that Nick needed medical help from Citadel facilities but after all, he was just visiting there.

How long he have been there, two weeks, a month? For some of that time recovering his injuries, at the same time he had time to befriend couple of total strangers and form a bond with them strong enough to leave everybody who has cared of him behind to join damn terrorist organisation.

Crap.

EDIT: My point. If characters age and other issues were like they should according to canon, the book would make even less sense.

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 12:32 .