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[JamesFaith]

Grey34 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 


i assume you got a plan? 

He just start it. There is completely politely innocent question on Dietz profile now. Lets see how Butcher of Citadel will react.

[Yuoaman]

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh god that's hilarious.

[schwarzaj]

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He just start it. There is completely politely innocent question on Dietz profile now. Lets see how Butcher of Citadel will react. [/quote]

That title is perfect for Dietz. The BSN is behind you body, don't let us down!

[Yuoaman]

Khran1505 wrote...

Xaero_Dumort wrote...

docs.google.com/document/d/1AtDZV5j8fiAVpZ0OHsRQiWXMKdgCOoz66rAaGpx_YFE/preview

Mass Effect: Deception re-write progress update!

Finished through chapter one. It takes a lot more effor than I thought it would. But I have fixed a great many of inconsitencies and lore/canon errors already. Please PM suggestions and the like to me, or check my blog, on the wiki.

Also PM grammar and other mistakes. Keep in mind they won't be fixed right away. First the re-write then the edit of the re-write.

It's a much more entertaining read than the original, but in Chapter 1 it falls into the same lore error as Dietz's work. When you talk about the council, you bring up that they're multi-races. While some of us chose to have either the original council with Udina/Anderson taking the human councilor role or a human chairman with whatever other council members would arise, some others chose for a human-exclusive council in the end of ME1.

Just saying you might want to change that to accommodate those renegades around BSN. Ascension and Retribution got away with it so Deception should be no different.

Don't you never actually meet the full Council if the original one dies in ME2? If so, then there's no real error.

[The Love Runner]

COOL!! We have a robot from the past who agrees with BSN about the book:

[Grey34]

LPPrince wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 


i assume you got a plan? 

I'm leading this thing for a reason, ya know. Hah.

I'm just gonna ask him politely for his opinion on the matters at hand.

yeah that's cool i hope it works 

[LPPrince]

Yuoaman wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh god that's hilarious.

He has no clue he just added the guy who...

Goddang, Dietz.

But I'm a Prince. I know of honor and decency. I will show him respect and kindness, regardless of my feelings for the novel.

I would just like to hear his side of the story.

[Heraxion]

LPPrince wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 


i assume you got a plan? 

I'm leading this thing for a reason, ya know. Hah.

I'm just gonna ask him politely for his opinion on the matters at hand.

Ask him more about how the editing process was. What kind of feedback he got etc.

As far as i'm concerned the bioware editors are equally responsible for the state of affairs in this book.

[Heimdall]

LPPrince wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh god that's hilarious.

He has no clue he just added the guy who...

Goddang, Dietz.

But I'm a Prince. I know of honor and decency. I will show him respect and kindness, regardless of my feelings for the novel.

I would just like to hear his side of the story.

I somehow doubt you'll get the honest and frank version.

[ElitePinecone]

JamesFaith wrote...

I have a question. In Deception is woman from Cerberus, Mott, who watching over Leng, and then TIM send someone to watch over her. Do you think that there is also someone who watching over this watcher watching over that watcher watching over Leng?

That bit confused me. It was like the author wanted to show us how paranoid TIM was, or how he subjected even his top agents to surveillance. 

But two things:

- When was Mott ever anything but loyal? Or even Kai Leng? Having an army of people watching over people watching over people watching over people seems like an incredible waste of resources. Cerberus has what, a few hundred personnel? 

- If TIM had Mott on hand to watch Kai Leng, and someone he could immediately assign to watch over Mott, why on earth was Kai Leng acting alone? Where was his squad? I can almost kinda believe the Biotic Underground captured Kai Leng on their own, but against a squad of soldiers? 

It would've been fine if the book had explained Cerberus had to be discreet on Omega, so TIM only sent Kai Leng. But nothing of the sort is established, and it makes me wonder why they didn't just sent a bunch of soldiers with Leng anyway. 

(he even had to hire his own mercs!)

[Derah]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Derah wrote...

I really can't believe I'm saying this, but M.Night Shyalaman's version of "The Last Airbender" almost seems GOOD if compared to this book.

For all the defilement he did to the source material, Dietz just outdid him in every way possible.

 

You want to know something that really is going to hurt  your avatar fandom..


the Writers and creators of the Series... also produced and wrote the screen play for that movie. 

