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MissOuJ wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

* snip *


I don't actually know if she got the mixed set in the end... They were just talking about it casually, and at the same time they were talking about amps as well, and the whole thing was just terribly confusing, and they're at the clinic, and the whole thing goes down and Gillian is like "this takes foreveeer!" and zones out and the next moment the doctors's like "that's it, you're done!"

EDIT
No, I went back to read the passage properly and behold, in the page 95:

What followed was a grueling process during which the old implants were removed and new ones were installed.


So yes, she got herself new implants.


That I think could go to list:

XX. Gillian gets new biotic implants in a few hours(?) operation in a non medical facility - Biotic implants work with neurvous systems and operation to replace implants is concidered being extremely dangerous to the point that even biotics who have cripling side effects from their implants aren't usually willing to take a risk of brain damage etc. to upgrade their implants.

Modifié par ZLurps, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .


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ZLurps wrote...

It was Batarian who called Quarians gas succers. Dietz got his Volus and Quarians mixed up and thought that Quarians are ammonia based and can't breath oxygen.

This idea (quarians breathe breathe ammonia) will lead to unplausible chain of conclusions:

1) the atmosphere on quarian ship would consist of gas they use for breathing

2) quarian ships have ammonia atmospere

3) any oxygen-based life form would require own oxygen supply. This would make mission on Alarei being one big fun.

4) Idenna would require hell of an oxygen supply to maintain Gillian and Hendel for years.


So if Dietz really thought that quarians breathe not nitrogen / oxygen mixture but ammonia instead, then I feel very sorry for him.

Modifié par mineralica, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:44 .


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Whats Karpyshyn gonna do? He's not even working on the ME project anymore.


Last time I was here people wanted to know a response.

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Hello Man wrote...

It been awhile sense I back here on this thread and looks like things got even more heated. So has anyone actually tried contacting high level employees like Hudson or Walters about the situation. Or even Karpyshyn, and gotten a response? Because all Dietz is going to do is silently admit he wish he got better materials and resources and that he made some mistakes. I also blame Bioware for this situation.

Whats Ironic though is that I've seen better video game fiction from Halo. That's right Halo. I guess 343 wasn't kidding when they said they had great resources.



Actually uh....I love Halo's lore....FPS statues aside....I think their lore and canon is absolutely fantastic.

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Also, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that data is never stored on OSDs. They're always called "chips".

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mineralica wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

It was Batarian who called Quarians gas succers. Dietz got his Volus and Quarians mixed up and thought that Quarians are ammonia based and can't breath oxygen.

This idea (quarians breathe breathe ammonia) will lead to unplausible chain of conclusions:

1) the atmosphere on quarian ship would consist of gas they use for breathing

2) quarian ships have ammonia atmospere

3) any oxygen-based life form would require own oxygen supply. This would make mission on Alarei being one big fun.

4) Idenna would require hell of an oxygen supply to maintain Gillian and Hendel for years.


So if Dietz really thought that quarians breathe not nitrogen / oxygen mixture but ammonia instead, then I feel very sorry for him.


Well, it's one helluva trip and Dietz is behind the wheel!

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Hello Man wrote...

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Whats Karpyshyn gonna do? He's not even working on the ME project anymore.


Last time I was here people wanted to know a response.


Pfft, I say let him respond if he wants to on his own time. No one should pester or even ask him for an opinion.

I want to know how he feels also, mind you. I just don't think we should ask him.

Might not come off correctly.

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This is going to be a neverending list, isn't it?

Compiled list:

Canon mistakes in ME: Deception

1. Gillian's autism - now she, by her own words, grew up from it, which is impossible.

2. Quarian's names - titling kvarian Fothar vas Maynar (and others) like Maynar means, you adressed them by name of their ship, not by their own name.

3. Gas suckers - quarians breathing air, their masks only looks like gas mask, their function is filtration of air.

4. Claiming that Hendel never visit Omega before - Hendel was on Omega in Ascension whole three chapters.

5. Hendel can't know that Anderson and Kahlee are together and on the Citadel - they got together after Hendel leaving with quarians and Kahlee had no contact with them (dialog between her and Grayson in Retribution and fact, that Gillian don't know about father's death).

6. Friendship of Gillian and Nick - there was only one and last contact between them in Ascension. Nick overthrow her milk and she went mad and nearly kill him.

7. Gillian knowing about her adoption - nothing suggest this in Ascension, in fact Grayson had strict order from TIM pretending, he is her real father.

8. Gillian claiming that child in Academy tormented her  -  nothing suggesting that, in fact they only ignoring her, incident with Nick was unique.

9. Tantalus drive core on batarian ship - Tantalus core was high secret experiental drive core using only on Normandy, batarians can't have it.

