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[NYG1991]

Second book also introduced the collectors

[Luigitornado]

Yuoaman wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story. 

Well the first one set up the Anderson/Saren thing and set up the discovery of Sovereign, the second one set up the quarians' problems with Cerberus, and the third book revealed more about Cerberus and started to set up for ME3.

All of which was not important.

And since ME3 isn't out yet, you can't really make any connections to the book yet. So again. Drama queens.

[XXIceColdXX]

Bioware please repond us! End this, and remove deception from canon.

Ive been pretty invested in the ME universe since it started, games,dlc,comics and novels. Ive always had high expectations from the Mass Effect team and have been able to live with any of the continuity errors that have shown up until now. But this novel takes the cake.

If Deception isn't removed or partially removed from canon, my faith in any future Mass Effect product will be seriously tarnished, which is very disappointing as I have thoroughly enjoyed the ME universe up till now.

[schwarzaj]

Luigitornado wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story. 

Actually, the second book explained why the Quarians hated Cerberus so much, which was intergral to the first mission and Tali's story elements in ME2.

[Heraxion]

Luigitornado wrote...


All of which was not important.

I wouldn't say that Revelation was not important to the main story. It serves are the prologue, setting events in motion that are concluded in ME1.

[didymos1120]

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

[ZLurps]

nitefyre410 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

There has been some discussion about Dietz other works but I liked to ask something specific.

How good he is with characters. Do his characters have depth and can he write convincing emotional scene?

He wrote one of the HALO novels. It basically enacted the events of the first game so it didn't really have much depth or emotion. It was the worst one of the 3 novels prior to HALO 2 IMO

Thanks. Setting doesn't really give much room for things like character depth, was that written from Master Chief's point of view? I need a bit more than that but for some reason I'm not really all that excited to go buy his other novels.

It was multiple POV. Chief, covenant elite, and a grunt. I was able to grit my way through it cause i was so excited for the upcoming game. IIRC there was like 5 different POV characters. If you're big time HALO fan you might get some enjoyment out of it as he doesn't trash the lore in that like he does here.

Okay thanks. Maybe I can get it used for some ridiculously low price. Then I don't know if I want to read it. I may check it just for the things James Faith referred, if I have enough motivation and time.

 

if  Deception is any indicator of they type of books Mr. Deitz writes I will be avoiding them like the plague. Though if you are interested in Halo Lore  I would recommend  reading Dr.Hasley journal that came with  Collectors editon of Halo:Reach... you should be able to find a PDF out there somewhere. 

Actually Mass Effect Novels are only game tie-in material I have ever read. I used to read a let when I was younger but at some point novels changed to manuals and that sort of things. Thanks for the tip though.

[JamesFaith]

ZLurps wrote...

How did he delivered what character was feeling to readers. Was it like describing physical things, feeling nauseous after seeing something bad, or "Oh, that was bad" Master Chief thought grievengly? or something else?

Sorry, havenť this book in English, so I canť post it, because even translator had eliminated big part of Dietz specific  style, this sentences is simply untranslatable. You must find it by that nasty hard dirty way - by reading another Dietz.

[Luigitornado]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Bioware please repond us! End this, and remove deception from canon.

Ive been pretty invested in the ME universe since it started, games,dlc,comics and novels. Ive always had high expectations from the Mass Effect team and have been able to live with any of the continuity errors that have shown up until now. But this novel takes the cake.

If Deception isn't removed or partially removed from canon, my faith in any future Mass Effect product will be seriously tarnished, which is very disappointing as I have thoroughly enjoyed the ME universe up till now.

What is it that bothers you so much? Grow up.

Take the mistakes as mistakes in canon and be done with it. Does it really decrease the value of the Mass Effect universe?

[Luigitornado]

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 02 février 2012 - 02:21 .

[nitefyre410]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

How did he delivered what character was feeling to readers. Was it like describing physical things, feeling nauseous after seeing something bad, or "Oh, that was bad" Master Chief thought grievengly? or something else?

Sorry, havenť this book in English, so I canť post it, because even translator had eliminated big part of Dietz specific  style, this sentences is simply untranslatable. You must find it by that nasty hard dirty way - by reading another Dietz.

 


So your telling me that not even Google Translate could translate   parts of this book.... 

smh 

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

How did he delivered what character was feeling to readers. Was it like describing physical things, feeling nauseous after seeing something bad, or "Oh, that was bad" Master Chief thought grievengly? or something else?

