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[B.Shep]

Binkery wrote...

MnMH wrote...

With a toothbrush? Seriously? 

Yet when he was first in the cell:

Other than the light, the bucket that had been placed in the cornor, and the narrow bed, there was no furniture in the room.  Nothing that could be transformed into a weapon, used as a pick, or otherwise turned against his captors.

Guess you just find another inconsistency in this book

[LPPrince]

So...

when is Bioware gonna get around to actually advertising this novel?

Dietz is doing a better job of it. And he doesn't even care. At least, it SEEMS that way.

Modifié par LPPrince, 03 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[Netin]

I haven't gotten around to reading the book yet, but that list of errors is pretty depressing. Think I might just skip this one entirely despite how much I was looking forward to it.

[AresXX7]

Binkery wrote...

MnMH wrote...

With a toothbrush? Seriously? 

Yet when he was first in the cell:

Other than the light, the bucket that had been placed in the cornor, and the narrow bed, there was no furniture in the room.  Nothing that could be transformed into a weapon, used as a pick, or otherwise turned against his captors.

It still cracks me up, for some reason, that it took countless hours to sharpen it too. (don't know why)

Aside from the Von/Zon name mx-up, he does also call Kahlee Gillian once. (not sure if anyone had caught that one)

[schwarzaj]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

schwarzaj wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...
Barla Von's (the Asari that Nick was getting all bothered in his sleep about)

You know, it's kinda damning had little editing this book actually had. 

Given that the author gets confused between Zon and Von, and mixes the names throughout the last half of the book, occasionally on the same page.

One read-through, surely, would have picked that up. 

Dude, did Dietz rip off House of the Dead: Overkill, Barla Von sounds really close to Varla Guns.

You never playyed ME1, did you?

No, I have. It's just been so long since I've played it that I forgot who Barla Von was.

[ddv.rsa]

Wow! This thread seems to have really slowed down. Bioware probably knew if they stayed quiet long enough the fuss would die down.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 03 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[roflchoppaz]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Wow! This thread seems to have really slowed down. Bioware probably knew if they stayed quiet long enough things would blow over.

The fact of how much this book sucks has been discussed to death, so, yeah.

[ddv.rsa]

roflchoppaz wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Wow! This thread seems to have really slowed down. Bioware probably knew if they stayed quiet long enough things would blow over.

The fact of how much this book sucks has been discussed to death, so, yeah.

If they never addressed the quality of Deception while everyone was demanding answers, they almost certainly won't now.

[Binkery]

B.Shep wrote...

Guess you just find another inconsistency in this book [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Oh good point 

AresXX7 wrote...

It still cracks me up, for some reason, that it took countless hours to sharpen it too. (don't know why)

Aside from the Von/Zon name mx-up, he does also call Kahlee Gillian once. (not sure if anyone had caught that one)

Missed the Kahlee/Gillian though.

I guess you could say Cory gave him the toothbrush to use a a shank but if that was the case she could have easily given him a knife to use as a knife.

[LPPrince]

roflchoppaz wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Wow! This thread seems to have really slowed down. Bioware probably knew if they stayed quiet long enough things would blow over.

The fact of how much this book sucks has been discussed to death, so, yeah.

The speed doesn't matter. What matters is the problem still exists and we're still talking.

That and we're still waiting on a response.

Above that, the reason its slowed down is that we've been VERY committed to this. We all need a break.

The rage has spread all over the place to different sites, its not just here. Hell, the twitter search for Deception shows that perfectly.

Of course it slowed down. Hell, I'd say its a good thing it slowed down.

We just have to keep it alive. Ride the wave.

[BiO]

And what exactly do you guys expect of Bioware? To tell publicly how much it sucks? To say it is not canon? As much as they love their franchise, they wouldn't soil the opportunity to make money, because this is business

The most that would happen, the way I see it, is Karpyshyn doing a not-so-positive review of Deception.

[ZLurps]

Binkery wrote...

MnMH wrote...

With a toothbrush? Seriously? 

Yet when he was first in the cell:

Other than the light, the bucket that had been placed in the cornor, and the narrow bed, there was no furniture in the room.  Nothing that could be transformed into a weapon, used as a pick, or otherwise turned against his captors.

IMO that could be added at least in oddities. Then, maybe he was given toothbrush later.

