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[Armass81]

Now we all know why this book is called Mass Effect: Deception.

Modifié par Armass81, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:54 .

[AVPen]

ZLurps wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Challenge accepted, LPPrince. There are my first ten cannon mistakes in Deception. Everyone can continue, just please keep it on purely ME mistakes, things like cornflakes are only Dietz's stupidities, use same numbering and formal language in case, we someday send it to BW as proof of Dietz's incompetence, and donť repeating them. We will see, how incorrect this I'm-proud-on-it book is.


Cannon mistakes in ME: Deception

• Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible
• Quarian's names - titling kvarian Fothar vas Maynar (and others) like Maynar means, you adressed them by name of their ship, not by their own name.
• Gas suckers - quarians breathing air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is filtration of air
• Claiming that Hendel never visit Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension whole three chapters
• Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death)
• Friendship of Gillian and Nick - there was only one and last contact between them in Ascension. Nick overthrow her milk and she went mad and nearly kill him
• Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggest this in Ascension, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM pretending, he is her real father
• Gillian claiming that child in Academy tormented her  -  nothing suggesting that, in fact they only ignoring her, incident with Nick was unique
• Tantalus drive core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experiental drive core using only on Normandy, batarians can't have it
• Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her

11. The Citadel is described being star shaped - Citadel is actually like a hollow cylinder.

12. There is Batarian embassy in the Citedel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute.

13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after events of ME1.

14. Kai Leng kills a Krogan with a regular knife - It's impossible to kill a Krogan with a melee any melee weapons short of a molecular blade.

15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng severes stabs knife in his neck and severes spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way.

16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants.

17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel is homosexual.


18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they got in the Citadel at the first without using mass effect?

19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successufully during the events of ME1 - That never happended due Prothean scientists reprogamming the Keepers and Shepard foiling Sovereigns plan to manuallu override Citadel relay function.

(AAAAARGH!)


20. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.

21. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc)

22. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.

23. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the Baratian homeworld Kar'Shan - the Batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.

24. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.

Modifié par AVPen, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[CARL_DF90]

Jeez. I love Bioware and all but I swear this has not been a kind year for them. First their security (or lack thereof) allows leaks of all types in regards to ME3, and now this book seems to really mess with established lore and canon. Oy. I would have thought good ol' Bioware would have practiced better quality control than this. Been reading through this thread and things have NOT been looking up. I'm just going to play ME3 and pretent this book never happened.

[Iohanna]

@JeffZero I love how this book made our creativity flourish. Loved it.

Modifié par Iohanna, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[chengthao]

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Modifié par chengthao, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[mineralica]

JeffZero wrote...

Ezio T'Soni della Consort <...>

'wipes tears' freaking brilliant=]

[didymos1120]

So, um, there's a slight problem with Ugho being in Deception. He been dead for roughly two-and-a-half years:

The bodies of Isli, Seeto, and Ugho lay just beyond it.

[bleetman]

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he's an adrenaline junkie.

didymos1120 wrote...

So, um, there's a slight problem with Ugho being in Deception. He been dead for roughly two-and-a-half years:

The bodies of Isli, Seeto, and Ugho lay just beyond it.

Obviously, they weren't dead. They were just tired, and it was nap time.

Modifié par bleetman, 28 janvier 2012 - 05:58 .

[Khran1505]

LPPrince wrote...

Khran1505 wrote...

I'm still a little stumped about why Drew wasn't hired to write Deception. Sorry, was he just too awesome?

He was transferred off the ME project to work on SWTOR.

We all saw how that went.

I don't really keep up with Star Wars lore anymore, something I miss or do you just mean with Deception failing?

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

14. Kai Leng kills a Krogan with a regular knife - It's impossible to kill a Krogan with a melee any melee weapons short of a molecular blade.

That's not the wrong part. He did kill a krogan with a knife, per Retribution. Drew however left it totally up to the imagination as to how exactly he accomplished that feat. Dietz decided to explain it, and f*cked it up by making it so Kai kills the guy by slicing into his neck and severing the spine.  Several problems with that: they don't really have much of a neck,  it's covered by that giant hump, their skin is too tough for that, and their nervous system isn't like ours at all.

Good catch. I totally forgot that. I edited my list.

Here is alternative n.14

14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.

Thanks - Edited again but it starts to be busy to keep up!

[LPPrince]

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he's an adrenaline junkie.

[JamesFaith]

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he think that eating someones cereal, when he sneaked into his appartment,  make him adrenaline junkie (really, that was written in book)

[LPPrince]

Khran1505 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Khran1505 wrote...

I'm still a little stumped about why Drew wasn't hired to write Deception. Sorry, was he just too awesome?

He was transferred off the ME project to work on SWTOR.

We all saw how that went.

I don't really keep up with Star Wars lore anymore, something I miss or do you just mean with Deception failing?

The Old Republic is tanking hard.

Which means I hope to GOD he gets transferred back to the ME project.

Hell, have him write the next novel, that is the one that follows up Retribution.

