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#1626
ZLurps

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MissOuJ wrote...

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But there is one problem - implants aren't only in brain, they are spred through the main nerve system, I think


If I remember correctly, implant/implants is/are only in the brain, whereas amps are spred through the nerve system, but I can't remember where I read it...

Anyway, not something you'd like to get done in a hurry...


Here is something from ME Wiki:

Bio-amps
data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3D

Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Bio-amps allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large
and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent.
An implant is a surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". They are also known as 'wetware' because of their cybernetic nature. In humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.
Implant ports can fit a variety of amps, and there is a growing market for modifications and add-ons. The finest quality implants and amps are manufactured by asari artisans, but the Alliance's L3 implants - first deployed in 2170 - are a significant step forward.

Source: in-game Codex.

Modifié par ZLurps, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:28 .


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ZLurps wrote...
-snip-


Oh dear, all those errors are going to make me cry.

Modifié par Dr. rotinaj, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:31 .


#1628
LPPrince

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Nice Scrubs ref, Rotinaj. Hahaha

Don't cry. At least not without me.

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LPPrince wrote...

Nice Scrubs ref, Rotinaj. Hahaha

Don't cry. At least not without me.


I have an idea. Lets make meeting with Dietz and during his public reading of Deception we shoud drown him in our tears of frustration.

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Whoah...glad I checked this thread before my pre order from Amazon was processed. Totaly just cancelled it....I thought Retribution was bad with the whole Counsilor Udina thing....but holy hell....is there realyl THIS MANY OBVIOUS MISTAKES!? AND BIOWARE ALLOWED THIS!?!?!?!

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Compiled list:

Canon mistakes in ME: Deception
  • Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible
  • Quarian's names - titling kvarian Fothar vas Maynar (and others) like Maynar means, you adressed them by name of their ship, not by their own name.
  • Gas suckers - quarians breathing air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is filtration of air
  • Claiming that Hendel never visit Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension whole three chapters
  • Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death)
  • Friendship of Gillian and Nick - there was only one and last contact between them in Ascension. Nick overthrow her milk and she went mad and nearly kill him
  • Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggest this in Ascension, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM pretending, he is her real father
  • Gillian claiming that child in Academy tormented her  -  nothing suggesting that, in fact they only ignoring her, incident with Nick was unique
  • Tantalus drive core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experiental drive core using only on Normandy, batarians can't have it
  • Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her

11. The Citadel is described being star shaped - Citadel is actually like a hollow cylinder.

12. There is Batarian embassy in the Citedel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute.

13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after events of ME1.

14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.

15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng severes stabs knife in his neck and severes spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way.

16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants.

17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel is homosexual.

18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they got in the Citadel at the first without using mass effect?

19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successufully during the events of ME1
- That never happended due Prothean scientists reprogamming the Keepers
and Shepard foiling Sovereigns plan to manuallu override Citadel relay
function.

21. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.

22. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc.

23. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.

24. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the Batarian homeworld Kar'Shan - the Batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.

25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.

26. Public is allowed in the Citadel Council chamber - In ME1 only very few people have a privilegde to meet them.

27. Characters Gillian and Nick are 18 years old in Deception - These characters were 12 - 13 years old in previous novels set 2 years before Deception

28. Hand Weapons that fire at "relativistic speeds" - for those who doesn't know it the term relativistic speed means close or apprising the speed of light, the term is usually used about speed higher than 80% of C - considering that a sand corn fired of those speeds will have the impact of 90 kg TNT and also that a main gun on a Everest class dreadnought only fires at 1.3% of C i would say that relativistic speeds might be a bit high.

29. TIM's hideout -  in Retribution is written, that TIM is hidding on space station, which changing location after every visitor including Leng. Now TIM is on the planet and staying there after Leng's visit.

30. Gillian's visit in Afterlife - Afterlife is most popular bar on Omega and people waiting hours to get in (Retribution). Now Gillian enter it immediately and bouncer don't stop her.

