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If I only manage 10 pages a day, it will hopefully take me no more than 30 days. A goal of less than that would be better.

Anyway, the first 11 pages of my rewrite are done. Let me know if there is anything you don't like.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Xaero_Dumort/I%27m_going_to_attempt_to_rewrite_Mass_Effect:_Deception Post comments on my blog on the wiki. Or send me a PM here.
docs.google.com/document/d/1EqvOy48Oa4lMR2dLnXC36nW5D5GlcjCGGVbGH3zSkKI/preview Read the work so far here.

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chengthao wrote...

i got a "pistol" that goes BOOM, or rather i go BOOM when i explodeImage IPB


BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

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Oh, man. I haven't laughed that hard since Jeff wrote his first bit of parody on day two of this thread.


For anyone who missed this piece of comedy:

JeffZero wrote...

MASS EFFECT: REPULSION
Jeff O'Connor

As you know, Admiral Anderson once held the rank of Spectre for almost twenty years. While he admired the asari gracefully gliding on their mass effect fields in the middle of the President, the most luxurious hotel in the pineapple-shaped Citadel, the immaculate Kahlee Vega smiled.

"As you know, I'm beautiful," Vega commented as she Force Pushed the argumentative Nick with her Level 9001 biotics. It was then that the scientist discovered the existence of the Reapers via telepathy.

Leng came racing around a corner, air-dropped by The Illusive Man himself. Although his legs were in tremendous pain, he managed to backflip off of the Citadel Spire, tallest building in the pear-shaped embassy and home to the Proconsul. "As you know, I'm related to Altair."

"As you know, Gillian is 47," chimed in Anderson (David).



Lmfao, Is there more?

#10029
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didymos1120 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

i got a "pistol" that goes BOOM, or rather i go BOOM when i explodeImage IPB


BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!


Boom headshot writing fail.

Seriously though, I am looking forward to that rewrite. Where's the one that was posted on ff.net?

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I have a confession to make to all my anti-Deception mates. Hear me out, good folks, please.

Last month (2nd January, this year), I was told, by an acquaintance, that Deception was, and I quote "Shameful ******." I scoffed at him (having never read Deception myself) and we had a short yelling match during which he pointed me at this thread and the Google doc in particular. So fine, I said, I'd look into all the so-called discrepancies and laugh at the nitpicks that all you self absorbed and arrogant twits get up to. As it happened, events in life took all my time, and I put Deception out of my mind, until today. I saw the thread title once more, and reminded myself that I needed to be reminded about the arrogance of these forum trawlers (i.e, all of you). So I smugly opened the Google doc and started reading.
Two hours have passed since then, and I feel terrible ashamed that I went into it fully intending to take Dietz's side in this argument. I can say nothing more beyond 'I was wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.'
With my confession complete, I humbly ask that the anti-Deception alliance accept my most humble and sincere apologies for assuming, for even a moment, that any of you were wrong. Three decades of shame will not cleanse me of the crime I just commited, not in light of what I just read.


Thank you for reading, mates. Forgive me.

Modifié par SnakeStrike8, 02 février 2012 - 03:44 .


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dcal31 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.


Boxes of ammo?


Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one. :D


Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.


Actually, I believe the codex for one states that all the shots come from a single block within the weapon and that it is good for at least several thousand shots. And even if if did need "reloaded", it is suspended within some very complicated mass effect fields, that from the description, sound like something you wouldn't want to mess with.


I do remember that, but what do you do when you run out of stuff to shoot? Replace the gun? Seems like a very impractical solution. I'm sure the mass accelerator for the weapon is independent of the "magazine" enough that you can switch out ammunition blocks.

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Anacronian Stryx wrote...

So i tried to explain how bad this book is to a co-worker..

Me :"Remember Highlander 2?"

Him : "Grrrrr.."

Me : "You got it" :D


Highlander 2 wasn't this bad. This is Highlander: The Source.

...THIS IS THE EEEEEEEEEEEEND OF TIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

#10033
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SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I have a confession to make to all my anti-Deception mates. Hear me out, good folks, please.