10. Aria T'Loak's biotic - Aria is very strong biotic, but in Deception she need her bodyguards to put barrier on her.

11. The Citadel is described being star shaped - Citadel is actually like a hollow cylinder.

12. There is Batarian embassy in the Citedel - Batarians closed their embassy in after the Citadel Council sided with humans regarding border dispute.

13. Some characters visit Chora's Den - Chora's Den was closed after events of ME1.

14. Citadel surrounded by stars - Citadel is in the middle of nebula with only one star, Widow, visible.

15. Krogan dies when Kai Leng severes stabs knife in his neck and severes spine - Krogan biology doesn't work that way.

16. Biotics are told to have different levels in their Biotic abilities - There is no such thing, there are only different types of implants.

17. Hendel Mitra is described as heterosexual - Hendel is homosexual.

18. Deception claims Asari found The Citadel first and learned to use mass effect technology after that - How did they got in the Citadel at the first without using mass effect?

19. Deception tells that The Citadel is a Reaper trap that Reapers used successufully during the events of ME1
- That never happended due Prothean scientists reprogamming the Keepers
and Shepard foiling Sovereigns plan to manuallu override Citadel relay
function.

21. Asari are told to be asexual - In ME1 Liara describes Asari as mono-gender, all female species.

22. Quarian's names, continued - none of the quarians named in Deception have a clan-name (examples: Tali'Zorah, Han'Gerrel, Daro'Xen, Shala'Raan, etc.

23. Asari Council member saying "My God" - Asari don't believe in any form of male God, their religion is a monotheistic one based on the Goddess Athame.

24. Kai Leng visits an auction house on the Batarian homeworld Kar'Shan - the Batarian homeworld is closed off to outside races, especially humans.

25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.

26. Public is allowed in the Citadel Council chamber - In ME1 only very few people have a privilegde to meet them.

27. Characters Gillian and Nick are 18 years old in Deception - These characters were 12 - 13 years old in previous novels set 2 years before Deception

28. Hand Weapons that fire at "relativistic speeds" - for those who doesn't know it the term relativistic speed means close or apprising the speed of light, the term is usually used about speed higher than 80% of C - considering that a sand corn fired of those speeds will have the impact of 90 kg TNT and also that a main gun on a Everest class dreadnought only fires at 1.3% of C i would say that relativistic speeds might be a bit high.

29. TIM's hideout -  in Retribution is written, that TIM is hidding on space station, which changing location after every visitor including Leng. Now TIM is on the planet and staying there after Leng's visit.

30. Gillian's visit in Afterlife - Afterlife is most popular bar on Omega and people waiting hours to get in (Retribution). Now Gillian enter it immediately and bouncer don't stop her.

31. Quarian's clothing - Quarians wear enviromentally-sealed 'enviro-suits' to protect their weakened immune systems... they do not wear "a motley collection of clothing, held together by a variety of straps and metal fasteners".

32. No Kinetic Barriers - In the ME games, as well as previous books, all hardsuits come with Kinetic Barriers (aka shields) that must be broken before the user can be killed by ranged weaponry. In Deception, there is only mention of weapons "chewing through armor" or poor references to Biotic Barriers on characters wearing hardsuits ala Nick.

33. In Retribution, Aria uses a secret backdoor to get in and out of Afterlife without her patrons knowing, and also has a series of backrooms for private conversations. Now she drives up to the front entrance in a limo, passing by several people who would want to kill her, and takes a call from the Illusive Man in her main lounge.

34. Kai Leng's Equipment is Inadequate - In Retribution, Kai Leng used a six man commando team to take down a non-biotic Paul Grayson, and later used a state of the art survailence suite to track when Aria exited her secret entrance, which would alert him so that he could use the proper facilities when he needed to.  Now he goes alone to take on powerful biotic Gillian and uses a sniper rifle to survey the main entrance of Afterlife, and is forced to pee in a vase so as not to miss anything.

35. Aria Learns that Cerberus killed her daughter, but continues working for them in Invasion - The reason Cerberus is able to work a deal with Aria in Retribution is because they promise revenge on her daughter's killer.  In Invasion, which takes place after Deception, Aria continues to work with Cerberus and even allows them access to the Omega 4 Relay.  But before that happens, she discovers that Kai Leng was the one who killed her daughter, and vows never to work with Cerberus again.

36. Character(s?) in Deception use their biotic abilites repeatedly - In ME canon using of biotic abilies is described to be extremely straining for biotics and that biotics require rest after using their abilities.

37. Udina not "named" as the Human Council member - at this point in time, Udina is the official 'canon' human Council member in Mass Effect's story, but Dietz refuses to use Udina's name for the human Councilor (even though the character's personality is clearly presented as Udina's, plus there can be no other individual in this role given the events of Retribution and Mass Effect 3).