[AVPen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

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jnie8412 wrote...
*Snip*

**SPOILERS!**

How completely worthless is this novel when the entire plot contained within is MEANINGLESS? The only major outcome that occurs in Deception is that the three characters previously created in the novel Ascension - Gillian, Hendel, and Nick - are all randomly killed off at the very end for no other purpose other than to erase their existence from the Mass Effect universe. Other than that, nothing matters in this novel to the plot of the Mass Effect series, NOTHING - Anderson and Kahlee make no progress into investigating either Cerberus or the Reapers, the Council still actively dismisses the existence of the Reapers, there is no mention of the events of Arrival or the escalating tensions between the Alliance and the batarians over it, there is no active effort by Cerberus into any of their secret projects... none of the characters grow or evolve, none of the conflicts previously established in other Mass Effect media are resolved, nothing is any different for the Mass Effect universe or its characters from the beginning of this novel to its end, not a single darn thing...

This is no "lead-in" to the Mass Effect 3 video game, as some of the game developers previously claimed... there's nothing for it to lead to anywhere! It's utterly pointless, a waste of the trees used to make the paper to print this worthless book and a waste of the time and energy of anyone who bothers to read through it from start to finish.

If you're a fan of science fiction, there is literally an infinite selection of better novels out there that are worth your time.
If you're a fan of Mass Effect and its lore... just wipe this stain clean from your mind and pretend that it never existed.

Quoted for the truth.

It's not even funny how little was accomplished in Deception. If it was meant to lead to ME3, then how come it has absolutely nothing to do with the games and has no builup? You can just as easy skip the book and have a note in the game that says which major characters were killed and the player wouldn't miss one bit.

Yeah, that review's mine - took me a good portion of the morning to write that one (probably longer than it took Dietz to write the outline for this worthless book...).

Modifié par AVPen, 03 février 2012 - 04:30 .

[Matt251287]

roflchoppaz wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Rewrite is already happening:

Xaero_Dumort wrote...

docs.google.com/document/d/1AtDZV5j8fiAVpZ0OHsRQiWXMKdgCOoz66rAaGpx_YFE/preview
Mass Effect: Deception re-write progress update!
Finished through chapter one. It takes a lot more effor than I thought it would. But I have fixed a great many of inconsitencies and lore/canon errors  already. Please PM suggestions and the like to me, or check my blog, on
the wiki.

Also PM grammar and other mistakes. Keep in mind they won't be fixed right away. First the re-write then the edit of the re-write.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/alien.png[/smilie]

Just read the prologue and, My God, i see some very diligent people have done what they can, but it's just terrible.

 
I'm gunna come out and admit that i haven't read Deception, or any of the other Mass-Effect books, so i cannot compare it with those, but i do read a ton of books!

And well, straight in first few paragraphs, he's on a planet never before described in a city never before described, is there any description of this place to help our minds eye? NO!

Apparantly it's an ancient city, soo are towering futuristic megastructures mingling over the ancient pillars? Or is the historic city a protected zone? Is the Batarian respect for the historic place good or bad? He's on a street, a surface street (because that'd be rare on the home planet of a spacefaring species) or a windy mezzanine?

This is just one small example; but if you're not even going to bother describing anything what's the point of calling it science-fiction literiture?


 
And obviously despite the rewrite there are still many Aliens on Khar'shan which just ruins it straight away. And it seems incredably rare items are being auctioned (Prothean thingy sounds like a plot device in itself and is then ditched) and nothing is made of the rareness, richness or pomp of this auction, there is no description!

As far as i can tell some of the most priceless items in the Galaxy are being fenced in a crumbling backstreet hovel; and that makes no sense. Khar'shan makes no sense with respect to the auction, Illium would be better, or an entirely new location which could have been interesting. Obviously many of the items are illegal, but a high-society presense would be expected, wouldn't it?
 
Gah, fans of the novel series a empathise with you i really do =/

Modifié par Matt251287, 03 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[ZLurps]

BiO_MaN wrote...

And what exactly do you guys expect of Bioware? To tell publicly how much it sucks? To say it is not canon? As much as they love their franchise, they wouldn't soil the opportunity to make money, because this is business

The most that would happen, the way I see it, is Karpyshyn doing a not-so-positive review of Deception.

One thing that was achieved was creating a list of things for people who run ME Wiki about inconstancies in Deception. That's going to affect everyone who uses the Wiki.

Then Stanley Woo has said it in many topics that the best and practically the only way to influece is to vote with your wallet. More people know about issues of Deception, more are going to let it pass.

I'm also very happy about how much coverage this has got in gaming media. I think almost all big gaming portals have covered this and story has been published at least in Japan, Germany, Poland (not 100% sure about this) and Finland.

If I were working for EA, I would think twice letting subbar tie-in product to the market after this, brand value and all.