[chengthao]

LPPrince wrote...

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he's an adrenaline junkie.

really?

Edit - that's just freaking dumb!!! glad i'm staying away, i thoguht it was just ppl on BSN making fun of him but seriously, that's what was written, that's just . . . . I can't even think of a phrase appropriate enough to say how dumb and pointless that is

Modifié par chengthao, 28 janvier 2012 - 06:04 .

[LPPrince]

chengthao wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he's an adrenaline junkie.

really?

Really.

[Eski.Moe]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, um, there's a slight problem with Ugho being in Deception. He been dead for roughly two-and-a-half years:

The bodies of Isli, Seeto, and Ugho lay just beyond it.

Yeah, Ugho was dead. Dead tired!

[didymos1120]

AVPen wrote...
[*]21. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc)

He actually did get one right: Ysin'Mal. The other thing to note is that leaving off the clan name is OK. Drew does it in Ascension. The games do it. But not when their birth/crew names are also invoked.

[Thargorichiban]

LPPrince wrote...

chengthao wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

chengthao wrote...

why does Kai Leng eat Anderson's cereal, sorry i actually haven't read this book and don't plan to either, but i just wanna konw why Kai Leng eating Anderson's cereal even worth noting

Because he's an adrenaline junkie.

really?

Really.

Really Really.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, when quarian names are stated formally, you use the whole thing. That includes the clan name.

When its a personal statement, its not required, but can still be used. Ex-

Every time you call Tali "Tali", or when she referred to Shala as "Auntie Raan!"

[izmirtheastarach]

Maybe he wrote Ugho's full name, and then realized the character was dead. So instead of creating a new name, he just changed it to "a male named Ugho"

[ZLurps]

AVPen wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Challenge accepted, LPPrince. There are my first ten cannon mistakes in Deception. Everyone can continue, just please keep it on purely ME mistakes, things like cornflakes are only Dietz's stupidities, use same numbering and formal language in case, we someday send it to BW as proof of Dietz's incompetence, and donť repeating them. We will see, how incorrect this I'm-proud-on-it book is.


Cannon mistakes in ME: Deception

• Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible
• Quarian's names - titling kvarian Fothar vas Maynar (and others) like Maynar means, you adressed them by name of their ship, not by their own name.
• Gas suckers - quarians breathing air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is filtration of air
• Claiming that Hendel never visit Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension whole three chapters
• Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death)
• Friendship of Gillian and Nick - there was only one and last contact between them in Ascension. Nick overthrow her milk and she went mad and nearly kill him
• Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggest this in Ascension, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM pretending, he is her real father
• Gillian claiming that child in Academy tormented her  -  nothing suggesting that, in fact they only ignoring her, incident with Nick was unique
• Tantalus drive core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experiental drive core using only on Normandy, batarians can't have it
• Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her

11. The Citadel is described being star shaped - Citadel is actually like a hollow cylinder.

12. There is Batarian embassy in the Citedel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute.

13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after events of ME1.

14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.

15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng severes stabs knife in his neck and severes spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way.

16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants.

17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel is homosexual.

18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they got in the Citadel at the first without using mass effect?

19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successufully during the events of ME1
- That never happended due Prothean scientists reprogamming the Keepers
and Shepard foiling Sovereigns plan to manuallu override Citadel relay
function.

21. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.

22. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc.

23. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.

24. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the Batarian homeworld Kar'Shan - the Batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.

25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.

26. Public is allowed in the Citadel Council chamber - In ME1 only very few people have a privilegde to meet them.

Modifié par ZLurps, 28 janvier 2012 - 06:13 .

[Iohanna]

didymos1120 wrote...

So, um, there's a slight problem with Ugho being in Deception. He been dead for roughly two-and-a-half years:

The bodies of Isli, Seeto, and Ugho lay just beyond it.

Unless Ugho is the equivalent of John Doe to the Quarians.

Oh, I can smell the plot twists a-brewing!

[LPPrince]

Seeing the inconsistencies makes me want to cry.

[LPPrince]

Iohanna wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

So, um, there's a slight problem with Ugho being in Deception. He been dead for roughly two-and-a-half years:

The bodies of Isli, Seeto, and Ugho lay just beyond it.

Unless Ugho is the equivalent of John Doe to the Quarians.

Oh, I can smell the plot twists a-brewing!

Nah brah.

Ugho is Armistan Banes.

[AVPen]

didymos1120 wrote...

AVPen wrote...
21. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc)

He actually did get one right: Ysin'Mal. The other thing to note is that leaving off the clan name is OK. Drew does it in Ascension. The games do it. But not when their birth/crew names are also invoked.

That is true and a good point, but even then, Dietz screws it up by still not giving the Quarian's full name when the situation calls for it (like that Quarian addressing the Council as "Fothar Vas Maynar" - since it's a formal affair and he's invoking his ship's name as well, it should "Fothar'clan-name vas Maynar")

Modifié par AVPen, 28 janvier 2012 - 06:07 .