Sorry but no.

They gave Shyalaman Full creative freedom to write and direct the movie in any way he saw fit (A dumb move too but not as bad as the alternative you suggested)

Those horrible scribbles that looked like made by a child instead of the authentic chinese caligraphy shown on the show? that was Shyalaman.

Those "martial arts" movements that look more like seizure movements? that was Shyalaman ( in fact ,Sifu Kisu, the martial arts consultant used on the show to make it as authentic as possible offered shyalaman his help AND HE TURNED HIM DOWN)

casting people from different races? shyalaman.

changing the names and personalities of just about everyone? Shyalaman

Changing the role of the Avatar as a Judicator of balance and justice to a cheap jesus knock-off complete with SYMBOLISM? Shyalaman.

and the sad part is, that despite how badly he butchered the source material, he was still given full freedom by NICKELODEON to do all those changes without needing permission, or imput from the creator of the show, Michael Dimartino.

A similar case happened here. Bioware gave Dietz full creative freedom to take as many artistic licences as he wanted with the source material, but then either neglected to review it and see just how badly he mangled the universe they worked so hard to weave, or (worst) they reviewed it, and didn't cared.

Its specially painful how Casey was endorsing this book on his tweeter account because the same sad implication is there.

Either he never read it in the first place  (and thus lied to us in order to motivate us to buy the book) or worst, he did read it, and for some bizzare reason didn't found out the MASSIVE errors contained within.

Dunno which one is worst though.

few can <_<

[LPPrince]

If you look at his page, you'll know what I asked.

I just want his thoughts. That's all. Nothing else. No explanations, no apologies, no regrets.

Just his thoughts.

Modifié par LPPrince, 03 février 2012 - 02:28 .

[schwarzaj]

LPPrince wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh god that's hilarious.

He has no clue he just added the guy who...

Goddang, Dietz.

But I'm a Prince. I know of honor and decency. I will show him respect and kindness, regardless of my feelings for the novel.

I would just like to hear his side of the story.

Prince Dash, your example is insperational in these tough times. No joke, I salute you:

[AVPen]

Doctalen wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Xaero_Dumort wrote...

docs.google.com/document/d/1AtDZV5j8fiAVpZ0OHsRQiWXMKdgCOoz66rAaGpx_YFE/preview

Mass Effect: Deception re-write progress update!

Finished through chapter one. It takes a lot more effor than I thought it would. But I have fixed a great many of inconsitencies and lore/canon errors already. Please PM suggestions and the like to me, or check my blog, on the wiki.

Also PM grammar and other mistakes. Keep in mind they won't be fixed right away. First the re-write then the edit of the re-write.

...is this copyright violation or fan-fiction?

Fan-edits of the star wars movies never really got removed and I never heard of anyone getting in trouble for them

That's a bit of a special case - Lucasfilms is HIGHLY aware of the fanedit movement surrounding their films, but as long as we keep to ourselves privately on our own fanedit sites and don't openly broadcast our works, they tend to leave Star Wars faneditors alone - it doesn't hurt either that the Lucas is a bit of an egomanic when it comes to the films and regards anything other than "his vision" as being meaningless in the grand scheme of things (although he was careful enough to screw us over when the Blu-ray set came out.... why do you think he didn't include any of the previous deleted scenes in HD for the boxset and the few deleted scenes he did include were of crappy quality?).


Anyway, back on topic.... Deception sucks royally: <_<

It was frustrating. Extraordinarily so, and Gillian was running out of options, not to mention money. But there was one more possibility. A long shot to say the least— but something was better than nothing. And that was the nightspot called the Afterlife. It was everything to everyone. It was said that the rich and powerful gathered there as well as the station’s common folk because, regardless of social standing, all of them were interested in the same things. And that included music, sex, and drugs. None of which had any appeal for Gillian.

Modifié par AVPen, 03 février 2012 - 02:32 .

[_symphony]

LPPrince wrote...
I'm just gonna ask him politely for his opinion on the matters at hand.

We already know the reply, he was paid to write a book, he's sorry that you didn't like it, and that BioWare reviewed it line by line.

[JamesFaith]

LPPrince wrote...

If you look at his page, you'll know what I asked.

