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MJvasNormandy wrote...
Galactic Runner wrote...
On-topic: Any luck on additional media coverage?
I don't know why the OP didn't post the Machinima coverage.
http://www.youtube.c...m4o-Mps#t=1m17s
CDRSkyShepard wrote...
I could see why TIM would regard Gillian with caution, given that one outburst in Ascension caused a Singularity. Fear, on the other hand? No. If Shepard doesn't scare him, Gillian won't.
NubXL wrote...
There's enough guilt to go around. BioWare wanted them dead, Dietz chose how to do it.AlphaJarmel wrote...
Well it's obvious Bioware wanted these characters dead so you can't really blame that on Dietz.
izmirtheastarach wrote...
MJvasNormandy wrote...
Galactic Runner wrote...
On-topic: Any luck on additional media coverage?
I don't know why the OP didn't post the Machinima coverage.
http://www.youtube.c...m4o-Mps#t=1m17s
Did you PM him?
Modifié par MJvasNormandy, 02 février 2012 - 01:31 .
OMTING52601 wrote...
If that's how the wiki guys feel, that's cool, but that isn't how it has to be. An example of fanon in action is Star Trek V, which after unbelivable fanon discontinuity, was labeled, by Gene Rodenberry himself as 'apocryphal', which means of questionable authenticity, erroneous, fictitious.
I don't have a horse in this race. I was honestly just trying to give people some optimism that even if Bioware ignores the kerfuffle, fans don't have to 'suck it up and deal', that's all. Wasn't trying to stir a pot or anything. Heck, wasn't even pointing fingers or being nasty. This kind of thing, books(be they tie-ins, series entries, stand alones) finding their way to publication despite poor plotting, editing, and synchronicity, happens more often than most people think. If you're a lucky writer, someone will find the mistakes before galley and proofing and you get a chance to fix things. In this case, that didn't happen. It's lamentable.
didymos1120 wrote...
NubXL wrote...
There's enough guilt to go around. BioWare wanted them dead, Dietz chose how to do it.AlphaJarmel wrote...
Well it's obvious Bioware wanted these characters dead so you can't really blame that on Dietz.
Killing characters in and of itself isn't a problem, and there's nothing wrong with the basic concept of a "Gillian dies" story. The problem is that this particular "Gillian dies" story is awful.
JoeLaTurkey wrote...
I'm glad the IGN article explained the major errors (autism, homosexuality, aging) - some of the other articles made the fans look silly.
Modifié par MJvasNormandy, 02 février 2012 - 01:33 .
CDRSkyShepard wrote...
OMTING52601 wrote...
If that's how the wiki guys feel, that's cool, but that isn't how it has to be. An example of fanon in action is Star Trek V, which after unbelivable fanon discontinuity, was labeled, by Gene Rodenberry himself as 'apocryphal', which means of questionable authenticity, erroneous, fictitious.
I don't have a horse in this race. I was honestly just trying to give people some optimism that even if Bioware ignores the kerfuffle, fans don't have to 'suck it up and deal', that's all. Wasn't trying to stir a pot or anything. Heck, wasn't even pointing fingers or being nasty. This kind of thing, books(be they tie-ins, series entries, stand alones) finding their way to publication despite poor plotting, editing, and synchronicity, happens more often than most people think. If you're a lucky writer, someone will find the mistakes before galley and proofing and you get a chance to fix things. In this case, that didn't happen. It's lamentable.
See, Gene Roddenberry denouncing it makes it not an example of fanon exclusion. Gene Roddenbery IS Star Trek's canon.
The Wiki guys want to do their best to be in line with both BioWare and the fans, I do not envy their position atm.
AVPen wrote...
Ah, I see you've read my Amazon review, nice.jasonsantanna wrote...
I just finished Deception today started reading it yesterday . . .I was going to do a review myself for ppeople but it seems that its making rounds every where on the net and none are positive .
I decided to not cancel my order and just read it based on my own feelings and not the thoughts of others on BSN.
