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LPPrince wrote...

Or NEW things we learn that are equally as ridiculous?


Well, I think nobody has yet mentioned Aria using subsurface torpedo in Omega to take out her rival's base. Honestly, I bust out laughing when I read that. Maybe not as good as agent Leaking of the Special K Forces, but still. Spacestation + subsurface torpedo + ? = profit?
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I'm going brush my tooth for night. If I don't post anything in next ten minutes, please, call commander Shepard.

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I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of it is correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though its the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.

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Hello Man wrote...

I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of its correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though it the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.


Nobody is forced to contribute anything for ME wiki. I haven't spotted any errors my self (care to link an example btw?) but even if there are errors it's very good to have when people who have just discovered ME come to ask questions on forums etc.

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ZLurps wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

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Hello Man wrote...

I'm just throwing this out here now. What's the point to this thread then now, just to say how much this book sucks?We obviously can't change the presses now.


We can warn the innocent.


1st theory was correct.


Maybe strong negative reaction help prevent Dietz to write another ME book? And yes, there is one small clue about such intention, because at the end of Deception is one loose end specially mentioned in last dialog and is based only on Dietz character and his storyline.


There are several reasons why this thread is important.

Errors listed here can be posted to ME Wiki so people don't get all confused with the lore.

Then, sales. Stanly Woo has said in several times in other discussions that the best and practically the only way to change anything regarding ME games and other items in franchise is to vote with your wallet. More people buy Deception, more likely that we get Dietz to write another one.

Then, even Deception have it's unintentional humour value, it loses even that in the end. Those who were fans of certain characters are not going to like it for many reasons I can't put here, but this thread can also be good place to laugh at cereal killer jokes. If you paid attention to thread, someone who read the ending commented that he needed to get away from his computer for a while, he just felt that angry.


This thread did remind me to do something. I had this pre-ordered for my nook.

I found out I couldn't cancel it online so I had to call customer support.

Pre-order cancelled!

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Hello Man wrote...

I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of its correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though its the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.


Most of those 'connecting the dots' facts are simply because different sources are somewhat inconsistent, and it's them trying to reconcile them in one definition.

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25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.


That one is not too hard to believe.  They were trailer park Turians.  Those guys get abducted all the time, and no one believes them.


I'm cool with this explanation.


Blue-neck Turian: Those humans are taking our jobs!

Chorus: Dey tuk our jorbs!

Complaining Turian: They're racist too!

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ZLurps wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of its correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though it the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.


Nobody is forced to contribute anything for ME wiki. I haven't spotted any errors my self (care to link an example btw?) but even if there are errors it's very good to have when people who have just discovered ME come to ask questions on forums etc.


Well a couple days ago on the timeline it said ME3 starts on 2186, but in the leaked demo it said about 2187 to 2188. And yeah I know Walters said  2186, but I have known the developers  to tweet mistakes. Other mistakes errors or just plain filler I don't know because I'm not going to waste my time doing that.

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Walker White wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

25. Batarian pirates raid slaves from the Turian homeworld of Pavalen - yeah, a bunch of no-name pirates managed to raid supplies and slaves from the homeworld of one of the strongest and most militaristic of races in the Mass Effect universe.


That one is not too hard to believe.  They were trailer park Turians.  Those guys get abducted all the time, and no one believes them.


And if the author had read the codex, he´d know the most likely consequence to that would be the Turians flattening every Batarian settlement in the galaxy. I doubt the Council would stop them this time.

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Hello Man wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of its correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though it the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.


Nobody is forced to contribute anything for ME wiki. I haven't spotted any errors my self (care to link an example btw?) but even if there are errors it's very good to have when people who have just discovered ME come to ask questions on forums etc.


Well a couple days ago on the timeline it said ME3 starts on 2186, but in the leaked demo it said about 2187 to 2188. And yeah I know Walters said  2186, but I have known the developers  to tweet mistakes. Other mistakes errors or just plain filler I don't know because I'm not going to waste my time doing that.


One of the Wiki's policies is to not add information until it is officially unveiled. Leaks are not allowed to be used as references.

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Yuoaman wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Hello Man wrote...

I actually have a bone against the ME wiki. I would say throwing a number out here 90% of its correct, concrete accurate. But some of it is people merely connecting the dots and saying ok that makes sense. Even though it the unofficial ME Encyclopedia out there it really has no endorsement from Bioware.

Yeah they have admitted they gotten some information from it but, how much is just speculation.


Nobody is forced to contribute anything for ME wiki. I haven't spotted any errors my self (care to link an example btw?) but even if there are errors it's very good to have when people who have just discovered ME come to ask questions on forums etc.


Well a couple days ago on the timeline it said ME3 starts on 2186, but in the leaked demo it said about 2187 to 2188. And yeah I know Walters said  2186, but I have known the developers  to tweet mistakes. Other mistakes errors or just plain filler I don't know because I'm not going to waste my time doing that.


One of the Wiki's policies is to not add information until it is officially unveiled. Leaks are not allowed to be used as references.


Oh its defiantly is a fascinating piece of collective information everyone has gathered and entered. Its the best thing we have so far until a official Encyclopedia. And Yeah I do realizing of not putting things that aren't officially out yet.