38. Gillian gets new biotic implants in a few hours(?) operation in non medical facility - Biotic implants work with neurvous systems and operation to replace implants is concidered being extremely dangerous to the point that even biotics who have cripling side effects from their implants aren't usually willing to take a risk of brain damage etc. to upgrade their implants.

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kylecouch wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

It been awhile sense I back here on this thread and looks like things got even more heated. So has anyone actually tried contacting high level employees like Hudson or Walters about the situation. Or even Karpyshyn, and gotten a response? Because all Dietz is going to do is silently admit he wish he got better materials and resources and that he made some mistakes. I also blame Bioware for this situation.

Whats Ironic though is that I've seen better video game fiction from Halo. That's right Halo. I guess 343 wasn't kidding when they said they had great resources.



Actually uh....I love Halo's lore....FPS statues aside....I think their lore and canon is absolutely fantastic.


I mentioned Halo fiction only to compare and contrast the canon and lore with Mass Effect. No matter how long they were published, its always right. Like the one of the current books Halo:Cryptum besides being fantastic, Greg Bear the author commented on how well organized it is and loved having a constant editorial team check up on him and help him with resources. Something the Mass Effect books seem to be failing at. 


So yeah lets stay on topic.

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Okay, I know I'm so late to the party, but after reading some of this thread, I just need to know the ending so I can have full comprehansion of this abomination of a travesty. Can somebody PM me with the details? Would be grateful.

Modifié par Rovay, 28 janvier 2012 - 08:51 .


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LPPrince wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Whats Karpyshyn gonna do? He's not even working on the ME project anymore.


Last time I was here people wanted to know a response.


Pfft, I say let him respond if he wants to on his own time. No one should pester or even ask him for an opinion.

I want to know how he feels also, mind you. I just don't think we should ask him.

Might not come off correctly.


I think someone wrote in this thread about sending him email regarding Deception. I'm not sure about that though.

But I think it was very low from those who checked Dietz work, how loose ends were cut in Deception.

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@Yuoaman You're better off using something like Google Docs, otherwise you'll be here all day copyin' and pastin'.

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Rovay wrote...

Okay, I know I'm so late to the party, but after reading some of this thread, I just need to know the ending so I can have full comprehansion of this abomination of a travesty. Can somebody PM me with the details? Would be grateful.


Done and done. Read at your own risk.

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MissOuJ wrote...

Done and done. Read at your own risk.


That second phrase cannot be stressed enough.

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ZLurps wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Whats Karpyshyn gonna do? He's not even working on the ME project anymore.


Last time I was here people wanted to know a response.


Pfft, I say let him respond if he wants to on his own time. No one should pester or even ask him for an opinion.

I want to know how he feels also, mind you. I just don't think we should ask him.

Might not come off correctly.


I think someone wrote in this thread about sending him email regarding Deception. I'm not sure about that though.

But I think it was very low from those who checked Dietz work, how loose ends were cut in Deception.


Really just curious because I and someone else already e-mailed Dietz.
I could E-mail him my self but I'm not that extremely picky as I'm interpreting Deception.

EDIT: Though Author on Author bashing wouldn't look good. I'm still curious about a response from Hudson and Walters as to whether they still consider it canon besides the many tidbits of errors and oddities.

Modifié par Hello Man, 28 janvier 2012 - 09:02 .


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@ MissOuJ

Thanks for contributing the implant mess. Made the list, nice to see another Finn here too *brofist*

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So...we're emailing the complete list to him once it's done? All 536 of them?

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Yeah, make a Google Document or something, cause these posts are getting annoying to look at.

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Feel free to edit as you will, and be sure to add your name to the end if you've submitted entries.

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So yeah, I just learned the ending and I think I had a stroke or a brain tumor, possibly both at the same time... Yeah, all in all, its just ****ing bad...

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Are we seriously emailing Dietz about this? It would be better to tell Casey or Mac about this. This looks like were crucifying the guy.

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Join the club.

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ZLurps wrote...

@ MissOuJ

Thanks for contributing the implant mess. Made the list, nice to see another Finn here too *brofist*


NP!  =] It was fun in a weird, painful way.

Who knows, maybe someone will learn something from this thead. Maybe. I've always been an optimist! :lol:

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I see we have some interesting contributors. /wutdahell

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Hello Man wrote...

Really just curious because I and someone else already e-mailed Dietz.
I could E-mail him my self but I'm not that extremely picky as I'm interpreting Deception.


Maybe the best thing you can do if you email Drew is to tell that you feel disappointed about Deception and that you felt it's a shame that he couldn't continue writing ME novels.

I would avoid bashing Dietz and perhaps avoid asking about how he feels about Dietz because that would probably just put him in ankward position, especially because he still works for BioWare.