I just want his thoughts. That's all. Nothing else. No explanations, no apologies, no regrets.

Just his thoughts.

Let me guess - You play Infiltrator class in ME.

[Heraxion]

ElitePinecone wrote...

It would've been fine if the book had explained Cerberus had to be discreet on Omega, so TIM only sent Kai Leng. But nothing of the sort is established, and it makes me wonder why they didn't just sent a bunch of soldiers with Leng anyway. 

(he even had to hire his own mercs!)

It would make sense for Cerberus to assign agents to keep tabs on people on assignment. In case they get captured, killed or betray cerberus. The "watcher" can take minimal risk ( like Mott was doing in the book)
After Kai Leng was captured Mott got the mission to find out where he was, so she became an active agent.

I think Kai leng operated alone because Cerberus was hit very hard in Retribution, and didn't have the manpower to spare. TIM mentions it aswell in Deception.

Modifié par Heraxion, 03 février 2012 - 02:40 .

[ODST 3]

Having trouble doing Martin Sheen's voice. It's like a mix of high and low pitch, smooth and rough. Truly unique.

[LPPrince]

JamesFaith wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

If you look at his page, you'll know what I asked.

I just want his thoughts. That's all. Nothing else. No explanations, no apologies, no regrets.

Just his thoughts.

Let me guess - You play Infiltrator class in ME.

Actually-

I am a Prince. Royal blooded, my paternal side of the family is blood royalty, as descended from a line of royal Sikh warriors that defended India's front lines as the vanguards of its defense.

[Xaero_Dumort]

AVPen wrote...

Doctalen wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Xaero_Dumort wrote...

docs.google.com/document/d/1AtDZV5j8fiAVpZ0OHsRQiWXMKdgCOoz66rAaGpx_YFE/preview

Mass Effect: Deception re-write progress update!

Finished through chapter one. It takes a lot more effor than I thought it would. But I have fixed a great many of inconsitencies and lore/canon errors already. Please PM suggestions and the like to me, or check my blog, on the wiki.

Also PM grammar and other mistakes. Keep in mind they won't be fixed right away. First the re-write then the edit of the re-write.

...is this copyright violation or fan-fiction?

Fan-edits of the star wars movies never really got removed and I never heard of anyone getting in trouble for them

That's a bit of a special case - Lucasfilms is HIGHLY aware of the fanedit movement surrounding their films, but as long as we keep to ourselves privately on our own fanedit sites and don't openly broadcast our works, they tend to leave Star Wars faneditors alone - it doesn't hurt either that the Lucas is a bit of an egomanic when it comes to the films and regards anything other than "his vision" as being meaningless in the grand scheme of things (although he was careful enough to screw us over when the Blu-ray set came out.... why do you think he didn't include any of the previous deleted scenes in HD for the boxset and the few deleted scenes he did include were of crappy quality?).


Anyway, back on topic: Deception sucks royally:

It was frustrating. Extraordinarily so, and Gillian was running out of options, not to mention money. But there was one more possibility. A long shot to say the least— but something was better than nothing. And that was the nightspot called the Afterlife. It was everything to everyone. It was said that the rich and powerful gathered there as well as the station’s common folk because, regardless of social standing, all of them were interested in the same things. And that included music, sex, and drugs. None of which had any appeal for Gillian.

I just hafta be careful. If they ask me to stop I will. What I really would like though is for them to see my dedication, that I give proper credit to Dietz and keep the core of what he wrote alive. Ideally I want it to be seen as a colaboration. I'm giving Dietz what he had needed, someone dedicated to the lore. I'm not looking for money, just recognition. And something that people like reading and can accept into the canon. If BioWare recognizes this and likes it enough to publish the reworking then great. Put Dietz name on there, give me a special thanks or sub-author credit and let me slap it on a resume. Otherwise, the project will probably go dark for a bit, then come back finished in a few months when the people who would have bought the original book, would have already done so. I'll probably send it in to BioWare when it's finished if they haven't announced a real version two of the novel by then.

[drwells123]

SpartHawg948 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

SpartHawg948 wrote...