Sorry, havenť this book in English, so I canť post it, because even translator had eliminated big part of Dietz specific  style, this sentences is simply untranslatable. You must find it by that nasty hard dirty way - by reading another Dietz.

NOOOO!!

Well, I see if I ever manage to do that. Thanks.

[didymos1120]

Luigitornado wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

That doesn't answer my question. 

[izmirtheastarach]

Luigitornado wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

To you. And you've made that clear. And pretty much everyone here disagrees with you. So what's you point?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 02 février 2012 - 02:24 .

[Yuoaman]

Luigitornado wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

Make your own thread to complain about people complaining - it's our opinion that this is a big deal, and I'm sorry if you can't deal with opinions which differ from your own, but it's something you have to deal with.

And for those who care I'll be streaming a dramatic reading of the prologue in a couple of hours, as long as the technology cooperates.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 02 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[JamesFaith]

Don't feed trolls. They maybe looks cute, but give them food once and they will come again and again for another.

[nitefyre410]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

To you. And you've made that clear. And pretty much everyone here disagrees with you. So what's you point?

 

 He's trolling... cleverly I might add   but still trolling   

JamesFaith wrote...

Don't feed trolls. They maybe looks cute, but give them food once and they will come again and again for another.

 

Don't feed them after Midnight espiecally or bad things happen.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[MJvasNormandy]

Luigitornado wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Luigi, what's your goal here? You don't give a crap. We do. End of. You're not gonna convince anyone here to not care.

Because it IS NOT a BIG deal. And if people want to complain about the book, then I have a right to complain about the complainers.

If you want to defend the book, do so. Reference it, use examples, and explain why it can be justified in the ME universe and will have no impact on ME3 or the franchise.

Do not, however, come here to insult others and their opinions.

[ElitePinecone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Now that I think of it the sole purpose of the book was for TIM to get Grayson's body so he could make more Adjutants.

That's it. Everything else is just there for no real reason.

EDIT: Oh, you mean Paul Grayson. Yes, that looks like the point of the novel.

It's something they could've explained in one line in ME3.

____

Yeah, except he didn't get it, remember?

Kai Leng left he with a toothbrush sticking out of her neck and got off Omega. 

It was up to Anderson and Kahlee to find her body. 

That's the thing - I can't work out how it makes any sense for Cerberus to just kill her. She's one of the most powerful human biotics who has ever existed, and they have drugs that can easily strip a biotic of their power. 

Heck, capturing and holding her for study could've even made a nice setup for future novels or ME3. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 02 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[didymos1120]

There was a soft pop as the silencer did its job, the rifle butt kicked his shoulder, and the projectile spiraled down toward its target.

How would a silencer work with a mass accelerator weapon?

[Heimdall]

Luigitornado wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Bioware please repond us! End this, and remove deception from canon.

Ive been pretty invested in the ME universe since it started, games,dlc,comics and novels. Ive always had high expectations from the Mass Effect team and have been able to live with any of the continuity errors that have shown up until now. But this novel takes the cake.

If Deception isn't removed or partially removed from canon, my faith in any future Mass Effect product will be seriously tarnished, which is very disappointing as I have thoroughly enjoyed the ME universe up till now.

What is it that bothers you so much? Grow up.

Take the mistakes as mistakes in canon and be done with it. Does it really decrease the value of the Mass Effect universe?

Yes it does

If you don't care so much why are you here complaining about us caring?

[Luigitornado]

schwarzaj wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing..

To be fair, all of the books, with exception of the first one. Have had minimal effects on the main story.

Actually, the second book explained why the Quarians hated Cerberus so much, which was intergral to the first mission and Tali's story elements in ME2.

Not really. Cerberus is pro-human. They are not trusted by other species (even humans) because of there reputation. Not really surprising.

[izmirtheastarach]

I really liked the word didy used. Goal. What is the goal of a person like that What is their purpose? Just to annoy others?

[nitefyre410]

didymos1120 wrote...

There was a soft pop as the silencer did its job, the rifle butt kicked his shoulder, and the projectile spiraled down toward its target.

How would a silencer work with a mass accelerator weapon?

 

Before we  get to that... its  a Suppressor and Deitz is supposed to be  have experience writing Miltary Sci-Fi novels. 


Secondly how  does one suppress  a mass accelerator weapon that does not use gun podwer ?