31. Quarian's clothing - Quarians wear enviromentally-sealed 'enviro-suits' to protect their weakened immune systems... they do not wear "a motley collection of clothing, held together by a variety of straps and metal fasteners".

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ZLurps wrote...

Here is something from ME Wiki:

Bio-amps
data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3D

Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Bio-amps allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large
and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent.
An implant is a surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". They are also known as 'wetware' because of their cybernetic nature. In humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.
Implant ports can fit a variety of amps, and there is a growing market for modifications and add-ons. The finest quality implants and amps are manufactured by asari artisans, but the Alliance's L3 implants - first deployed in 2170 - are a significant step forward.

Source: in-game Codex.



Okay so the amps go to the interface ports and implants are spread throughout the nervous system. Thanks for the info!

Was this codex entry in ME2 as well? Or are we PS3 owners missing on the lore?

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .


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Dr. rotinaj wrote...

ZLurps wrote...
-snip-


Oh dear, all those errors are going to make me cry.


I'm not much a contributor, just summing up what Didy and other folks find but that list is going to get longer I can tell.

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kylecouch wrote...

Whoah...glad I checked this thread before my pre order from Amazon was processed. Totaly just cancelled it....I thought Retribution was bad with the whole Counsilor Udina thing....but holy hell....is there realyl THIS MANY OBVIOUS MISTAKES!? AND BIOWARE ALLOWED THIS!?!?!?!


Yes, that's it. Unleash your rage. Soon our army will be nigh unstoppable.

This means, as you know, we'll be hitting the Dietz soon. Looking forward to the action. After seeing what he did though... Makes you think...

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Iohanna wrote...


This means, as you know, we'll be hitting the Dietz soon. Looking forward to the action. After seeing what he did though... Makes you think...

Makes you think how the heck this went past the editors?

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It isn't out yet though is it? how you people know all this?

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At this point I don't think they can ignore all the inconsistencies.

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kylecouch wrote...

It isn't out yet though is it? how you people know all this?


Previews+some people received the book early.

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roflchoppaz wrote...

Iohanna wrote...


This means, as you know, we'll be hitting the Dietz soon. Looking forward to the action. After seeing what he did though... Makes you think...

Makes you think how the heck this went past the editors?


And Bioware too, since I imagine that they needed to verify it was canon and that there were no factual errors.

Usually for a novel like this the author gets to use the franchise "bible" to make sure that they don't make any mistakes. It seems like they just told him to google Mass Effect.

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It seems like the Mass Effect Bible is the Mass Effect Wikia.

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Even if you Google Mass Effect...you should come across Mass effect Wiki...which even the Devs admit they use ALOT due to his EXTREAME accuracy of canon...soooooooooooo.....wtf happend here?

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Honestly though, the wikia shouldn't be used for fact checking. Its good for cursory knowledge, but when it comes to actually WORKING on a piece of the lore, you should have some other source for your information, a more direct primary source.

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LPPrince wrote...

It seems like the Mass Effect Bible is the Mass Effect Wikia.


Too bad he couldn't be assed to type in the address.

Because that would entail so much work.

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MissOuJ wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Here is something from ME Wiki:

Bio-amps
data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3D

Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Bio-amps allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large
and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent.
An implant is a surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". They are also known as 'wetware' because of their cybernetic nature. In humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.
Implant ports can fit a variety of amps, and there is a growing market for modifications and add-ons. The finest quality implants and amps are manufactured by asari artisans, but the Alliance's L3 implants - first deployed in 2170 - are a significant step forward.

Source: in-game Codex.



Okay so the amps go to the interface ports and implants are spread throughout the nervous system. Thanks for the info!


How about this:
XX. Gillian is having a surgery to have her implants replaced by mixed set of different manufacturers parts in back yard clinic. Operation takes couple of hours(?) - In ME canon operation to replace biotic implants is considered to be very dangerous and most biotics decide not to replace their implants but rather suffer from even cripling side effects.
Biotic implants work with brain and nervous system and such operation would take much longer and it would also take a long time to recover from operation.

