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[LPPrince]

And that's another thing- No insulting Dietz, the editors, or anyone involved in creating and reviewing the novel.

These PM's have one purpose- for all of us to get across the message that this book should not be canon- that it should be disavowed from the continuity.

Nothing else. No insults, no bad words, no curses. Nothing beyond that.

[HighMoon]

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that  *spoilers edited out*

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:00 .

[LPPrince]

The forum needs positivity, as I've been saying for a long time now.

And even here, in what seems to be the second thread of nothing but pure unadulterated negativity for the novel, we can show positivity by being mature about getting our message across to those involved.

Maturity and being well spoken in our intent- positivity.

So lets be positive about our negative feelings.

[Yuoaman]

Seriously? I doubt that the ME3 writers consulted with Dietz on any of these events anyway, so I doubt there will be references.

[izmirtheastarach]

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*


 

How can they have? This book takes place either before or during Mass Effect 2. Before Retribution. Gillian is out to revenge her father before he is actually killed. It literally DOES NOT FIT in the universe. There is no need to pretend it does.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 03:57 .

[LPPrince]

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*

Smart idea would be to not post spoilers, but to answer your question-

We don't know their involvement in ME3. We don't know what they say or do- if it RELIES on Deception, there's a problem. If not, then its perfectly fine to expunge the novel from the continuity of the novel series and grand continuity of the franchise.

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*


 

How can they have? This book takes place either before or during Mass Effect 2. Before Retribution. Gillian is out to revenge her father before he is killed. It literally DOES NOT FIT in the universe. There is nothing to pretend. 

This is obviously one of those 'for want of a nail' universes created sometime during the First Contact War. Most **** is the same, but Nick and Gillian were born earlier - and the lives of all major characters were all majorly affected.

[HighMoon]

K, I'll edit them out.

[izmirtheastarach]

Right. It literally takes place in an alternate universe. Because otherwise none of the references to time passing or contemporaneous events in any of the books make any sense.

If you take it as canon, I have no earthly idea what takes place before what. It's impossible to reconcile.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:01 .

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Right. It literally takes place in an alternate universe. Because otherwise none of the references to time passing or contemporaneous events in any of the books make any sense.

It's a good thing the first three books take place in Universe-A43. Universe-K35 is just weird.

[LPPrince]

I'm willing to bet Kahlee Sanders will be in ME3, I'm serious.

I'd bet money on it, because she's been the leading character of the novels since Revelation, and that book was made I believe prior to Mass Effect.

The rest of the characters I imagine won't have an involvement, cept for Leng as we all know.

I don't think it would be hard to say that Deception didn't happen.

[izmirtheastarach]

LPPrince wrote...

I'm willing to bet Kahlee Sanders will be in ME3, I'm serious.

I'd bet money on it, because she's been the leading character of the novels since Revelation, and that book was made I believe prior to Mass Effect.

The rest of the characters I imagine won't have an involvement, cept for Leng as we all know.

I don't think it would be hard to say that Deception didn't happen.

Even the reference in ME2 didn't refer to those characters. Ysin'Mal is the only name that even crosses over.

[Lucy Glitter]

I read that Gillian is now 18? How does that work?!

[Yuoaman]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I read that Gillian is now 18? How does that work?!

It doesn't, that's the problem.

[LPPrince]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I read that Gillian is now 18? How does that work?!

It doesn't.

In Mass Effect: Deception, Gillian's age is given as 18 and it is stated that six years have passed since she met Hendel Mitra at age 12 in Mass Effect: Ascension. This conflicts with Deception's place in the overall Mass Effect timeline. Ascension occurred in 2183 CE and Deception occurs prior to Mass Effect 3 in 2186 CE, so only three years could have passed; Gillian should be no older than 15 in Deception.

[HighMoon]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I'm willing to bet Kahlee Sanders will be in ME3, I'm serious.

I'd bet money on it, because she's been the leading character of the novels since Revelation, and that book was made I believe prior to Mass Effect.

The rest of the characters I imagine won't have an involvement, cept for Leng as we all know.

I don't think it would be hard to say that Deception didn't happen.

Even the reference in ME2 didn't refer to those characters. Ysin'Mal is the only name that even crosses over.

Although not mentioned by name, Tali does mention a "Young human biotic" in one conversation.

[LPPrince]

Golden-Rose wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I'm willing to bet Kahlee Sanders will be in ME3, I'm serious.

I'd bet money on it, because she's been the leading character of the novels since Revelation, and that book was made I believe prior to Mass Effect.

The rest of the characters I imagine won't have an involvement, cept for Leng as we all know.

I don't think it would be hard to say that Deception didn't happen.

Even the reference in ME2 didn't refer to those characters. Ysin'Mal is the only name that even crosses over.

Although not mentioned by name, Tali does mention a "Young human biotic" in one conversation.

Yes, Tali alludes to Gillian. Also, there are a couple mentions to The Migrant Fleet's history with Cerberus, which is directly due to the events of Ascension.

[izmirtheastarach]

In his own book the timeline doesn't make sense. Two years since the battle of the citadel. Six years since Ascension, which would have to take place four years before Mass Effect 1.

[LPPrince]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

In his own book the timeline doesn't make sense. Two years since the battle of the citadel. Six years since Ascension, which would have to take place four years before Mass Effect 1.

Real timeline(novels and games)-

2165- Revelation
2183- Mass Effect
2183- Ascension
2185- Mass Effect 2
2186- Retribution
218err, what now? - Deception

I think I see the anomaly.

[HighMoon]

Now as long as ME3 avoids referencing Deception in any way, we're in the clear. *fingers crossed*

[dreman9999]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*


 

How can they have? This book takes place either before or during Mass Effect 2. Before Retribution. Gillian is out to revenge her father before he is actually killed. It literally DOES NOT FIT in the universe. There is no need to pretend it does.

It takes place after retribution before Arrival.

[Yuoaman]

dreman9999 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*


 

How can they have? This book takes place either before or during Mass Effect 2. Before Retribution. Gillian is out to revenge her father before he is actually killed. It literally DOES NOT FIT in the universe. There is no need to pretend it does.

It takes place after retribution before Arrival.

That's where it should be, but the timeline is so inconsistent.

[dreman9999]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I read that Gillian is now 18? How does that work?!

Because the auther thinks 2170-2186=18...Duh....

[izmirtheastarach]

dreman9999 wrote...

It takes place after retribution before Arrival.

Retribution specifically states that Grayson has been on the run for three years. Deception specifically states that it takes place two years after the Battle of the Citadel. How does this work exactly?

Again, there is no way to make if work without doing your own editing.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[dreman9999]

Yuoaman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

I like your suggestion Prince, but I have a question. Assuming this book was disvowed from the continuity, what of the characters? What happens to them? Are we to just assume that *SPOILERS*


 

How can they have? This book takes place either before or during Mass Effect 2. Before Retribution. Gillian is out to revenge her father before he is actually killed. It literally DOES NOT FIT in the universe. There is no need to pretend it does.

It takes place after retribution before Arrival.

That's where it should be, but the timeline is so inconsistent.

More like the auther got the timeline wrong.....I just ignore it, just like the "earth people" comment. I'll rage on the book as much as anyone else but as long as they don't make the mistakes come over to ME3, I'm fine. I fine with Gillian being 18 in this book as long as she is 16-17 in ME3.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 janvier 2012 - 04:37 .