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[Yuoaman]

Goddamn, getting the formatting consistent in that list was far more difficult than it should have been - but if this isn't worth it then nothing is.

[mineralica]

Nashiktal wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I honesty i don't think "gas suckers" belongs on the list, It's used as a derogatory about the quarians and such statements rarely rely on logic.

However dumb it might be it is still possible to make the connection between a quarian helmet and a gas mask.

Concidering that both species breath oxygen and are by no means strangers to each others I would keep this in error list.

What? Volus breath oxygen? I thought oxygen/nitrogen mixture's were poisonous to them?

They are ammonia-based, right? Then yes, oxygen will be toxic. As added bonus, ammonia-air mixtures tend to explode easily.

[JamesFaith]

Yuoaman wrote...

Goddamn, getting the formatting consistent in that list was far more difficult than it should have been - but if this isn't worth it then nothing is.

You did a great job and I mean really great job, not Dietz so-called great job.

[didymos1120]

JamesFaith wrote...

Another huge mistake. This is part of Shella's testimony about  Liselle's murder.

"Grayson got away, but someone put a tranq dart into T'Loak's daughter, and she was laying there. Manning slit her throat." [

But Grayson was captured too, he escaped later from Cerberus space station.

Dude, what?  Manning?  Shella was a full-fledged Cerberus operative and knew exactly who Kai Leng was. "Manning" was just a name Kai Leng used to get past the guards of Grayson's neighborhood. 

[TheRevanchist]

Yes Zlurps...everything I've seen posted about this book is absolutely wrong on every level...hence my opening comment about canceling my Pre-order...It's sad this will be the first ME book I dont buy...but this book should never be considered canon...EVER...

[mineralica]

Thargorichiban wrote...

ZLurps wrote...


I know autistic people and in cases as severe as Gillian it would take a miracle, anything but it's not that in reach of modern medicine and therapia.

If they had a cure for autism in the ME universe wouldn't they have just used it in the first book? It would have made it a lot easier to train Gillian to use her biotics.

If they had a cure for autism in ME universe, then why the hell Gavin Archer didn't cure his brother?

[TheRevanchist]

If it WAS Mac and Casey....I might start reconsidering my ME3 Pre-Order too out of fear it will resemble this book.

[JamesFaith]

didymos1120 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Another huge mistake. This is part of Shella's testimony about  Liselle's murder.

"Grayson got away, but someone put a tranq dart into T'Loak's daughter, and she was laying there. Manning slit her throat." [

But Grayson was captured too, he escaped later from Cerberus space station.

Dude, what?  Manning?  Shella was a full-fledged Cerberus operative and knew exactly who Kai Leng was. "Manning" was just a name Kai Leng used to get past the guards of Grayson's neighborhood. 

Dietz made her freelancer and member of second-class street gang Grimskulls. 

[TheRevanchist]

mineralica wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

ZLurps wrote...


I know autistic people and in cases as severe as Gillian it would take a miracle, anything but it's not that in reach of modern medicine and therapia.

If they had a cure for autism in the ME universe wouldn't they have just used it in the first book? It would have made it a lot easier to train Gillian to use her biotics.

If they had a cure for autism in ME universe, then why the hell Gavin Archer didn't cure his brother?

Because that probably would cause him to lose his Savant level of mathmatic comprehension...Autism does that for a number of people...

[didymos1120]

JamesFaith wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Another huge mistake. This is part of Shella's testimony about  Liselle's murder.

"Grayson got away, but someone put a tranq dart into T'Loak's daughter, and she was laying there. Manning slit her throat." [

But Grayson was captured too, he escaped later from Cerberus space station.

Dude, what?  Manning?  Shella was a full-fledged Cerberus operative and knew exactly who Kai Leng was. "Manning" was just a name Kai Leng used to get past the guards of Grayson's neighborhood. 

Dietz made her freelancer and member of second-class street gang Grimskulls. 

That's complete nonsense.  I just ran the Manning name through Google Books, and discovered that TIM has no idea who she is, despite Kai Leng doing this in Retribution:

“Call the Illusive Man,” he said to Shella. “Tell him Grayson’s coming home.”

ETA: From what I can see, it also looks like Kai was supposedly using this as a fake ID the entire time he was hunting for Grayson.  WTF?