I would still wait if Didy is going to say jay or nay, he is the best with the lore and remembers things from games better than most of us.

I must say I also try to keep this funny and meaningful and must fight my urge to add William C. Dietz on error list with description like "Self explanatory for those who read the Deception". So I'm kinda biased.

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LPPrince wrote...

Honestly though, the wikia shouldn't be used for fact checking. Its good for cursory knowledge, but when it comes to actually WORKING on a piece of the lore, you should have some other source for your information, a more direct primary source.


True...but almost everything I've ever read from that Wiki IS correct...those admins delete anything that isn't FACTUALLY proven correct.

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LPPrince wrote...

Honestly though, the wikia shouldn't be used for fact checking. Its good for cursory knowledge, but when it comes to actually WORKING on a piece of the lore, you should have some other source for your information, a more direct primary source.


Somebody should tweet him and see if he did have something like this at his disposal. If not the blame doesn't really lie on Dietz's shoulders. They should have given him the right building blocks to write the book.

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kylecouch wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Honestly though, the wikia shouldn't be used for fact checking. Its good for cursory knowledge, but when it comes to actually WORKING on a piece of the lore, you should have some other source for your information, a more direct primary source.


True...but almost everything I've ever read from that Wiki IS correct...those admins delete anything that isn't FACTUALLY proven correct.


I've read things off the wikia God knows how many times. Hell, I added to it.

Even so, it doesn't seem he gave the wikia a glance(or at least, not comprehensively) because a lot of the wikia information contradicts the inconsistencies in the novel.

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kylecouch wrote...

It isn't out yet though is it? how you people know all this?


I bought it on Wednesday from a major retailer. In Scandinavia. I learned only yesterday the official release day was 31st. I've heard Amazon and some online retailers starting to ship the pre-orders early, but I walked into the book store and there it was, on the shelf.

Honestly, I have no idea what happened with the release, but my guess is somebody screwed up badly.

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ZLurps wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Here is something from ME Wiki:

Bio-amps
data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3D

Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Bio-amps allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large
and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent.
An implant is a surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". They are also known as 'wetware' because of their cybernetic nature. In humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.
Implant ports can fit a variety of amps, and there is a growing market for modifications and add-ons. The finest quality implants and amps are manufactured by asari artisans, but the Alliance's L3 implants - first deployed in 2170 - are a significant step forward.

Source: in-game Codex.



Okay so the amps go to the interface ports and implants are spread throughout the nervous system. Thanks for the info!


How about this:
XX. Gillian is having a surgery to have her implants replaced by mixed set of different manufacturers parts in back yard clinic. Operation takes couple of hours(?) - In ME canon operation to replace biotic implants is considered to be very dangerous and most biotics decide not to replace their implants but rather suffer from even cripling side effects.
Biotic implants work with brain and nervous system and such operation would take much longer and it would also take a long time to recover from operation.

I would still wait if Didy is going to say jay or nay, he is the best with the lore and remembers things from games better than most of us.

I must say I also try to keep this funny and meaningful and must fight my urge to add William C. Dietz on error list with description like "Self explanatory for those who read the Deception". So I'm kinda biased.



I don't mean to brag or anything....but I probably know just as much as Didy...or if the conventions are indication.... more than the lion-share of the fan base who I was screaming at in anger for totaly not knowing the answers to Biowares kindergarden level trivia questions on Pulse when they were giving stuff away.

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Thargorichiban wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Honestly though, the wikia shouldn't be used for fact checking. Its good for cursory knowledge, but when it comes to actually WORKING on a piece of the lore, you should have some other source for your information, a more direct primary source.


Somebody should tweet him and see if he did have something like this at his disposal. If not the blame doesn't really lie on Dietz's shoulders. They should have given him the right building blocks to write the book.


Someone emailed him and Dietz replied that he usually play all the games and read all previous novels in series. He also tells that two people at BioWare checked his work "line-by-line".
In the end he says that he is proud of Deception.