No one at the Wiki is just writing it off, nor has there been a serious suggestion to do so. Even if, as another contributor suggested, BioWare doesn't respond and just hopes we all forget about Deception when the demo and ME3 come out, we at the Wiki will still keep trying to garner some sort of response, if for no other reason than to determine if this stuff is canon or not. A lot of these errors, which directly contradict previously established fact, are making things pretty difficult here. For example, do volus die when exposed to oxygen and normal atmospheric pressures, as was previously established, or don't they, as Deception claims? 

That's what I thought. Is there any internal talk between you guys about making a fanon discontinuity style choice to ignore Deception? Or are you firmly in the position where if Bioware makes a public statement that it IS cannon, you will try and integrate it no matter how difficult it might be?

Right now, we're leaning towards the latter. I haven't really heard any serious talk of writing it off, and the other admins are pretty uniformly of the opinion that, if BioWare says it counts (and no comment is as good as a public statement in that regard), we'll just have to find a way to make it work. For things that totally contradict each other, we're discussing adding sections to the relevant articles detailing the disconnect.

Wow. My first thought was that you all might have some kind of schism over this, but then I thought - in order to have a schism, who's going to take the side of treating it as canon? But I do have to respect your adherence to the Word of God.

Adding sections (or footnotes, maybe? ) to articles that are contradicted sounds like a good approach (not that anyone asked my opinion of it, but I have to deal with similar issues in my job).

[JamesFaith]

ElitePinecone wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

I have a question. In Deception is woman from Cerberus, Mott, who watching over Leng, and then TIM send someone to watch over her. Do you think that there is also someone who watching over this watcher watching over that watcher watching over Leng?

That bit confused me. It was like the author wanted to show us how paranoid TIM was, or how he subjected even his top agents to surveillance. 

But two things:

- When was Mott ever anything but loyal? Or even Kai Leng? Having an army of people watching over people watching over people watching over people seems like an incredible waste of resources. Cerberus has what, a few hundred personnel? 

- If TIM had Mott on hand to watch Kai Leng, and someone he could immediately assign to watch over Mott, why on earth was Kai Leng acting alone? Where was his squad? I can almost kinda believe the Biotic Underground captured Kai Leng on their own, but against a squad of soldiers? 

It would've been fine if the book had explained Cerberus had to be discreet on Omega, so TIM only sent Kai Leng. But nothing of the sort is established, and it makes me wonder why they didn't just sent a bunch of soldiers with Leng anyway. 

(he even had to hire his own mercs!)

Exactly. This watching over his agents looks absolutely impractically. Tim's peoples would must acting in watching circles, where first person watching over the last meber of that ring.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Lord Aesir wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

William C. Dietz accepted my facebook friendship request.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh god that's hilarious.

He has no clue he just added the guy who...

Goddang, Dietz.

But I'm a Prince. I know of honor and decency. I will show him respect and kindness, regardless of my feelings for the novel.

I would just like to hear his side of the story.

I somehow doubt you'll get the honest and frank version.

Maybe he won't, but it'll be something we can offer up to BioWare and say, "Hey, look...this is what the author says he did with you guys. Either you guys screwed up royally, or he's lying." Lying is only going to get everyone into even more trouble...so I don't know why they'd bother, personally. But, doesn't mean they won't do it. <_<

[nitefyre410]

Derah wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Derah wrote...

I really can't believe I'm saying this, but M.Night Shyalaman's version of "The Last Airbender" almost seems GOOD if compared to this book.

For all the defilement he did to the source material, Dietz just outdid him in every way possible.

 

You want to know something that really is going to hurt  your avatar fandom..


the Writers and creators of the Series... also produced and wrote the screen play for that movie. 

*snip* 

 


You  are correct... I did get my facts mixed up ... but  still.  The creators knew he was working it  with his track record.. so you know what they are in the same boat  as Bioware is at the moment with Dietz  You knew the guy's record and you let happen...  Sorry.. They are as much to blame as him.   



The same thing with Alan  Moore and Watchmen... the Director and  Fox reached out to him  write  the screen play .. He refused. So guess what   he does not get the right to complain about what comes out  he does not like.
 

but  lets not derail the thread from its true objective.
  


 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 février 2012 - 02:45 .

[LPPrince]

I'm not looking for some petty blame game.

I'm looking for his honest to God opinion.

What if he said, "Wow, well if they all feel that way, maybe it SHOULD be disavowed"?

Not saying he would, but what if he did? How would y'all react then?