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[LPPrince]

Just because Ms. Choppaz has an awesome avvy, here's it in the original size-

[Chewin]

Fenris_13 wrote...
I've read the novel, and believe it or not, Cerberus is portraid well in the book (for once). They act successfully, and actually think like a "secret" organization, not running around with guns blazing. And Leng does achieve in every assigment he gets from TIM, and TIM isn't hadning out stupid ones. Of course you could argue that the plot dictates, but it's still there. And Dietz managed to portray Leng similair to in Retribution.

The book still sucks IMO, but it is there.

Could you elaborate that. What makes them "good" in the book, other than them acting as an organization?

Modifié par Chewin3, 02 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[LPPrince]

Chewin3 wrote...

Fenris_13 wrote...
I've read the novel, and believe it or not, Cerberus is portraid well in the book (for once). They act successfully, and actually think like a "secret" organization, not running around with guns blazing. And Leng does achieve in every assigment he gets from TIM, and TIM isn't hadning out stupid ones. Of course you could argue that the plot dictates, but it's still there. And Dietz managed to portray Leng similair to in Retribution.

The book still sucks IMO, but it is there.

Could you elaborate that. What makes them "good" in the book, other than them acting as an organization?

Also, Leng works for Cerberus, and he made the idiotic decision to eat Anderson's cereal which gave it away.

[Someone With Mass]

LPPrince wrote...

Nick-"Gillian, what does the visor say about his power level?"

Gillian-"ITS OVER LEVEL TWO!!!!!!!!!!"

Nick-"OVER LEVEL TWO!? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!"

Gillian: Wait, wait. Nick! I had the visor upside down. It's over level three.

Nick: But why do you sound so bored?

Gillian: Because, he's not a threat.

Nick: But--

Gillian: To me. Only to me.

[nitefyre410]

Damn it -its so bad you can't even Meme it to make sense..

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[RiflemanUK]

LPPrince wrote...

Just because Ms. Choppaz has an awesome avvy, here's it in the original size-

Have you listened to the "audio book" yet?

Modifié par RiflemanUK, 02 février 2012 - 01:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Chewin3 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd almost consider reading this book as a form of torture.

It's not that bad. If you mind the cereal eating, urinating on vases, the toothbrush, Leng is portraid quite well. Same goes for TIM. For the majority of Cerberus as well.

Though that's only what I've heard.

WEll....to be frank, real-word snipers have to spend hours, days in one spot. So they do urinate in bottles.

[roflchoppaz]

Audio book? Audio book where!

[RiflemanUK]

Just the prologue for now.

Prologue (Mass Effect: Deception Audio Book)

Modifié par RiflemanUK, 02 février 2012 - 01:32 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Was that dramatic reading done yet?

[jayred vas normandy]

the book isn't that bad. problem is it hardly feels like ME. also i'm now 275 pages in and it still feels like nothings really happened. overall the book isn't that bad a read just don't go in thinking its gonna feel like its Mass Effect

[Chewin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
WEll....to be frank, real-word snipers have to spend hours, days in one spot. So they do urinate in bottles.

I'm getting a TF2 vibe now.

[XyleJKH]

The book is a travesty... 420 pages in a short time... why isn't BioWare responding to this

[nitefyre410]

XyleJKH wrote...

The book is a travesty... 420 pages in a short time... why isn't BioWare responding to this

 

Plausible denibilty ...? 

[JEMEDAOME2]

nitefyre410 wrote...

XyleJKH wrote...

The book is a travesty... 420 pages in a short time... why isn't BioWare responding to this

 

Plausible denibilty ...? 

BSN: Bioware why haven't you disavowed this book from canon?

Bioware: what book?  Whistles Nonchalanty

[ZLurps]

More media coverage. News story Deception and fan effort in Finnish Dome.

http://dome.fi/pelit...taynna-virheita

Loose translation of the headline: Fans raging, Mass Effect book filled with errors


Article is very positive towards what people are doing here. Short summary:

"...Mass Effect novels has been okay to read and been succesful in expanding the ME universe, characters, choices and consequences of those choices happening in the background.

Latest novel however takes a bit different direction. Earlier ME books were written by Drew Karpyshyn, but Deception is written by William C. Dietz. And it looks like Dietz is a bit.. " (this just wont translate to English but they mean that what comes to Dietz understanding of ME universe, he may not have all the The Council members in the Citadel, so to say).

Then article speaks about fan effort here and error doc, and says that this isn't usual nit picking but errors are very serious and won't fit in ME canon.

In the end they say:
"(when) Reading throug the list of errors it becomes obvious that the author and editors really weren't exactly up to task."

Dome is huge in Finland. Good job guys!

I'll sent PM to Jeff Zero to add this in the OP

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 01:56 .

[JamesFaith]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd almost consider reading this book as a form of torture.

It's not that bad. If you mind the cereal eating, urinating on vases, the toothbrush, Leng is portraid quite well. Same goes for TIM. For the majority of Cerberus as well.

Though that's only what I've heard.

WEll....to be frank, real-word snipers have to spend hours, days in one spot. So they do urinate in bottles.