Last month (2nd January, this year), I was told, by an acquaintance, that Deception was, and I quote "Shameful ******." I scoffed at him (having never read Deception myself) and we had a short yelling match during which he pointed me at this thread and the Google doc in particular. So fine, I said, I'd look into all the so-called discrepancies and laugh at the nitpicks that all you self absorbed and arrogant twits get up to. As it happened, event in life took all my time ,and I put Deception out of my mind, until today. I saw the thread title once more, and reminded myself that I needed to be reminded about the arrogance of these forum trawlers (i.e, all of you). So I smugly opened the Google doc and started reading.
Two hours have passed since then, and I feel terrible ashamed that I went into it fully intending to take Dietz's side in this argument. I can say nothing more beyond 'I was wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.'
With my confession complete, I humbly ask that the anti-Deception alliance accept my most humble and sincere apologies for assuming, for even a moment, that any of you were wrong. Three decades of shame will not cleanse me of the crime I just commited, not in light of what I just read.


Thank you for reading, mates. Forgive me.


Flog yourself 400 times and say 100 000 "Hail Karpyshyns"

Nah, not really. It's fine. Glad you saw reason.

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SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I have a confession to make to all my anti-Deception mates. Hear me out, good folks, please.

Last month (2nd January, this year), I was told, by an acquaintance, that Deception was, and I quote "Shameful ******." I scoffed at him (having never read Deception myself) and we had a short yelling match during which he pointed me at this thread and the Google doc in particular. So fine, I said, I'd look into all the so-called discrepancies and laugh at the nitpicks that all you self absorbed and arrogant twits get up to. As it happened, events in life took all my time, and I put Deception out of my mind, until today. I saw the thread title once more, and reminded myself that I needed to be reminded about the arrogance of these forum trawlers (i.e, all of you). So I smugly opened the Google doc and started reading.
Two hours have passed since then, and I feel terrible ashamed that I went into it fully intending to take Dietz's side in this argument. I can say nothing more beyond 'I was wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.'
With my confession complete, I humbly ask that the anti-Deception alliance accept my most humble and sincere apologies for assuming, for even a moment, that any of you were wrong. Three decades of shame will not cleanse me of the crime I just commited, not in light of what I just read.


Thank you for reading, mates. Forgive me.


But... the doc was created over the weekend...

...is this a reference to the screwy time scale? God I hope so.

#10035
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SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I have a confession to make to all my anti-Deception mates. Hear me out, good folks, please.

Last month (2nd January, this year), I was told, by an acquaintance, that Deception was, and I quote "Shameful ******." I scoffed at him (having never read Deception myself) and we had a short yelling match during which he pointed me at this thread and the Google doc in particular. So fine, I said, I'd look into all the so-called discrepancies and laugh at the nitpicks that all you self absorbed and arrogant twits get up to. As it happened, events in life took all my time, and I put Deception out of my mind, until today. I saw the thread title once more, and reminded myself that I needed to be reminded about the arrogance of these forum trawlers (i.e, all of you). So I smugly opened the Google doc and started reading.
Two hours have passed since then, and I feel terrible ashamed that I went into it fully intending to take Dietz's side in this argument. I can say nothing more beyond 'I was wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.'
With my confession complete, I humbly ask that the anti-Deception alliance accept my most humble and sincere apologies for assuming, for even a moment, that any of you were wrong. Three decades of shame will not cleanse me of the crime I just commited, not in light of what I just read.


Thank you for reading, mates. Forgive me.

 


Redemption is possible the heart and must spirit must sincere  for the flesh weak and will give in to tempation
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:lol:  

Oh come on man its  cool I was never big for this complaint threads either but I read that Google .doc  and  these are not just minor little errors that can be explained away. 

#10036
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...I'll get the whip. When I'm done, I'll photograph my back and send you the picture, Turkey.

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SnakeStrike8 wrote...

I have a confession to make to all my anti-Deception mates. Hear me out, good folks, please.

Last month (2nd January, this year), I was told, by an acquaintance, that Deception was, and I quote "Shameful ******." I scoffed at him (having never read Deception myself) and we had a short yelling match during which he pointed me at this thread and the Google doc in particular. So fine, I said, I'd look into all the so-called discrepancies and laugh at the nitpicks that all you self absorbed and arrogant twits get up to. As it happened, events in life took all my time, and I put Deception out of my mind, until today. I saw the thread title once more, and reminded myself that I needed to be reminded about the arrogance of these forum trawlers (i.e, all of you). So I smugly opened the Google doc and started reading.
Two hours have passed since then, and I feel terrible ashamed that I went into it fully intending to take Dietz's side in this argument. I can say nothing more beyond 'I was wrong. Terribly, terribly wrong.'
With my confession complete, I humbly ask that the anti-Deception alliance accept my most humble and sincere apologies for assuming, for even a moment, that any of you were wrong. Three decades of shame will not cleanse me of the crime I just commited, not in light of what I just read.



