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[Praetor Knight]

The deception is that it's an alternate universe? or how about a dream?

[izmirtheastarach]

The Illusive Man was actually hoping the Kai Leng would get himself killed. Deception.

[didymos1120]

It really is amazing how incompetent Kai is in this book, which is just hilarious because Dietz constantly tries (way too hard) to sell him as a master of his craft.

[LPPrince]

didymos1120 wrote...

BTW, has anyone figured out what the hell the big deception in Deception is? I mean in Revelation, the revelation was the existence of Sovereign. In Ascension it involved the Ascension Project. In Retribution, events were set in motion by TIM's retribution against Grayson.

The reader is decep...nah, I'm nice.

[izmirtheastarach]

didymos1120 wrote...

It really is amazing how incompetent Kai is in this book, which is just hilarious because Dietz constantly tries (way too hard) to sell him as a master of his craft.

And he also seems to have forgotten that he's entitled to a 6 man commando team. Maybe it's Kai Leng who forgot, rather then Dietz.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:22 .

[Isaidlunch]

Sounds like an amazing book, I'll have to pick it up after I finish rereading The Sten and the Warden The Commander and the Den Asaan Rautu.

[MissOuJ]

[quote]izmirtheastarach wrote...

[quote]Blacklash93 wrote...

Also, kudos (and by kudos I mean my neverending hate) for Dietz for both queer and disability erasure! Hendel, gay? No! Lemme write him "oogling" an asari dancer with Anderson like a proper bloke (and I'd maybe let that slide as an indication for his bi-sexuality if it weren't for the comment about "going to bars to look for the company 'of the opposite sex'" a couple pages after that gem. No gay people in the future! Got it!). [/quote]

We lost a gay to the terrible Power of Retcon.

And mono-gender means "one gender". And that gender is female for the Asari.[/quote]

From the preview:

[quote]Leng, Kim, and a couple of their buddies had been in a bar on the Citadel that fateful evening doing what off- duty marines do. Which is to drink, hit on members of the opposite sex[/quote]

That section is about Leng, not Hendel. He difinitely ogles an Asari. Also, I feel like I might be defending this book now. I think I might die.

To the other pointed, I'll look for the quote, but the suggestion was that there was no lesbian LI in ME1 because Liara is not female.

[/quote]


I'm late to the party with this, but anyway...

Yes, that quote is about Leng, but it implies marines in general are all straight. And that is said after the asari-oogling fiasco. Also, like I said before, all the asari are fetishized to a disturbing degree in the book (And Dietz calls them asexual for some reason. Sir, I don't think that word means what you think it means...), and it is mentioned that to Anderson "they look like human females".

So, gay Hendel checking out blue chicks + Leng making a comment about Marines being all straight bunch = queer erasure for me.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:38 .

[LPPrince]

Kazanth wrote...

Sounds like an amazing book, I'll have to pick it up after I finish rereading The Sten and the Warden The Commander and the Den Asaan Rautu.

Go for it. Just hide your cereal and toothbrushes.

[izmirtheastarach]

MissOuJ wrote...

I'm late to the party with this, but anyway...

Yes, that quote is about Leng, but it implies marines in general are all straight. And that is said after the asari-oogling fiasco. Also, like I said before, all the asari are fetishized to a disturbing degree in the book (And Dietz calls them asexual for some reason. Sir, I don't think that word means what you think it means...), and it is mentioned that to Anderson "they look like human females".

So, gay Hendel checking out blue chicks + Leng making a comment about Marines being all straight bunch = queer erasure for me.

I get it now. All marines everywhere are only looking to hit on members of the opposite sex. And as I pointed out earlier, maybe he uses the word asexual because Casey Hudson has used it to refere to Asari.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:43 .

[AresXX7]

 

didymos1120 wrote...
BTW, has anyone figured out what the hell the big deception in Deception is? I mean in Revelation, the revelation was the existence of Sovereign. In Ascension it involved the Ascension Project. In Retribution, events were set in motion by TIM's retribution against Grayson.

That this is actually a legitimate part of the overall Mass Effect storyline (?)




All I've gotten from this experience is - when someone messes up the characters & lore, comes up with ridiculous scenarios, or simply doesn't put much effort to research - I'll think of it as 'pulling a Dietz'.

That and never leave your cereal unguarded when Kai Leng is around. :-p

[LPPrince]

I'm hoping for some sort of public recognition for the state of this novel.

[MissOuJ]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

I'm late to the party with this, but anyway...