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:27 .

[ZLurps]

JamesFaith wrote...

Another huge mistake. This is part of Shella's testimony about  Liselle's murder.

"Grayson got away, but someone put a tranq dart into T'Loak's daughter, and she was laying there. Manning slit her throat." [

But Grayson was captured too, he escaped later from Cerberus space station.

That is # 32

One more to add:

33. Character(s?) in Deception use their biotic abilites repeatedly - In ME canon using of biotic abilies is described to be extremely straining for biotics and that biotics require rest after using their abilities.

Modifié par ZLurps, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:36 .

[LPPrince]

So we can't even keep up with the inconsistencies.

Wonderful.

[ravene]

again from the wiki this may be were he got the L1, L2, and L3 biotics.

Biotic abilities fall into three general categories:

Telekinesis, the use of mass-lowering fields to lift or hurl objects;

Kinetic Fields, mass-raising fields to immobilize objects (in combat, usually enemy projectiles or enemies themselves);

Spatial Distortion, the creation of shifting mass-effect fields which rip apart any objects caught within them.

[ZLurps]

kylecouch wrote...

mineralica wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

ZLurps wrote...


I know autistic people and in cases as severe as Gillian it would take a miracle, anything but it's not that in reach of modern medicine and therapia.

If they had a cure for autism in the ME universe wouldn't they have just used it in the first book? It would have made it a lot easier to train Gillian to use her biotics.

If they had a cure for autism in ME universe, then why the hell Gavin Archer didn't cure his brother?

Because that probably would cause him to lose his Savant level of mathmatic comprehension...Autism does that for a number of people...

Uh.. I'm not sure what is going on here anymore. Giallian who had severe autism got cured from that magically on Quarian ship in couple of years. That is not plausible even if cure for autism existed somewhere else in ME universe (even nothing implies that there is).

Edit: fixed quotes.

Modifié par ZLurps, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:35 .

[Yuoaman]

Keeping up with this guy.

Compiled list:

Canon mistakes in ME: Deception

1. Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible.

2. Quarian's names - titling kvarian Fothar vas Maynar (and others) like Maynar means, you adressed them by name of their ship, not by their own name.

3. Gas suckers - quarians breathing air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is filtration of air.

4. Claiming that Hendel never visit Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension whole three chapters.

5. Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death).

6. Friendship of Gillian and Nick - there was only one and last contact between them in Ascension. Nick overthrow her milk and she went mad and nearly kill him.

7. Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggest this in Ascension, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM pretending, he is her real father.

8. Gillian claiming that child in Academy tormented her  -  nothing suggesting that, in fact they only ignoring her, incident with Nick was unique.

9. Tantalus drive core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experiental drive core using only on Normandy, batarians can't have it.

10. Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her.

11. The Citadel is described being star shaped - Citadel is actually like a hollow cylinder.

12. There is Batarian embassy in the Citedel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute.

13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after events of ME1.

14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.

15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng severes stabs knife in his neck and severes spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way.

16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants.

17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel is homosexual.

18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they got in the Citadel at the first without using mass effect?

19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successufully during the events of ME1
- That never happended due Prothean scientists reprogamming the Keepers
and Shepard foiling Sovereigns plan to manuallu override Citadel relay
function.

21. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.

22. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc.

23. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.

24. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the Batarian homeworld Kar'Shan - the Batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.

25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.

26. Public is allowed in the Citadel Council chamber - In ME1 only very few people have a privilegde to meet them.

27. Characters Gillian and Nick are 18 years old in Deception - These characters were 12 - 13 years old in previous novels set 2 years before Deception

28. Hand Weapons that fire at "relativistic speeds" - for those who doesn't know it the term relativistic speed means close or apprising the speed of light, the term is usually used about speed higher than 80% of C - considering that a sand corn fired of those speeds will have the impact of 90 kg TNT and also that a main gun on a Everest class dreadnought only fires at 1.3% of C i would say that relativistic speeds might be a bit high.

29. TIM's hideout -  in Retribution is written, that TIM is hidding on space station, which changing location after every visitor including Leng. Now TIM is on the planet and staying there after Leng's visit.