Thank you for reading, mates. Forgive me.


Welcome aboard friend.

#10038
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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.


Boxes of ammo?


Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one. :D


Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.


Actually, I believe the codex for one states that all the shots come from a single block within the weapon and that it is good for at least several thousand shots. And even if if did need "reloaded", it is suspended within some very complicated mass effect fields, that from the description, sound like something you wouldn't want to mess with.


I do remember that, but what do you do when you run out of stuff to shoot? Replace the gun? Seems like a very impractical solution. I'm sure the mass accelerator for the weapon is independent of the "magazine" enough that you can switch out ammunition blocks.


I didn't find original Codex stuff I was looking for but ammo capasity is really in thousands:
"Modern infantry weapons are micro-scaled mass accelerators, using mass-reducing fields and magnetic force to propel miniature slugs to lethal speeds. Nearly every gun on the battlefield is laden with features, from targeting auto-assists to projectile shavers that can generate thousands of rounds of ammunition from a small, internal block of metal."

With such ammo capasity I really don't see a problem if "mags" were replaced by specialist (gunnery chief?) by using equipment designed to task between missions.

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 03:56 .


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ODST 3 wrote...

Mass Effect: Deception, The Audio Book

www.youtube.com/watch


This is brilliant.

Though, I must say, that Prothean egg thing sounded cool...too bad it's the only thing so far I like about the book. (Page 136...)

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schwarzaj wrote...

Image IPB

I meant this.:sick:


DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Mass Effect: Deception, The Audio Book

www.youtube.com/watch


This is brilliant.

Though, I must say, that Prothean egg thing sounded cool...too bad it's the only thing so far I like about the book. (Page 136...)


I thought the biotic sparring thing was a nice idea.  Unfortunately marred by all that "Level Two-Going-On-Three" nonsense.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 février 2012 - 03:59 .


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Not sure if you know it, but apparently the unhappiness with Deception has made it to the attention of IGDaily where it was put down to people being upset "over inaccuracies, misspellings and typos", but not because the book is a piece of junk. Although they did funnily report that one person who bought the book burnt his copy after reading it because it was 'that bad'.

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ZLurps wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

dcal31 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Here's another oddity:

He was already wearing a very serviceable set of light armor, and carrying a Kassa Fabrications Razer pistol. But, per his request, a Sokolov shotgun and a Vesper sniper rifle had been left for him. Boxes of ammo and two cleaning kits were available as well.


Boxes of ammo?


Damn, I read that, I don't know how many of us read that but never got that! * Thumbs up*

Major issue with this one. :D


Surely they have to replace ammo at some point, I've always wondered how the actual "reloading" mechanism works for the guns...they have to reload less often, but you have to replace heat sinks and magazines...there is no way for it to have infinite ammo. Lol.


Actually, I believe the codex for one states that all the shots come from a single block within the weapon and that it is good for at least several thousand shots. And even if if did need "reloaded", it is suspended within some very complicated mass effect fields, that from the description, sound like something you wouldn't want to mess with.


I do remember that, but what do you do when you run out of stuff to shoot? Replace the gun? Seems like a very impractical solution. I'm sure the mass accelerator for the weapon is independent of the "magazine" enough that you can switch out ammunition blocks.


I didn't find original Codex stuff I was looking for but ammo capasity is really in thousands:
"Modern infantry weapons are micro-scaled mass accelerators, using mass-reducing fields and magnetic force to propel miniature slugs to lethal speeds. Nearly every gun on the battlefield is laden with features, from targeting auto-assists to projectile shavers that can generate thousands of rounds of ammunition from a small, internal block of metal."

With such ammo capasity I really don't see a problem if "mags" were replaced by specialist (gunnery chief?) by using equipment designed to task between missions.


Well, it looks like you just need to stick a chunk of metal into it after a few hours of firing.

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didymos1120 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Mass Effect: Deception, The Audio Book

www.youtube.com/watch


This is brilliant.

Though, I must say, that Prothean egg thing sounded cool...too bad it's the only thing so far I like about the book. (Page 136...)


