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[JoeLaTurkey]

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Keep going didy, but I'll be amazed if you can find anything worse than the Sandman or stir-fry scenes *shudders, reaches for whiskey*

[Yuoaman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Shouldn't that be boxes of thermal clips?

[nitefyre410]

didymos1120 wrote...

He even loads his shotgun right after that:

Having broken the link Leng spent a few minutes at the apartment’s computer terminal prior to loading the shotgun and returning to the street.

 


at the Terminal doing  what? looking at Porn? 

[OMTING52601]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

See, Gene Roddenberry denouncing it makes it not an example of fanon exclusion. Gene Roddenbery IS Star Trek's canon.

The Wiki guys want to do their best to be in line with both BioWare and the fans, I do not envy their position atm.

Roddenberry didn't comment about it until after the fan reaction, which is the kind of the point, but it's moot and a bit of a segue.

I feel bad about the position the wiki feels they're in, though at the same time, they've kind of painted themselves in a corner, if as you suggest, they feel like they must take everything Bioware offers and canonize it. Like I said, a lamentable outcome, though one they could (at least some what) alter if they chose/voted to do so. It does seem a bit lose/lose for the wiki. Either they end up with a bunch of completely contradictory entries, which makes them seem amateur at best, or they end up asterisking a single entry for "Deception" and fielding questions from newcomers as to what the deal is. I'd choose the latter, personally, but I'm not a member of the wiki and don't expect them to care a whit about my two cents.

And that's not a problem for me, I understand.

[CDRSkyShepard]

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

[vox504]

I get that Bioware would want to keep quiet on this issue, but they are doing a real disservice to the people over at the Mass Effect Wiki by not commenting on this novel's standing in the canon. They work very hard and this silent treatment, not to mention the actual content of the novel, is a slap in the face, in my opinion.

[ZLurps]

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It was multiple POV. Chief, covenant elite, and a grunt. I was able to grit my way through it cause i was so excited for the upcoming game. IIRC there was like 5 different POV characters. If you're big time HALO fan you might get some enjoyment out of it as he doesn't trash the lore in that like he does here.

Okay thanks. Maybe I can get it used for some ridiculously low price. Then I don't know if I want to read it. I may check it just for the things James Faith referred, if I have enough motivation and time.

[ElitePinecone]

Tekko-88 wrote...

Wow who pissed on your cereal this morning...

[ZLurps]

didymos1120 wrote...

He even loads his shotgun right after that:

Having broken the link Leng spent a few minutes at the apartment’s computer terminal prior to loading the shotgun and returning to the street.

That makes two new gems to the list!

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[AngusJimiKeith]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

I vaguely remember something like there being a large block of metal that the gun "shaves" its rounds off of, and because each bullet is so tiny, a single block usually lasts for a full mission.

Modifié par AngusJimiKeith, 02 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[Luigitornado]

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story. 

Modifié par Luigitornado, 02 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[matt-bassist]

holy cow this thread is going the distance! BioWare has no choice but to disown Dietz and remove Deception from the canon!!

[ODST 3]

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Even in Ascension, Karpyshyn wrote that Kahlee Sander's assault rifle was almost out of ammo.

[Luigitornado]

AngusJimiKeith wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

I vaguely remember something like there being a large block of metal that the gun "shaves" its rounds off of, and because each bullet is so tiny, a single block usually lasts for a full mission.

Or it could just be a poor reference to thermal clips. 

[dcal31]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

Actually, I believe the codex for one states that all the shots come from a single block within the weapon and that it is good for at least several thousand shots. And even if if did need "reloaded", it is suspended within some very complicated mass effect fields, that from the description, sound like something you wouldn't want to mess with.

[nitefyre410]

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It was multiple POV. Chief, covenant elite, and a grunt. I was able to grit my way through it cause i was so excited for the upcoming game. IIRC there was like 5 different POV characters. If you're big time HALO fan you might get some enjoyment out of it as he doesn't trash the lore in that like he does here.

Okay thanks. Maybe I can get it used for some ridiculously low price. Then I don't know if I want to read it. I may check it just for the things James Faith referred, if I have enough motivation and time.

 

if  Deception is any indicator of they type of books Mr. Deitz writes I will be avoiding them like the plague. Though if you are interested in Halo Lore  I would recommend  reading Dr.Hasley journal that came with  Collectors editon of Halo:Reach... you should be able to find a PDF out there somewhere. 

[Luigitornado]

matt-bassist wrote...

holy cow this thread is going the distance! BioWare has no choice but to disown Dietz and remove Deception from the canon!!

What would that solve? Make you sleep?

Like really. Of all the books harldy add anything important to the main story line.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 02 février 2012 - 02:17 .

[AngusJimiKeith]

Luigitornado wrote...

AngusJimiKeith wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

I vaguely remember something like there being a large block of metal that the gun "shaves" its rounds off of, and because each bullet is so tiny, a single block usually lasts for a full mission.

Or it could just be a poor reference to thermal clips. 

I agree, but the question I answered was about the actual bullets if I interpreted it right.

[OMTING52601]

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

He even loads his shotgun right after that:

Having broken the link Leng spent a few minutes at the apartment’s computer terminal prior to loading the shotgun and returning to the street.

That makes two new gems to the list!

LOL, if that's verbatim, there's a comma missing after that introductory gerund clause. I gotta get outta this thread if ya'll are gonna keep posting quotes from the book. The editor in me won't be able to stop the red marking.

Good luck everyone! Try not to let your blood pressures get too high^_^

[NYG1991]

Luigitornado wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story. 

seems like dietz was just a hired gun to kill off some characters

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It will sound funny after Deception, but Master Chief suddenly gets emotions in this book, f. e. he start swearing. Most problém is, that this emotions for mostly used very inappropriately.

Like doing wrong "actions" or rather moods in the wrong places?

Like bad timing,  too pathetic and such. Master Chief was tough guy in first book who simply showing his emotions by actions, there suddenly thinking about everything, Dietz simply again must explaining you thing where should't be explantion 

How did he delivered what character was feeling to readers. Was it like describing physical things, feeling nauseous after seeing something bad, or "Oh, that was bad" Master Chief thought grievengly? or something else?

[Yuoaman]

Luigitornado wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story. 

Well the first one set up the Anderson/Saren thing and set up the discovery of Sovereign, the second one set up the quarians' problems with Cerberus, and the third book revealed more about Cerberus and started to set up for ME3.

[Luigitornado]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I'm glad the IGN article explained the major errors (autism, homosexuality, aging) - some of the other articles made the fans look silly.

It still makes you look silly.

[Heraxion]

NYG1991 wrote...



seems like dietz was just a hired gun to kill off some characters

And to quote from Deception: "The assassin was just a tool"

Modifié par Heraxion, 02 février 2012 - 02:14 .

[ZLurps]

dcal31 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.

Boxes of ammo?

Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one.

Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.

Actually, I believe the codex for one states that all the shots come from a single block within the weapon and that it is good for at least several thousand shots. And even if if did need "reloaded", it is suspended within some very complicated mass effect fields, that from the description, sound like something you wouldn't want to mess with.

I recall reading that too.

Then, it fits Leng's character to have 5000 rounds reserve for a sniper rifle.

EDIT: I mean Kai Leng re-imagined that we get in Deception.

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 02:15 .