[Iohanna]

Despite the loss of momentum, the fact it still exists is important. Don't doubt that.

And, regarding the book re-write, as much as I enjoy the re-writes I've read so far far more than Dietz's take, they still have the same basic problem: the premise. The premise of the book is meaningless and leads to absolutely nothing. From start to finish the characters don't do anything meaningful, change nothing and only get themselves killed in the process. It's the whole foundation that's wrong. Wording it differently and changing a few mistakes won't solve the problem.

At least that's what I think.

Modifié par Iohanna, 03 février 2012 - 04:51 .

[schwarzaj]

BiO_MaN wrote...

And what exactly do you guys expect of Bioware? To tell publicly how much it sucks? To say it is not canon? As much as they love their franchise, they wouldn't soil the opportunity to make money, because this is business

The most that would happen, the way I see it, is Karpyshyn doing a not-so-positive review of Deception.

It's the very fact that this is business that Bioware needs to respond. Sony just released an abysmal quarterly report because of substandard product, compromised online security, and poor marketing decesions. Articles about this issue only mention supply issues last, which is out of sony's control. Your point is valid, and it is specificaly because of your point that Bioware needs to make a statement about Deception. Deception is bad for business because it tarnishes the reputation of Mass Effect as a franchise. Fans and potential customers may not pick up the next Mass
Effect tie-in product because of Deception's poor quality, or, in very rare cases, the game itself. The current economy is terrible, and people are not willing to spend as much as they used to. One poor qualtiy product can turn potential customers away for good. I know this sounds like I'm over reacting, but trust me, Deception is just as bad for Bioware's business as it is for Mass Effect's fans.

[schwarzaj]

Iohanna wrote...

Despite the loss of momentum, the fact it still exists is important. Don't doubt that.

And, regarding the book re-write, as much as I enjoy the re-writes I've read so far far more than Dietz's take, they still have the same basic problem: the premise. The premise of the book is meaningless and leads to absolutely nothing. From start to finish the characters don't do anything meaningful, change nothing and only get themselves killed in the process. It's the whole foundation that's wrong. Wording it differently and changing a few mistakes won't solve the problem.

At least that's what I think.

True, the more and more that I hear about this book, the more and more it begins to look like some guy in marketing demanding a book to coinced with the ME3's release. It isn't the first time that some marketing department completely ignored the actually development team. Marvel had that problem in the 90's, and the result was the Clone Saga. Remember that little nightmare?

[Xerxes52]

I'm pretty surprised they let Dietz do another tie-in novel after he botched The Flood. I guess Bungie should have warned Bioware about him.

[Valikdu]

Xerxes52 wrote...

I'm pretty surprised they let Dietz do another tie-in novel after he botched The Flood. I guess Bungie should have warned Bioware about him.

"Bungie warned us he was coming. But we didn't listen."

Modifié par Valikdu, 03 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[ZLurps]

Iohanna wrote...

Despite the loss of momentum, the fact it still exists is important. Don't doubt that.

And, regarding the book re-write, as much as I enjoy the re-writes I've read so far far more than Dietz's take, they still have the same basic problem: the premise. The premise of the book is meaningless and leads to absolutely nothing. From start to finish the characters don't do anything meaningful, change nothing and only get themselves killed in the process. It's the whole foundation that's wrong. Wording it differently and changing a few mistakes won't solve the problem.

At least that's what I think.

I share your thoughts.
I appreciate the effort to rewrite Deception to something decent, but there are many issues, lack of premise like you said and that cracters are turned to something unrecognizable and act like idiots are huge issues and it's really difficult how those could be fixed just by correcting errors discussed here.

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 février 2012 - 05:06 .

[ZLurps]

OT: What the hell is going on? Anyone who pre-ordered The Art of Mass Effect artbook, check this:

http://social.biowar...3/index/9150133

Comments to that thread.

Deception still sucks.

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 février 2012 - 05:08 .

[J4N3_M3]

Xaero_Dumort wrote...

docs.google.com/document/d/1AtDZV5j8fiAVpZ0OHsRQiWXMKdgCOoz66rAaGpx_YFE/preview
Mass Effect: Deception re-write progress update!
Finished through chapter one. It takes a lot more effor than I thought it would. But I have fixed a great many of inconsitencies and lore/canon errors  already. Please PM suggestions and the like to me, or check my blog, on
the wiki.

Also PM grammar and other mistakes. Keep in mind they won't be fixed right away. First the re-write then the edit of the re-write.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/alien.png[/smilie]

thank you for making Kai Leng not just "not liking Batarians" but making him HATE them.