I though the biotic sparring thing was a nice idea.  Unfortunately marred by all that "Level Two-Going-On-Three" nonsense.


Same the whole Biotic level thing annoyed me.

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Slayer299 wrote...

Not sure if you know it, but apparently the unhappiness with Deception has made it to the attention of IGDaily where it was put down to people being upset "over inaccuracies, misspellings and typos", but not because the book is a piece of junk. Although they did funnily report that one person who bought the book burnt his copy after reading it because it was 'that bad'.


Gaming media is in difficult position. Staff probably thinks twice before posting anything too negative and risking getting an interview etc.

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didymos1120 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Mass Effect: Deception, The Audio Book

www.youtube.com/watch


This is brilliant.

Though, I must say, that Prothean egg thing sounded cool...too bad it's the only thing so far I like about the book. (Page 136...)


I thought the biotic sparring thing was a nice idea.  Unfortunately marred by all that "Level Two-Going-On-Three" nonsense.


I would have liked it better if when I learned what "The Cube" actually was, I didn't automatically think, "He ripped off Tron..."

Re Ammo Blocks: I have used up over a thousand rounds on my SMG before on a mission...there's gotta be a way to change them out in the field if you find yourself stranded and needing the extra ammo. It's not like it would be hard to carry around ammunition blocks and replace them since you get so much ammo out of one block.

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Hold on guys. I blew out my level three biotic implants eating cereal this morning. I found this salarian behind a Kroger who said he'd replace them with a level 4 HMBA amp. Should only take three or four srsly non-toxic slugs of pure beryllium and an hour or two.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Mass Effect: Deception, The Audio Book

www.youtube.com/watch


This is brilliant.

Though, I must say, that Prothean egg thing sounded cool...too bad it's the only thing so far I like about the book. (Page 136...)


I though the biotic sparring thing was a nice idea.  Unfortunately marred by all that "Level Two-Going-On-Three" nonsense.


Same the whole Biotic level thing annoyed me.


I still wonder if that level thing and way he puts biotic power name in quotes is sort of trolling.

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ZLurps wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Not sure if you know it, but apparently the unhappiness with Deception has made it to the attention of IGDaily where it was put down to people being upset "over inaccuracies, misspellings and typos", but not because the book is a piece of junk. Although they did funnily report that one person who bought the book burnt his copy after reading it because it was 'that bad'.


Gaming media is in difficult position. Staff probably thinks twice before posting anything too negative and risking getting an interview etc.


Well keep the pressure on em till Bioware respond. Bioware will thank us oneday, tampering with lore and continuity is a sure fire way to kill your fanbase.

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Right then. Guess I am just going to throw my two cents in as well.

I have been a fan of Bioware for years. I love their products, I admire the passion and vigor they pour into their projects, and I have the utmost respect for the hard work they put into making their fans happy and in putting out the best games they possibly can. I can not wait for ME3, I have confidence in it being an amazing, and possibly one of the best games of this generation.

Now, while I generally do not lend much credence to the books, indeed, I view them more as a side dish to a full course meal, a little appetizer to whet the appetite, and thus, nothing to really scrutinize, I do have to say I find the shear lack of regard for characters, canon, and story in Deception to be outright deplorable.

Sure, Gillian, Hendel, and Nick are not in any of the games, they are just characters in these books and I do not really feel much attatchment to them. However, changing the ages for... reasons, I guess, and disregarding Gillian's autism, amongst other things, is just ****** poor writing. I am sorry, but this is unnacceptable.

Worse, I feel, is the treatment of Leng. Let me start by saying that yes, I have read the leaked script, and I personally have been looking greatly forward to Leng's appearance in Mass Effect 3. Finally, a foil, a really awesome, love to hate foil for Shepard, a threat, a character that can go toe to toe with our protagonist...

And he steals people's cereal? What?

And these characters, Gillian especially, that had been being built up for several books now, just die senselessly. Pointlessly. I find it depressing.

So while I have scarcely complained of Bioware or EA's handling of the Mass Effect series, hell, I have been one of their staunchest defenders, I can not, as a fan and as a consumer, support the idiocy that is this novel. If any Bioware representatives read this, I hope they will listen to the very fair requests for this book being made non-canon.

Because the games, the lore, the characters that you guys at Bioware have made are truly great feats of creativity, and you deserve better than this garbage.