Sorry but this is my last post till next time. ;)

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"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my LEAST favorite book on the Citadel."

EDIT: How many mistakes MAXIMUM could possibly be in this book? I mean, good gracious!

Modifié par Galactic Runner, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:23 .


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Oh boy.

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Catt128 wrote...

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Oh boy.


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didymos1120 wrote...

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The really awful part is that I don't think that whole relay-travel-as-sex-metaphor was unintentional.


Where's the quote for that section?


I dug it out of Google a ways back in the thread. Here's a repost:

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, and here's the rest of the mass relay scene, which provides some much needed context on an earlier discovery:

Slowly at first, and then with increasing speed, the rings began to spin as the ship closed in. Then, once the Pictor was about five hundred kilometers away, the relay fired and the freighter was consumed by a vortex of dark energy. It shimmered and disappeared.

But because Anderson was busy making love to Kahlee he missed the transition from one state to another.


I can only presume he was making love to Kahlee slowly at first, and then with increasing speed, and then his relay fired and....



That's not seriously a direct quote from the book?

If so....wow. That is beyond ****ing stupid.

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It most certainly is. I found that one a few days ago. Nick has a dream about "making love" as well.

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Catt, that was Joe's btw. Respect where respect is due.

And Hello Man, I'm sorry but it is pretty damn likely that ME3 takes place in 2186. 30 years after x is a rough estimation, they aren't going to say 29 years; its just rounding. ME2 takes place in 2185, then six months later we have Arrival, then a few months after that we have ME3. Simple.

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You guys are being too hard on Dietz. Yes, the book.... sucks (And I'm basing this on the crazy amount of errors, I haven't read it myself yet). But he's a freelancer. Drew was one of the lead writers on the games, and one of the main people in the creation of the universe. Of course he knew the universe better than Dietz.

The book has been approved by Bioware. While it's unclear how much Dietz really cared about this book, the majority of these mistakes should have been corrected by the people at Bioware. They may be busy working on ME3, but if you don't have time to proof read a novel, don't release a novel! I'm actually way more disappointed in Bioware, that I'm angry at Dietz. Yes, many of the mistakes could have been avoided if Dietz had spent 5 minutes looking stuff up on the ME wiki, but the same thing could be said about Bioware.

I don't care if it was Casey Hudson himself, or one of his employees, who read the final draft of the book. The person missed tons of stuff, that could easily have been corrected. Instead they chose to release the book anyway, without fixing anything, to make a few extra bucks off the loyal fans who actually cares enough about the universe, to go out and buy this book. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call: Treating your fans like total ****.

That's it.

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It seems like the blame can easily be shared. Dietz for being a lazy hack, and whoever approved the book for being either lazy or incompetent.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:54 .


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MasterEcabob wrote...

Catt, that was Joe's btw. Respect where respect is due.

 


Did I claim ownership of some sort? I just saw it on tumblr, thought it was funny, wanted to share. :mellow:

Modifié par Catt128, 28 janvier 2012 - 10:56 .


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You guys are being too hard on Dietz. Yes, the book.... sucks (And I'm basing this on the crazy amount of errors, I haven't read it myself yet). But he's a freelancer. Drew was one of the lead writers on the games, and one of the main people in the creation of the universe. Of course he knew the universe better than Dietz.

The book has been approved by Bioware. While it's unclear how much Dietz really cared about this book, the majority of these mistakes should have been corrected by the people at Bioware. They may be busy working on ME3, but if you don't have time to proof read a novel, don't release a novel! I'm actually way more disappointed in Bioware, that I'm angry at Dietz. Yes, many of the mistakes could have been avoided if Dietz had spent 5 minutes looking stuff up on the ME wiki, but the same thing could be said about Bioware.

I don't care if it was Casey Hudson himself, or one of his employees, who read the final draft of the book. The person missed tons of stuff, that could easily have been corrected. Instead they chose to release the book anyway, without fixing anything, to make a few extra bucks off the loyal fans who actually cares enough about the universe, to go out and buy this book. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call: Treating your fans like total ****.

That's it.


Agreed. Bioware dropped the ball on this one.

Dietz is still a lousy writer...

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Take a long-time sci-fi tie-in writer like Alan Dean Foster. I've never read one of Star Trek books and felt like he didn't know what a warp drive was. And I've never seen one of his Star Wars book where lightsabers were not correctly used. Dietz has a responsibility to get to know the subject matter. It's not purely a case of bad editing. He wrote the darn thing.

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Salarian curry huh?

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izmirtheastarach wrote...

Take a long-time sci-fi tie-in writer like Alan Dean Foster. I've never read one of star trek books and felt like e didn't know what a warp drive was. And I've never seem a star wars book where Lightsaber were not correctly used. Dietz has a responsibility to get to know the subject matter. It's not purely a case of bad editing. He wrote the thing.

I'm not defending him, or claiming that the book is a misunderstood masterpiece. I'm just saying that a lot of errors could have been avoided, if Bioware had put a little more effort into proof reading the thing.

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I'm not defending him, or claiming that the book is a misunderstood masterpiece. I'm just saying that a lot of errors could have been avoided, if Bioware had put a little more effort into proof reading the thing.


Yeah, I guess I can't argue with that. It's pretty frustrating, especially with those tweets form Casy Hudson that were dug up this morning.