30. Gillian's visit in Afterlife - Afterlife is most popular bar on Omega and people waiting hours to get in (Retribution). Now Gillian enter it immediately and bouncer don't stop her.

31. Quarian's clothing - Quarians wear enviromentally-sealed 'enviro-suits' to protect their weakened immune systems... they do not wear "a motley collection of clothing, held together by a variety of straps and metal fasteners".

32. No Kinetic Barriers - In the ME games, as well as previous books, all hardsuits come with Kinetic Barriers (aka shields) that must be broken before the user can be killed by ranged weaponry. In Deception, there is only mention of weapons "chewing through armor" or poor references to Biotic Barriers on characters wearing hardsuits ala Nick.

33. In Retribution, Aria uses a secret backdoor to get in and out of Afterlife without her patrons knowing, and also has a series of backrooms for private conversations. Now she drives up to the front entrance in a limo, passing by several people who would want to kill her, and takes a call from the Illusive Man in her main lounge.

34. Kai Leng's Equipment is Inadequate - In Retribution, Kai Leng used a six man commando team to take down a non-biotic Paul Grayson, and later used a state of the art survailence suite to track when Aria exited her secret entrance, which would alert him so that he could use the proper facilities when he needed to.  Now he goes alone to take on powerful biotic Gillian and uses a sniper rifle to survey the main entrance of Afterlife, and is forced to pee in a vase so as not to miss anything.

35. Aria Learns that Cerberus killed her daughter, but continues working for them in Invasion - The reason Cerberus is able to work a deal with Aria in Retribution is because they promise revenge on her daughter's killer.  In Invasion, which takes place after Deception, Aria continues to work with Cerberus and even allows them access to the Omega 4 Relay.  But before that happens, she discovers that Kai Leng was the one who killed her daughter, and vows never to work with Cerberus again.

36. Character(s?) in Deception use their biotic abilites repeatedly - In ME canon using of biotic abilies is described to be extremely straining for biotics and that biotics require rest after using their abilities.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:33 .

[string3r]

This is ridiculous.

[JoeLaTurkey]

So that's 36 confirmed mistakes...and we haven't even started on the prose yet *facepalm*

[ZLurps]

mineralica wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I honesty i don't think "gas suckers" belongs on the list, It's used as a derogatory about the quarians and such statements rarely rely on logic.

However dumb it might be it is still possible to make the connection between a quarian helmet and a gas mask.

Concidering that both species breath oxygen and are by no means strangers to each others I would keep this in error list.

What? Volus breath oxygen? I thought oxygen/nitrogen mixture's were poisonous to them?

They are ammonia-based, right? Then yes, oxygen will be toxic. As added bonus, ammonia-air mixtures tend to explode easily.

It was Batarian who called Quarians gas succers. Dietz got his Volus and Quarians mixed up and thought that Quarians are ammonia based and can't breath oxygen.

[Iohanna]

LPPrince wrote...

So we can't even keep up with the inconsistencies.

Wonderful.

To be honest, it doesn't even surprise me anymore. Make me umcorfortable, yes, but not surprised.

[LPPrince]

Iohanna wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

So we can't even keep up with the inconsistencies.

Wonderful.

To be honest, it doesn't even surprise me anymore. Make me umcorfortable, yes, but not surprised.

Its kinda ridiculous at this point.

[LPPrince]

Imagine someone reading the book, page by page, line by line, noting down every inconsistency.

Whew. My nonexistent hat tips off to them.

[LPPrince]

Whats Karpyshyn gonna do? He's not even working on the ME project anymore.

[AVPen]

Not sure if this is necessarily a "canon" error, but I'm listing it anyway:

Udina not "named" as the Human Council member - at this point in time, Udina is the official 'canon' human Council member in Mass Effect's story, but Dietz refuses to use Udina's name for the human Councilor (even though the character's personality is clearly presented as Udina's, plus there can be no other individual in this role given the events of Retribution and Mass Effect 3).

[didymos1120]

Here's another I found in the preview:

“They knew about the cameras, everyone does, and were last seen in the red ward entering a restaurant with Nick."

There is no "red ward". That's not how they're named. Also, there aren't any keepers in any of the Citadel scenes in the preview, and a search on Google Books gives me "No results found in this book for keeper."