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[schwarzaj]

Trust me, they hate Deception as much as we do.

[NYG1991]

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

[AVPen]

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

No... actually, scratch that, I mean HELL NO. <_<

[JamesFaith]

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

Don't read anything except Flood, but he is reffered  like military sci-fi autor. Maybe he simply isnť able to made anything different from one of soldiers schemes (no offence to soldiers). You can see it on Deception - patetic empty words, still trying made funny points, lack of fealings... etc.

[ZLurps]

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

[JamesFaith]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

People are pissed off for many reasons. Lore and poor quality of writing and killing Gillian for example.
Can't say much about other things but I think it's very unlikely that idea to kill Gillian was his own. Killing a character is very extreme thing to do, s/he can't appear in games or comics anymore and it's very difficult for me to believe that hired gun would have given freedom to do whatever they wish with characters. That would be a tail wagging a dog.

Ugho died in a previous ME novel, but Dietz had no problem bringing him back, only to have him die a second time. Who knows, maybe we'll see him in ME3, too?

On other hand - immortal kvarian chief of security is quite useful person.

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

ZLurps wrote...

As husks weren't enough, now we got zombies too.

Dietz had to tie in Deception's canon with The Flood's canon, obvs.

[JamesFaith]

ZLurps wrote...

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It will sound funny after Deception, but Master Chief suddenly gets emotions in this book, f. e. he start swearing. Most problém is, that this emotions for mostly used very inappropriately.

[izmirtheastarach]

See, Casey just posted to twitter, and his tweet is entirely promotional. I don't think he's actually tweeting, I think someone in PR or community management is just using his account to desiminate things.

[XXIceColdXX]

AshiraShepard wrote...

We have reached the galleries of Know Your Meme.

LOL

[Yuoaman]

There was absolutely no emotion in any of Deception, characters died and people would mutter a few lines of stilted dialog before the dead character was forgotten about entirely.

****ing pathetic.

[CDRSkyShepard]

AshiraShepard wrote...

We have reached the galleries of Know Your Meme.

YESH!!!

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

Don't read anything except Flood, but he is reffered  like military sci-fi autor. Maybe he simply isnť able to made anything different from one of soldiers schemes (no offence to soldiers). You can see it on Deception - patetic empty words, still trying made funny points, lack of fealings... etc.

I'm former soldier, lack of wit isn't because of service though.

Basically I'm looking for a pattern. He can make his characters eat and have sex and there's flirting but then they are like a black hole or something. Maybe it's somesort of uncanny valley thing. Like ghosts bound to repeat actions of the living without any real motive or meaning to them.

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 01:55 .

[nitefyre410]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

See, Casey just posted to twitter, and his tweet is entirely promotional. I don't think he's actually tweeting, I think someone in PR or community management is just using his account to desiminate things.

 

No suprise... I would doubt that it would be his personally twitter.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 février 2012 - 01:56 .

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It will sound funny after Deception, but Master Chief suddenly gets emotions in this book, f. e. he start swearing. Most problém is, that this emotions for mostly used very inappropriately.

Like doing wrong "actions" or rather moods in the wrong places?

[izmirtheastarach]

nitefyre410 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

See, Casey just posted to twitter, and his tweet is entirely promotional. I don't think he's actually tweeting, I think someone in PR or community management is just using his account to desiminate things.

 

No suprise... I would doubt that it would be his personally twitter.

All of the other dev twitters are personal. It's kind of annoying.

[ZLurps]

Yuoaman wrote...

There was absolutely no emotion in any of Deception, characters died and people would mutter a few lines of stilted dialog before the dead character was forgotten about entirely.

****ing pathetic.

It's a bit disturbing really.

[NYG1991]

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It was multiple POV. Chief, covenant elite, and a grunt. I was able to grit my way through it cause i was so excited for the upcoming game. IIRC there was like 5 different POV characters. If you're big time HALO fan you might get some enjoyment out of it as he doesn't trash the lore in that like he does here.

[didymos1120]

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 février 2012 - 01:58 .

[nitefyre410]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

See, Casey just posted to twitter, and his tweet is entirely promotional. I don't think he's actually tweeting, I think someone in PR or community management is just using his account to desiminate things.

 

No suprise... I would doubt that it would be his personally twitter.

All of the other dev twitters are personal. It's kind of annoying.

 


Won't dispute that  

annonying and disengenious .

[Yuoaman]

ZLurps wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

There was absolutely no emotion in any of Deception, characters died and people would mutter a few lines of stilted dialog before the dead character was forgotten about entirely.

****ing pathetic.

It's a bit disturbing really.

Very disturbing.

[ZLurps]

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

[schwarzaj]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

As husks weren't enough, now we got zombies too.

Dietz had to tie in Deception's canon with The Flood's canon, obvs.

And to think that I believed that his little Halo novel was the last travesty I would have to read.

[JamesFaith]

ZLurps wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It will sound funny after Deception, but Master Chief suddenly gets emotions in this book, f. e. he start swearing. Most problém is, that this emotions for mostly used very inappropriately.

Like doing wrong "actions" or rather moods in the wrong places?

Like bad timing,  too pathetic and such. Master Chief was tough guy in first book who simply showing his emotions by actions, there suddenly thinking about everything, Dietz simply again must explaining you thing where should't be explantion 

[didymos1120]

He even loads his shotgun right after that:

Having broken the link Leng spent a few minutes at the apartment’s computer terminal prior to loading the shotgun and returning to the street.