Well, we donť making fun from fact that he want to urinate in vaze. Source of our fun is that Dietz wrote he want to "pee in vaze", like Leng was five years old child. 

[nitefyre410]

JEMEDAOME2 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

XyleJKH wrote...

The book is a travesty... 420 pages in a short time... why isn't BioWare responding to this

 

Plausible denibilty ...? 

BSN: Bioware why haven't you disavowed this book from canon?

Bioware: what book?  Whistles Nonchalanty

 


Bioware: We  can neither confirm or deny the existence of  a book titled  Mass Effect Deception.   

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[Troodon80]

Don't know if it has been posted yet, but there's two other complaint letters about Deception.

One on GameFAQs and one on GameSpot. Didn't see it in the OP, so I didn't know.

[J4N3_M3]

i'm wondering what their contracts with writers say. I mean, Dietz names three people in his acknowledgement. Hudson, Walters and Pasternak. Dietz also claims in his letter that he got his outline confirmed and once a first draft was submitted, Bioware reviewed it line by line. Now if these three people are named in the acknowledgement, one could assume they have been his main contacts in this process. So in all of this, not only did Dietz write it, but at least three people at Bioware screwed this up, two of them being involved with the Mass Effect universe in a way where you'd expect them to KNOW their deal. So what the hell happened? I mean, sure, things can be screwed up, it happens. At least own up to the fact that it happened. Can it be that hard?

[nitefyre410]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i'm wondering what their contracts with writers say. I mean, Dietz names three people in his acknowledgement. Hudson, Walters and Pasternak. Dietz also claims in his letter that he got his outline confirmed and once a first draft was submitted, Bioware reviewed it line by line. Now if these three people are named in the acknowledgement, one could assume they have been his main contacts in this process. So in all of this, not only did Dietz write it, but at least three people at Bioware screwed this up, two of them being involved with the Mass Effect universe in a way where you'd expect them to KNOW their deal. So what the hell happened? I mean, sure, things can be screwed up, it happens. At least own up to the fact that it happened. Can it be that hard?

 


Yes things can be screwed up but this  smells of complete lack of oversight  -  which he adimitted somewhat in his email.  Also it comes back to very poor, poor quality control because as  you pointed   not only are the numorous  lore errors.  There are also terrible writing errors that  almost anyone with basic command of the English Language can point out.  

If he and Bioware say this was book was edited...I'm saying that is complete and total  BS. 

There is now way in the world  that happen - not on the  authors end or on the editor and publishers end.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 février 2012 - 02:00 .

[ZLurps]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i'm wondering what their contracts with writers say. I mean, Dietz names three people in his acknowledgement. Hudson, Walters and Pasternak. Dietz also claims in his letter that he got his outline confirmed and once a first draft was submitted, Bioware reviewed it line by line. Now if these three people are named in the acknowledgement, one could assume they have been his main contacts in this process. So in all of this, not only did Dietz write it, but at least three people at Bioware screwed this up, two of them being involved with the Mass Effect universe in a way where you'd expect them to KNOW their deal. So what the hell happened? I mean, sure, things can be screwed up, it happens. At least own up to the fact that it happened. Can it be that hard?

Perhaps Hudson and Walters are mentioned just to make book look like someone with real knowledge of the ME universe has read it. It could be just another marketing tool to make it look more convincing in the eyes of fans and what really happened is that Hudson and Walter's assistants were supposed to do this, then perhaps they delegated the job for someone and so on.

Tricia Palsternak is Transmedia Producer and Senior Editor for Random House Worlds. I don't think she also works for BioWare.

Modifié par ZLurps, 02 février 2012 - 02:05 .

[JamesFaith]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i'm wondering what their contracts with writers say. I mean, Dietz names three people in his acknowledgement. Hudson, Walters and Pasternak. Dietz also claims in his letter that he got his outline confirmed and once a first draft was submitted, Bioware reviewed it line by line. Now if these three people are named in the acknowledgement, one could assume they have been his main contacts in this process. So in all of this, not only did Dietz write it, but at least three people at Bioware screwed this up, two of them being involved with the Mass Effect universe in a way where you'd expect them to KNOW their deal. So what the hell happened? I mean, sure, things can be screwed up, it happens. At least own up to the fact that it happened. Can it be that hard?

There is also possibility that these three pesone in acknowledgement are simply reffered only because it's decorum. Yes, someone must read this book and send it to print but not necesseraly all these three people.

[ElitePinecone]

as

J4N3_M3 wrote...
Can it be that hard? 

The ME team, *especially* the higher-ups, are extremely busy throughout the whole dev process. They have their own work to do plus managing teams, press stuff, media stuff, marketing appearances...

I'm not going to make excuses for not reading the book properly (and some of the lore errors that made it through the checking process are ridiculous) but on the list of things they have to do in making sure ME3 is finished properly, ensuring a tie-in novel is correct lore-wise is a pretty low priority. 

Maybe it shouldn't be. If you're going to write a tie-in novel and give it the imprimatur of Bioware's authority, it'd better not be full of mistakes.