Yes, that quote is about Leng, but it implies marines in general are all straight. And that is said after the asari-oogling fiasco. Also, like I said before, all the asari are fetishized to a disturbing degree in the book (And Dietz calls them asexual for some reason. Sir, I don't think that word means what you think it means...), and it is mentioned that to Anderson "they look like human females".

So, gay Hendel checking out blue chicks + Leng making a comment about Marines being all straight bunch = queer erasure for me.

I get it now. All marines everywhere are only looking to hit on members of the opposite sex. And as I pointed out earlier, maybe he uses the word asexual because Casey Hudson has used it to refere to Asari.

Yeah, I know I'm harping on about it... but damn it, Hendel was my favourite character! He deserved so much better... Dietz should have done better job.

Hudson did? What, the asari are not interested in sex? So Liara just... cuddles Shepard naked?

Or is it asexual as in asexual reproduction? It is said the asari only need a partner to randomize the genetical code of their kids, but... Gah. I don't know. Dietz, however, uses it in reference to their gender, which is wrong. You can be monogender or nongender or genderqueer... but asexual as a gender? That... doesn't really work that way...

Also, how come I have this book? I bought it from a major retailer in Scandinavia the 24th, and we get books late, if we get them at all. The official publishing date is 31st. What happened there?

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:18 .

[LPPrince]

They want you to like it.

They REALLY want you to like it.

[111987]

Could someone PM me the ending please? Much appreciated.

[LPPrince]

All these people seeking pain...

[Maugrim]

MissOuJ wrote...

Also, how come I have this book? I bought it from a major retailer in Scandinavia the 24th, and we get books late, if we get them at all. The official publishing date is 31st. What happened there?

They figured you probabaly wouldn't bother with the hassle to send it back for being so bad.  Honestly if I had not found out about this and recieved my order as planned I probably would've sent it back since Amazon is usually pretty good about returns.

[didymos1120]

So, I've managed to discover that Aria has a mansion on Thessia, and she went back there to bury her daughter. And I dug this out:

There were eight of them and all were relatives. But not T’Loak’s only relatives. She had hundreds of those.And most disapproved of the way she made her living. More than that, they blamed T’Loak for raising Liselle on Omega and allowing her to live there.

Oh, really now? The T'Loak family? THAT DOESN'T EXIST. IT'S A FALSE NAME:

I have nothing to fear on Omega. That doesn't mean I want to broadcast my past to the galaxy.

I've had a few careers, a few names. Commando training, mercenary leanings. I've kept what was valuable and dropped the baggage.

So, yes, I had money to start this operation. I also had creditors who thought they were more entitled to it. I let them chase a ghost... or several.

It's relatively easy to outlive a salarian. But not their record-keeping.

No reason, from your perspective. But there are plenty of people out there with long memories.

Aria T'Loak: She's Omega's number one citizen. But what do we really know about her?

[MissOuJ]

111987 wrote...

Could someone PM me the ending please? Much appreciated.

Sent. Warning: it's pretty painful. Read at your own risk.

[shepard1038]

Is the ending bad?

[implodinggoat]

shepard1038 wrote...

Is the ending bad?

Yes, very.

[ediskrad327]

MissOuJ wrote...

111987 wrote...

Could someone PM me the ending please? Much appreciated.

Sent. Warning: it's pretty painful. Read at your own risk.

now i'm curious, PM it to me also

[shepard1038]

what does pm means?


p.s. sorry for the question

[MissOuJ]

Yes. It has very little to do with anything what has happened in 200+ pages of the 300 page novel. There's this really arbitrary and forced domino-effect kind of string of events that culminate into a single fight with a big body count but little action, a "shocking" reveal that isn't much of a reveal, and a lot of characters acting completely OOC.

And, most of the book is build around plots we already know the answers to. The book is told from PoV of multiple characters, so at any point there's some kind of mystery or suspension the question is answered pretty much the next page. Where's Gillian? Let's hop into her PoV! Who's the killer? Let's hop into his PoV!

And the worst is, in the end, all that happened was for nothing. The characters learn nothing, nothing changes in the world, the plot of the ME universe in general goes nowhere.

Edited to add: PM = Private Message

Also, to clarify: the final fight isn't the only one in the book by any means, but that's pretty much the whole climax of the book and it's very... anticlimactic to say the least.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[Isaidlunch]

shepard1038 wrote...

what does pm means?


p.s. sorry for the question

Private message.

Speaking of which, could I get one as well?

Modifié par Kazanth, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .

[MissOuJ]

Kazanth wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

what does pm means?


p.s. sorry for the question

Private message.

Speaking of which, could I get one as well?

Sent. I myself didn't know whether I should laugh or cry when I read it.