I have to say about 95% or more of what people said about the book is true , now don't get me wrong this in no way will reflect my pre-ordering of the game(ME3) but Deception went no where it kept leading you to a climax that never happen, I wont go into detail about what I didnt like about the book because lets face it most of everyones view of the book is the same but I will point out that it seemed so rush and felt like it was not a ME book or felt like it was not taking place in the ME universe.
But what bugged me most was why the writer felt it was so important to always point out or state that Anderson and Kahlee need to have breakfast or want to go eat dinner before they do anything or how he keeps describing how TIM smokes his cigs . . .it put me off very much but to sum up what I thought about this book I took this reveiw from a customer on AMAZON , which is the exactly what I thought of the book also. . . .:pinched:
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**SPOILERS!**
How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..
JoeLaTurkey wrote...
I'm glad the IGN article explained the major errors (autism, homosexuality, aging) - some of the other articles made the fans look silly.
MJvasNormandy wrote...
JoeLaTurkey wrote...
I'm glad the IGN article explained the major errors (autism, homosexuality, aging) - some of the other articles made the fans look silly.
Ya, I was a bit upset about the other coverage, that's why I made the suggestion to post a message for the media. Glad we got to it by the time IGN picked it up. And props to Yuoaman for the message and organizing the severity of the errors.
Yuoaman wrote...
Not really, at that time he was mostly in an advisory position - he had been basically pushed out of the actual production years before.
NYG1991 wrote...
just checked the google doc. can someone explain the kai leng cereal thing? didnt see it there.
Yuoaman wrote...
Not really, at that time he was mostly in an advisory position - he had been basically pushed out of the actual production years before.
I agree. I wouldn't have a problem with them being killed off if it was at least done with an ounce of respect and purpose.didymos1120 wrote...
NubXL wrote...
There's enough guilt to go around. BioWare wanted them dead, Dietz chose how to do it.AlphaJarmel wrote...
Well it's obvious Bioware wanted these characters dead so you can't really blame that on Dietz.
Killing characters in and of itself isn't a problem, and there's nothing wrong with the basic concept of a "Gillian dies" story. The problem is that this particular "Gillian dies" story is awful.
Yuoaman wrote...
NYG1991 wrote...
just checked the google doc. can someone explain the kai leng cereal thing? didnt see it there.
At one point, while leaving bugs in Anderson's apartment to keep an eye on stuff there, he eats some of Anderson's cereal for the adrenaline rush. It wasn't actually an error, just a really silly scene.
ZLurps wrote...
People are pissed off for many reasons. Lore and poor quality of writing and killing Gillian for example.
Can't say much about other things but I think it's very unlikely that idea to kill Gillian was his own. Killing a character is very extreme thing to do, s/he can't appear in games or comics anymore and it's very difficult for me to believe that hired gun would have given freedom to do whatever they wish with characters. That would be a tail wagging a dog.
schwarzaj wrote...
Even if Bioware decided that Gillian had to die, the fact remains that Deception doesn't fit into established cannon. Mass Effect is a story driven video game, with all tie-in material up to Deception having some relevance or effect on the plot of the actual game. This makes Deception not just a mess of a novel, but an actual threat to the franchise as a whole. If Bioware doesn't come out with a statement as to whether or not Deception is cannon, then the integrety of both Bioware and Mass Effect will be greatly tarnished.
Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...
ZLurps wrote...
People are pissed off for many reasons. Lore and poor quality of writing and killing Gillian for example.
Can't say much about other things but I think it's very unlikely that idea to kill Gillian was his own. Killing a character is very extreme thing to do, s/he can't appear in games or comics anymore and it's very difficult for me to believe that hired gun would have given freedom to do whatever they wish with characters. That would be a tail wagging a dog.
Ugho died in a previous ME novel, but Dietz had no problem bringing him back, only to have him die a second time. Who knows, maybe we'll see him in ME3, too?
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